Re: (rshsdepot) NYC 30th Street Station . . .

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

rshsdepot
I was just wondering. It might seem that not only when the El went up, but
after Penn Station opened that, ok, maybe just a few people would have used
it  for continuing travel in a good way...Are you saying that 30th Street
Station (and this would apply to the old terminal at Hudson/St. John where
the early engraving distinctly show steam trains pulling coaches with
passengers in and out of it) station was utterly minimal after the very
first Grand Central went up in 1878 (date?), , or after the merger and this
would apply to the station at Madison Square (I won't say Park Row!!)
as well??????

A 1880's timetable for trains to 30th (& Hudson terminal?) would show what?
What date was it that only a change at Spuyten Duyvel (Devil's Gate) would
get you to 30th? And when did that become a rare event or similar to going
to LIC on the LIRR after Penn Station opened up?

Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: James R. Guthrie <jguthrie_@_pipeline.com>
To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net <rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) NYC 30th Street Station . . .


>rshsdepot
>Paul asked:
>
>> Yes but I mean more  back in mid-1880's when the new El Station next
>to the
>> NYC 30th Street station was a big deal..maybe the NYC used it more
>after
>> that in the 80s and 90s for commuters to Wall Street area, etc...???
>>
>The NYC&HR local passenger service was pretty much a connection at
>Spuyten Duyvil arrangement from the opening of the original Grand
>Central from the timetables I've seen. The opening of the El reduced
>traffic considerably; the opening of the IRT finished off most
>ridership; the trolley and El, Trolley/IRT was quite a bit cheaper. A
>Nickel could get you all the way downtown from 125th St (especially on
>the IRT) -- without the change at 30th, for example.
>
>Cheers,
>Jim
>

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