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Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
Brian:
I was going to say not true about the B&SW but now I am not sure. I do know
most of it was at least OPERATED by Conrail. At some point, and I am not
sure what year, Erie County IDA took ownership of the line north of Gowanda
and the Cattaraugus-Chautauqua County IDA took over the south end. Conrail
operated the south end as far north as South Dayton, into the mid-1980s.
I remember watching and chasing CR-stenciled EL Geeps on a
several-trips-per-week local from Buffalo to Gowanda in the late 1970s. I
also remember watching a PC Alco RSD-something switching the glue factory in
Gowanda when they dismantled the giant gantry crane there. This would have
been the same time period.
- - Dave Green, ELHS #1366
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian_@_net.bluemoon.net>
To: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>; <gelwood@dnaco.net>
Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
> Well in may not be notable to many but the entire B&SW and the Riverline
> were not included in CR.
>
> Brian.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>
> To: <gelwood_@_dnaco.net>
> Cc: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: (erielack) the fate of the EL
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >The EL was in the processes of shutdowning service to various users on
> the
> > >Cleveland branch while I was working there.
> >
> > Just curious why this was. Were they not profitable shippers? Wouldn't
> > make sense if it was a money making opportunity. i.e. profitable.
> >
> > >I know CR really didn't like
> > >to service food warehouses and did whatever was necessary to have the
> > >company terminate service.
> >
> > Any ideas on why this was? I can't imagine why any company would turn
> away
> > business, unless it was not profitable undertaking.
> >
> > >The Cleveland line was duplicated by the PRR/PC line. The ore business
> was
> > >going away as the mills in Youngstown shutdown.
> >
> > I agree here. Plus the Cleveland line was single tracked as of 1966 as
> you
> > well know, as opposed to the PRR/PC line.
> >
> > >Nobody wanted the mainline west of Sterling. The B&O considered the
line
> > >to Sterling and then moved over to the B&O.
> > >
> > >The Dayton branch had little traffic and what was run down the line
could
> > >be easily handled by near parallel PC lines.
> > >
> > >CR had a lot of capacity on the NYC and PRR lines from Chicago so
moving
> > >what little traffic that existed on the EL wasn't a major issue. As I
> > >remember, UPS was real happy with CR handling of their trailers. They
> were
> > >inserted into the normal TV trains and got to NYC when they got there.
> >
> > makes sense. Did CR dispose/abandon any other notable EL trackage in
the
> > early days?
> >
> > Mike Riley
> >
> >
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