Re: (rshsdepot) Jim Guthrie's comments

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

rshsdepot
Interline tickets-here is a stupid question....(since mention is made of H&M
via PRR interline to San Antonio)-could you get an interline ticket to
anywhere at lets say GCT, even if you wanted to eventually go via a direct
competitor?  This doesn't apply to H&M, but maybe it does after PRR was at
33rd St. (For instance, the Nickel Plate had an arrangement with which
eastern line to NY? Would that line had given interline tickets for
continuance from Buffalo to Chicago on the Erie or NYC if asked to do so?)

I was thinking maybe one of  these interline tickets for NY&N was pictured
in the book, but I have somehow misplaced it--I will look later after the
blizzard buries us-I must go look through all the NY Times for Sept through
November 1902 now... (a project on football around NY way back then, but I
see RR stuff constantly-the PRR in 1905 was denying any interest in buying
the IRT for instance)

Paul

Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: Seth Bramson <sbramson_@_bellsouth.net>
To: James R. Guthrie <jguthrie_@_pipeline.com>
Cc: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net <rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net>
Date: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Jim Guthrie's comments


>rshsdepot
>Not to belabor, this,. and I am certainly grateful to Jim for the info,
>BUT:  think about it!
>Again, it was possible to buy through tickets at the ticket office at
>Hudson Terminal, but I assure and guarantee you that you could not walk up
>to a H&M ticket booth and buy an interline ticket to say, San Antonio.
>They did not have the ticket stock, and such tickets would have had to
>have been purchased either at a PRR (or NYC) ticket office or one of the
>roads from the southwest that maintained a NY City ticket office.
>
>As far as discontinuances, tariffs and the like being available in law
>libraries.  NO!  They might be available in a place like the Newberry in
>Chicago, but law libraries purge all old material quickly, as it is
>important that they have only current material on hand.  Also, try to find

>any of the old ICC dockets.  Even when they were in the ICC Building in DC
>it was near impossible!
>
>One last item, Jim:  please explain your comment re a through Jersey
>City-Flatbush Avenue train.  Did they car ferry the passenger cars
>across?  They certainly could not have used the Hudson Tubes, so how was
>this done?
>
>"James R. Guthrie" wrote:
>
>>
>> > As far as the H&M is concerned. It was a railroad and under the ICC,
>> The H&M is also listed in the 1910 guide. But if one wishes to confirm
>> how tickets were sold, the most easily accessible would be the ICC
>> reports found in any decent law or university library. You might also
>> consult especially the discontinuance dockets on the PRR Ferry and the
>> abandonment of servie to Exchange Place.
>> . I'm not clear on Hudson
>> Terminal, because the PA had taken over by then. But I'm told that
>> such tickets were good for entrance in an arrangement in effect
>> between the time of the end of ferry service and the PA takeover.
>>
>> When both the PRR and LIRR had ferry service, these through tickets
>> were good via the Els/Ferries.  There was some sort of special
>> arrangement with the IRT on tickets to Brooklyn after the Annex ferry
>> (and short lived Jersey-City-Flatbush Avenue train) was discontinued
>> as well. One could use the LIRR ticket to enter the El at 34th St and
>> the river.
>> The H&M "The Hudson Rapid Tubes" was always in the guide until the PA
>> took over, and noted "interline arrangements." It was always a
>> full-blown, interline tarriff railroad until then -- which still
>> haunts it operationally today.
>>
>> Quiz for ticket mavens:
>>
>> Name the off-(H&M) line station to which all Newark tickets were
>> valid -- although trying to exercize that right might result in an
>> altercation with a conductor/collector.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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