Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

["Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com>]

Really? I have not read much directly about this. But the pocket historical guide to railroads said NH & PRR jointly built the hells gate bridge <for a lot of money> so they could directly interchange. So even though I could never find the stupid thing on a map I Assumed it went from somewhere on the north end of new york city into new jersey over the hudson. Obviously I was mistaken. If carfloats/ferries still had to be involved what was the point of this bridge?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: R CHAPIN<mailto:rwc27q_@_verizon.net> 
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  Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange


  Brad et al.

  You could access the Hell Gate Bridge by a) floating cars to the LIRR at 
  Long Island City or b) floating the cars to the LIRR/NH at Bay Ridge.

  The only "land" line connection is via the PRR tunnel under the Hudson, thru 
  Penn Station and then thru the East River tunnel into Sunnyside Yard. A 
  passenger only route, no freight.

  Rich
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com<mailto:llyengalyn@hotmail.com>>
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:24 PM
  Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange


  > Ok well then this begs the question. If there was a physical connection to 
  > the LI and NH at Hells gate bridge, why was anything floated at all? It 
  > just seems dumb, if you have a land line way to get there everything 
  > should use it.
  >  > Are you sure about this? Everything I've read indicates that NYNH&H
  >  > interchange at Bay Ridge was not limited to PRR. For example, this is 
  > an
  >
  >  Nelligan is incorrect. I don't think you'll even find tariffs that would
  >  allow sucgh a move, even if a shpper attempted to route that way.
  >
  >  As I wrote earlier, this was always the despair of regional planners,
  >  because even most NH-LIRR freight went from Port Morris to LIC via float;
  >  some NH-NYC traffic even went 60th St to Port Morris with a track 
  > connection
  >  in the Bronx.
  >
  >  Now I've been at this business long enough to know that someone can cite 
  > an
  >  exception -- but this was simply not an interchange gateway, Even the PRR
  >  floated LIRR traffic from Greenville to LIC. The LIRR did no interchange 
  > for
  >  its own account at Bay Ridge.
  >
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