Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL

["Michael Connor" <mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com>]

The River Line most definitely included in Conrail and was subject to one of 
the first pre-NERSA Conrail abandonments, coincidentally when the P&LE was 
investigating the purchase of much of the former EL.

The north end of the B&SW was operated as a Light Density Line (ownership 
remained with the EL Estate with CR operating as a contractor for New York 
State.  When the Erie County IDA bought the line they contracted initially 
with the NY&LE and later with the Buffalo Southern to operate the line.

I will have to check my notes as to the the chain of disposition of the 
south end of the B&SW.


>From: "David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>
>Reply-To: "David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>
>To: "Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>
>CC: "ELHS Mailing List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:14:34 -0500
>
>Brian:
>
>I was going to say not true about the B&SW but now I am not sure.  I do 
>know
>most of it was at least OPERATED by Conrail.  At some point, and I am not
>sure what year, Erie County IDA took ownership of the line north of Gowanda
>and the Cattaraugus-Chautauqua County IDA took over the south end.  Conrail
>operated the south end as far north as South Dayton, into the mid-1980s.
>
>I remember watching and chasing CR-stenciled EL Geeps on a
>several-trips-per-week local from Buffalo to Gowanda in the late 1970s.  I
>also remember watching a PC Alco RSD-something switching the glue factory 
>in
>Gowanda when they dismantled the giant gantry crane there.  This would have
>been the same time period.
>
>- Dave Green, ELHS #1366
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>
>To: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>; <gelwood@dnaco.net>
>Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:56 PM
>Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
>
>
> > Well in may not be notable to many but the entire B&SW and the Riverline
> > were not included in CR.
> >
> > Brian.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>
> > To: <gelwood_@_dnaco.net>
> > Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >The EL was in the processes of shutdowning service to various users 
>on
> > the
> > > >Cleveland branch while I was working there.
> > >
> > > Just curious why this was.  Were they not profitable shippers?  
>Wouldn't
> > > make sense if it was a money making opportunity.  i.e. profitable.
> > >
> > > >I know CR really didn't like
> > > >to service food warehouses and did whatever was necessary to have the
> > > >company terminate service.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on why this was?  I can't imagine why any company would turn
> > away
> > > business, unless it was not profitable undertaking.
> > >
> > > >The Cleveland line was duplicated by the PRR/PC line. The ore 
>business
> > was
> > > >going away as the mills in Youngstown shutdown.
> > >
> > > I agree here.  Plus the Cleveland line was single tracked as of 1966 
>as
> > you
> > > well know, as opposed to the PRR/PC line.
> > >
> > > >Nobody wanted the mainline west of Sterling. The B&O considered the
>line
> > > >to Sterling and then moved over to the B&O.
> > > >
> > > >The Dayton branch had little traffic and what was run down the line
>could
> > > >be easily handled by near parallel PC lines.
> > > >
> > > >CR had a lot of capacity on the NYC and PRR lines from Chicago so
>moving
> > > >what little traffic that existed on the EL wasn't a major issue. As I
> > > >remember, UPS was real happy with CR handling of their trailers. They
> > were
> > > >inserted into the normal TV trains and got to NYC when they got 
>there.
> > >
> > > makes sense.  Did CR dispose/abandon any other notable EL trackage in
>the
> > > early days?
> > >
> > > Mike Riley
> > >
> > >
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