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Re: (erielack) Re: EL List Daily V3 #569
Thanks to everybody to responded to my question. The sand trains I was
asking about were the Wanaque-Midvale trains; I lived in Pompton Plains at
the time. I was not aware of the trains that originated on the L&HR until
Bob's reply-thanks, Bob.
The wreck that Chris refers to was an engine movement returning to
Wanaque-Midvale early Monday morning for the commuter trains. Two photos
are on page 90 of "Erie Trackside with Robert F. Collins" by Larry DeYoung.
Unfortunately there were fatalities in this wreck. The only question I have
is the 7/60 date-it seems too early. I would guess it was 1962-does anybody
have the definitive date?
I believe the industrial siding served "Carlson Lumber" back then; it become
Morris Pipe Co. in the late 60's or early 70's.
One of the sand trains did derail within a mile of the referenced wreck,
just west of the Rt. 23 overpass. An underpass collapsed under the weight
of the train. I do not believe anybody was injured in that accident. The
underpass was for a dirt access road to a park along the river. One of the
cranes used to clear the debris was still steam powered with a small coal
tender.
Pete S.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Vitz" <cvitz_@_hotmail.com>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: (erielack) Re: EL List Daily V3 #569
> Pete, Bob,
>
> I seem to remember my father talking about sand trains originating from
the
> Wanaque / Midvale or Haskell area of the Greenwood Lake Branch in the
> 1960's. The sand from this area was also being used in the Turnpike
> construction. My father worked for the Contractor that built the
Turnpike
> and lived / lives in Riverdale and remembered seeing those trains.
>
> I wouldn't doubt sand for this project came from multiple sources
throughout
> New Jersey because they needed so much fill in the Meadowlands.
>
> I also have seen pictures of a wreck that took place at the present day
> Morris Pipe with a three or four unit set of RS-3s (?) around that same
> time. I belive that this was one of those trains coming from or
returning
> to Wanaque as there would be no reason to need that much power this far
> North on the line.
>
>
> Chris Vitz
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:37:30 -0400
> >From: "Pete Scheckermann" <pschecke_@_columbus.rr.com>
> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Blast from the past
> >
> >The reference to the "dirt trains" reminded me of the "sand trains" run
on
> >the Greenwood Lake in the mid 60's during the construction of I-80. They
> >featured A-B-B-A set of F units with a sizable train of hopper cars.
> >
> >Does anybody know where the sand originated, and where it was sent to?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Pete S
> >
> >
> >From Archives_@_Railfan.net
> >Message-ID: <b4.c1a4f61.2a2447ea_@_aol.com>
> >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:39:38 EDT
> >From: Dlw1el2_@_aol.com
> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Blast from the past
> >
> >In a message dated 5/27/2002 8:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >pschecke_@_columbus.rr.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > The reference to the "dirt trains" reminded me of the "sand trains"
run
> >on
> > > the Greenwood Lake in the mid 60's during the construction of I-80.
> >They
> > > featured A-B-B-A set of F units with a sizable train of hopper cars.
> > >
> > > Does anybody know where the sand originated, and where it was sent to?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
> >Pete
> >The sand came off the L&HR at Andover Jct., and went to Croxton Yard,
where
> >it was unloaded for use in the NJ Turnpike construction. Most trains had
> >five units.
> >ABBBA, or AB, RS3,BA combinations. Crews would make one round trip out of
> >Port Morris.
> >
> >Bob Bahrs
> >
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> >
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> >
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