Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL

["Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>]

Sorry, from my memory I didn't think either were ever operated by CR. I only
remember N&LE and then later after some legal issues Buffalo Southern and
NY&LE on the B&SW.

Brian
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Connor" <mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com>
To: <davandli_@_empacc.net>; <brian@net.bluemoon.net>
Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL


> The River Line most definitely included in Conrail and was subject to one
of
> the first pre-NERSA Conrail abandonments, coincidentally when the P&LE was
> investigating the purchase of much of the former EL.
>
> The north end of the B&SW was operated as a Light Density Line (ownership
> remained with the EL Estate with CR operating as a contractor for New York
> State.  When the Erie County IDA bought the line they contracted initially
> with the NY&LE and later with the Buffalo Southern to operate the line.
>
> I will have to check my notes as to the the chain of disposition of the
> south end of the B&SW.
>
>
> >From: "David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>
> >Reply-To: "David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>
> >To: "Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> >CC: "ELHS Mailing List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> >Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
> >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:14:34 -0500
> >
> >Brian:
> >
> >I was going to say not true about the B&SW but now I am not sure.  I do
> >know
> >most of it was at least OPERATED by Conrail.  At some point, and I am not
> >sure what year, Erie County IDA took ownership of the line north of
Gowanda
> >and the Cattaraugus-Chautauqua County IDA took over the south end.
Conrail
> >operated the south end as far north as South Dayton, into the mid-1980s.
> >
> >I remember watching and chasing CR-stenciled EL Geeps on a
> >several-trips-per-week local from Buffalo to Gowanda in the late 1970s.
I
> >also remember watching a PC Alco RSD-something switching the glue factory
> >in
> >Gowanda when they dismantled the giant gantry crane there.  This would
have
> >been the same time period.
> >
> >- Dave Green, ELHS #1366
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>
> >To: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>; <gelwood@dnaco.net>
> >Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
> >
> >
> > > Well in may not be notable to many but the entire B&SW and the
Riverline
> > > were not included in CR.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>
> > > To: <gelwood_@_dnaco.net>
> > > Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The EL was in the processes of shutdowning service to various users
> >on
> > > the
> > > > >Cleveland branch while I was working there.
> > > >
> > > > Just curious why this was.  Were they not profitable shippers?
> >Wouldn't
> > > > make sense if it was a money making opportunity.  i.e. profitable.
> > > >
> > > > >I know CR really didn't like
> > > > >to service food warehouses and did whatever was necessary to have
the
> > > > >company terminate service.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas on why this was?  I can't imagine why any company would
turn
> > > away
> > > > business, unless it was not profitable undertaking.
> > > >
> > > > >The Cleveland line was duplicated by the PRR/PC line. The ore
> >business
> > > was
> > > > >going away as the mills in Youngstown shutdown.
> > > >
> > > > I agree here.  Plus the Cleveland line was single tracked as of 1966
> >as
> > > you
> > > > well know, as opposed to the PRR/PC line.
> > > >
> > > > >Nobody wanted the mainline west of Sterling. The B&O considered the
> >line
> > > > >to Sterling and then moved over to the B&O.
> > > > >
> > > > >The Dayton branch had little traffic and what was run down the line
> >could
> > > > >be easily handled by near parallel PC lines.
> > > > >
> > > > >CR had a lot of capacity on the NYC and PRR lines from Chicago so
> >moving
> > > > >what little traffic that existed on the EL wasn't a major issue. As
I
> > > > >remember, UPS was real happy with CR handling of their trailers.
They
> > > were
> > > > >inserted into the normal TV trains and got to NYC when they got
> >there.
> > > >
> > > > makes sense.  Did CR dispose/abandon any other notable EL trackage
in
> >the
> > > > early days?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Riley
> > > >
> > > >
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