Re: (erielack) A new set of EL questions

["Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>]

Water Gap to Clarke's Summit was one mean piece of railroad. I had no idea
there was a big hill in upstate NY. Does anyone know the percent grade at
Dansville?

Paul Brezicki

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From: <Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com>
To: "Montgomery, Edward T" <Edward.Montgomery_@_fcps.edu>
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Subject: RE: (erielack) A new set of EL questions


>
> Ed,
>
> Well, DL&W had two pusher districts eastbound (Dansville Hill and
eastbound
> out of Scranton) and two westbound (west out of Water Gap and west out of
> Scranton) each of which, of course, would be even more punishing on the
way
> downgrade.  Maybe it's out of context, but looking at some of the sawtooth
> profiles in the mountain railroads issue of TRAINS (sometime last year, I
> believe), DL&W may have had it worse than any other NY-Chicago route (with
> Erie a close second), but I would think that N&W or C&O must rank up there
> too.
>
> Chuck
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> I read in TRAINS some years ago that the Lackawanna had more ups and
> downs than any other railroad in the United States.  Most of the grades
> were probably between Stroudsburg and Nicholson, not forgetting the
> Dansville area.  Grades were so bad that EMD was troubleshooting
> problems with the E8s cracking their axles from overheating due to
> excessive braking on the hills.  They didn't have dynamic brakes.
>
> Ed Montgomery
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Paul Brezicki
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:30 AM
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> Subject: (erielack) A new set of EL questions
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> I've seen varied accounts of steepness for the DL&W grades, but here
> goes:
>
> Steepest: Scranton-Tobyhanna: 1.62% (eastbound)
>
> Longest: Analomink-Tobyhanna: 21 miles, 1.45% (westbound)
>
> Honorable mention: Scranton (Bridge 60)-Clark's Summit: 1.46%
> (westbound)
>
> By comparison, Erie had a relatively easy time of it with it's 1.2%
> eastbound climb to Gulf Summit.
>
> Speaking of Erie, it's remarkable that this roller-coaster RR had only
> one
> mainline tunnel (Otisville). But when you think of Erie, you think
> bridges:
> Moodna, Belfast, Fillmore, Portage, Kinzua and of course, Starrucca; the
> road had more than it's share of impressive bridges and viaducts. The
> first
> three mentioned were built to accomodate a second track that never came.
>
> Paul Brezicki
>
> 1) What was the biggest (Steepest and longest) Grade on the system?
>
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