RE: (erielack) A new set of EL questions

[Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com]

Ed,

Well, DL&W had two pusher districts eastbound (Dansville Hill and eastbound
out of Scranton) and two westbound (west out of Water Gap and west out of
Scranton) each of which, of course, would be even more punishing on the way
downgrade.  Maybe it's out of context, but looking at some of the sawtooth
profiles in the mountain railroads issue of TRAINS (sometime last year, I
believe), DL&W may have had it worse than any other NY-Chicago route (with
Erie a close second), but I would think that N&W or C&O must rank up there
too.

Chuck



                                                                                                                                          
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I read in TRAINS some years ago that the Lackawanna had more ups and
downs than any other railroad in the United States.  Most of the grades
were probably between Stroudsburg and Nicholson, not forgetting the
Dansville area.  Grades were so bad that EMD was troubleshooting
problems with the E8s cracking their axles from overheating due to
excessive braking on the hills.  They didn't have dynamic brakes.

Ed Montgomery



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[mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Paul Brezicki
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Subject: (erielack) A new set of EL questions

I've seen varied accounts of steepness for the DL&W grades, but here
goes:

Steepest: Scranton-Tobyhanna: 1.62% (eastbound)

Longest: Analomink-Tobyhanna: 21 miles, 1.45% (westbound)

Honorable mention: Scranton (Bridge 60)-Clark's Summit: 1.46%
(westbound)

By comparison, Erie had a relatively easy time of it with it's 1.2%
eastbound climb to Gulf Summit.

Speaking of Erie, it's remarkable that this roller-coaster RR had only
one
mainline tunnel (Otisville). But when you think of Erie, you think
bridges:
Moodna, Belfast, Fillmore, Portage, Kinzua and of course, Starrucca; the
road had more than it's share of impressive bridges and viaducts. The
first
three mentioned were built to accomodate a second track that never came.

Paul Brezicki

1) What was the biggest (Steepest and longest) Grade on the system?



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