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Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959

Walt,
I have an EMD 567 booklet which was given to me as an engineer 
supervisor.  Let me look for it and give you the exact reference.

EMD also made a switcher (not sure of the model) which had an automatic 
coolant drain if the outdoor temperature dropped below freezing.  I've 
heard stories of engine crews propping the drain valve shut as water was 
added and the engine fired up.


Ken

On 11/30/2010 12:08 AM, walter smith wrote:
> Ken.....where was this??? Most of the time on the EL, the engine was running
> when I got it. It just goes to show u how u can get by for 20 years and miss
> some very basic things.........
>
> Walt Smith
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ken Bush<kennethbush_@_fastmail.fm>
> To: EL Mail List<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 11:13:03 PM
> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>
>
> EMD manuals recommend blowing out the cylinders before starting.
> Whenteaching engine crews on starting procedures, we always instructed
> that the valves for each cylinder be opened and the engine rotated at
> least three times, or until no moisture could be seen escaping from the
> cylinders.  This was standard procedure regardless of temperature and
> regardless of how many hours ago the engine was shut down.
>
>
> Ken B.
>
> On 11/29/2010 10:33 AM, walter smith wrote:
>>       As another little contribution........When EMD engines have sat around
> for
>> a while, they have a bad tendency to leak coolant into the cylinders. On the
>> EL,
>> this wasn't a problem since the Company policy was to let them idle on
> layovers
>> like Syracuse enginehouse. At Amtrak, they had a former DL&W RFE (Mike Wikman)
>> who taught me among other things about this bad habit. He took a whole class
>> out
>> to the shop in Chicago and made us bar the engine over on an F-40 over prior
> to
>> startiing it. I was astounded at the amount of water that came out of some of
>> the cylinders. Water does NOT compress and the LEAST damage could be to
>> crack/destroy a piston. Worst case would be to blow the head or gasket. It'd
> be
>> interesting to see how long this unit sat&   if any anti-freeze treatment was
>> put
>> in. When u had knowledgable shopmen caring for the power, it was OK, but who
>> knows what kind of care was given at this company.
>>       Another caveat........the old Auto-Train had an Alco S-2 off the SCL that
>> we used in Sanford for a year or so. The VP-Transportation decided to send it
>> to
>> Lorton, Va. terminal. Only problem, no engineers up there&   I guess nobody
>> thinkking about how it freezes up north. Result - a cracked engine block when
>> they shut it down overnight and the temperature took a steep drop. It was
> never
>> repaired - too costly.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Walt Smith
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: toddsyr<toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
>> To: EL Mail List<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>
>> "Seriously, I'll chip in at least another C-note, so we're at $400 in about
>> an hour...'
>>
>> I'll double my initial offer as well. Put me down for $200. Another 50-100
>> per month that we may be allowed to raise funds also.
>>
>> Todd K. Stearns
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob Piecuch"<lmprjp88_@_yahoo.com>
>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>
>>
>>> "Friends of DL&W 959/EL 1278" sounds good to me, list, any other
>>> suggestions? Speak soon or forever hold your peace!
>>>
>>> Seriously, I'll chip in at least another C-note, so we're at $400 in about
>>> an hour, and I know some other folks that will chip in as well....
>>>
>>> The WNYRHS location idea is a good one and has been noted. Perhaps a
>>> rotating location arrangement could be considered as well, we'll see...
>>>
>>> I should state early on, I will NOT be surprised that when we contact the
>>> owners they may say:
>>>
>>> 1. It's NOT for sale, or
>>> 2. We want a lotta money for it...
>>>
>>> But we'll see.....as the old saying goes, nothing ventured, nothing
>>> gained. Also, if anyone has pictures of 969/1278/5460 that can be used for
>>> promotional purposes let me know.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned!
>>>
>>> Rob P
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/28/10, toddsyr<toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: toddsyr<toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 6:31 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Great Rob. Let's go with Henry's "Friends of DL&W 959/EL 1278". It's what
>>> I
>>> had in mind anyways and gives the project more identity. I did a brief
>>> Google search for contact info on the current owner, but had no luck.
>>> Maybe
>>> try information? So far I've heard of at least $300 pledged towards this
>>> effort so far, including my own promise. That's not too bad for a couple
>>> of
>>> hours!
>>>
>>>
>>> Todd K. Stearns
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rob Piecuch"<lmprjp88_@_yahoo.com>
>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sounds good to me Todd, I'll even design the logo etc. if we get this
>>>> going.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see what we can all find for an address for its owners. I'll start
>>>> searching this week....
>>>>
>>>> Rob P
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sun, 11/28/10, toddsyr<toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: toddsyr<toddsyr_@_twcny.rr.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 4:59 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about "Friends of 959/1278" so as not to alienate people from one
>>>> camp
>>>> or another? IF this becomes a reality, let all people who contribute X
>>>> amount of dollars get one vote as to what paint scheme it should wear.
>>>>
>>>> Lead the way Rob, I'm in.
>>>>
>>>> Todd K. Stearns
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Rob Piecuch"<lmprjp88_@_yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If we can determine the availability of 959/1278 we can proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can, how does "Friends of EL 1278" or "Friends of the EL GP7"
>>>>> sound?
>>>>>
>>>>> Objective: Save the last surviving DL&W GP7 for preservation and reuse.
>>>>> Owning orgainzation: TBD
>>>>> Display/operating site: List possibilities - Scranton, Elmira, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for starters.... so who's in?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Piecuch
>>>>> Chemung Valley RHS
>>>>> ELmira, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/28/10, tonyhorn1_@_comcast.net<tonyhorn1@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: tonyhorn1_@_comcast.net<tonyhorn1@comcast.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 4:04 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would agree with Paul. It would be a great way to involve both "sides"
>>>>> of the merger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: paultup_@_comcast.net
>>>>> To: "EL Mail List"<erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:08:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: (erielack) An EL Geep, was: DL&W 959
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> DL&W 959 would sure look great in Scranton or many other locations along
>>>>>> the former DL&W. I'm pretty sure this
>>>>>> is the last surviving Lackawanna road unit in existence, so it's
>>>>>> preservation should be a top priorty for us DL&W
>>>>>> fans and preservationists. A new coat of black paint and some yellow
>>>>>> trip
>>>>>> &   lettering and it's good as new!
>>>>> OK, since no one else has stated this, I'll provide my own personal
>>>>> gripe:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY NOT RESTORE THIS AS EL 1278? There are several Erie and DL&W
>>>>> operable
>>>>> (or near operable) units (or "pseudo-units") restored out there today -
>>>>> the Lackawanna F-units in Scranton, Erie SW9 #436, Erie E8 #833... but
>>>>> no
>>>>> operable restored-to-EL units anywhere today (no, I don't consider North
>>>>> Shore's pretty switchers as "EL" :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on this? Frankly, I think a GMY Geep will surely garner
>>>>> more
>>>>> attention than an admittedly "plain" black DL&W-scheme Geep (note all
>>>>> the
>>>>> attention praised upon the restored F3s)....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I know in EL years that the former DL&W freight GP7s called the S&U
>>>>> branches "home", was this also the case for them in Lackawanna years?
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