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RE: (erielack) Boonton Line freight trains-analysis
- Subject: RE: (erielack) Boonton Line freight trains-analysis
- From: Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com
- Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:18:56 -0400
Rich,
Thank you. Very interesting. I take it that the presence of the passing
siding on the north side side of the main at Greendell, with the freight
siding (where Jerry's car was set out) on the south side of the main, made
it feasible to deliver cars there. Given this, could any of the trains
have been able to deliver a car at Johnsonburg (assuming the siding was
still intact), or was Greendell the only realistic place, from an
operational perspective, that the car could be delivered on the Cut-Off?
Second point - wasn't there a passing siding just east of Slateford on the
Cut-Off? If so, what role did that play on the single-track railroad
between Bell's Bridge and Lincoln Park? (I might be confused about that.)
Chuck
Richard Pennisi
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s.elhts.org "Tupaczewski, Paul R \(Paul\)" <paultup_@_lucent.com>
Subject:
RE: (erielack) Boonton Line freight trains-analysis
10/03/2005 03:34 PM
Please respond to
Richard Pennisi
Chuck,
No, the Dover Drill never went to Greendell. It was not advertised to do
any work on the cut-off. SC8/PN98 or CS9 did any local work at Greendell.
That is why there was a fight with EL and Conrail management to get cars
placed at Jerry's. Eastbound it was an easy setout. Westbound CS9 had to
runaround the car(s) to add it to their train. The only other option was
to have an Eastbound pick up the car and take it back to Port Morris to be
switched back out again.
The Dover Drill was advertised to Morrisotwn (only if necessary which I
don't beleive ever happened) Denville (so it could get cars off CS-9 when
it did set out at Denville) East Dover to Port Morris. When the Sussex
Branch was still up and running, it went to Branchville two days a week.
After the branch as torn up, the Dover drill just local work at Netcong ie
the lumber company and the outfit down in the hole opposite the freight
house.
Rich
Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com wrote:
Dear Rich,
I presume that the Dover Drill took care of business west of Dover?
Obscure question (which I may have asked in the past): what train took care
of shipments to Greendell? In speaking to Jerry Crues (owner of the
Johnsonburg General Store) years ago, he told me that he tried to get
shipments into Johnsonburg, but that Conrail (maybe EL before also?)
refused. As a result, he would receive an occasional shipment, usually
farm supplies I believe, but don't quote me, and these would be set off on
the siding at Greendell. I'm curious, would the Dover Drill have taken
care of Greendell?
Chuck
Richard Pennisi
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s.elhts.org RE: (erielack) Boonton Line freight trains-analysis
10/03/2005 01:35 PM
Please respond to
Richard Pennisi
Paul, & list
Here goes;
About 0730 the Totowa Roustabout would leave CX, worked from Little Falls
to the spur, usually back to CX about 1830. Sometimes it was necessary to
relieve the crew as there was just too much work (about 21 customers on the
spur alone) This job also did Mueller Brass in Little Falls and Drakes
Cakes in Mt. View. There was swapping of Little Falls and Mt. View work
between the Roustabout and Greenwood Lake haul. It depended on how the
jobs were bulletined at what time frame and who was the trainmaster for the
area.
About 0800 the Greenwood Lake Haul/Silver Lake. If my memory is correct
these jobs were combined near the end of the EL. Did work on Orange Branch
(what was left) along the main to Little Falls and Mt. View as necessary.
When the Caldwell Branch was open this job went up there as necesaary and
that really wasn't much before the washouts that took the branch out of
service.
About 0900 the Horn Train,(?) the Newark Branch job went out to Seaboard,
Newark and was advertised to Nutley but rarely made it that far. They were
usually back in to CX early about 1500 or earlier.
The 1st Boonton Drill went on duty in Dover about 1100 hrs. went to
Boonton and back to Dover by 1800 hours usually.
The 2nd Boonton Drill went on duty at 0200 hours in Dover and went to
Boonton and was uasually back to Dover by between 0930 and 1100 hours.
Both Boonton Drills were advertised to Croxton to take water loads (sludge)
from Drew and dump it in Penn Horn Creek in Croxton (if the EPA only knew)
and bring back the empties to Drew. Although advertised as such, trips to
Croxton were rare. This usually only occurred when CS-9 SC-8 (or PN-98
depending on the year) were running late and cars were getting out of cycle
for Drew.
I'm sure someone will dispute what I sent here, but you are talking about
almost 30 years ago....
Rich
"Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)"
wrote:
So here's the question of the week - what trains ran over the Boonton Line
in those years (including locals), and what times (approximately) did they
depart/arrive CX?
:)
- - Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pennisi [mailto:eldispatcher72_@_yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:55 PM
To: Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul); EL Mailing List
Subject: RE: (erielack) Boonton Line freight trains-analysis
Paul,
A/CX99 usually departed Croxton about 11 pm or later. NY99 usually about
1am or later and CX 99 around 3am. I don't remember anything running in
daylight with those symbols unless there was a derailment in Croxton yard
that would prevent on time departures.
Rich
"Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)"
wrote:
Rich,
>A/CX99, NY99, and CX99 all ran via Scranton. I was working midnights on
the East End Dispatcher #44 job between 1974 and 1976.
Do you ever remember seeing the NY-99 in daylight? Or was it strictly a
nocturnal train?
- - PAul
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