RE: (erielack) Re: Dover Wrecks?

["Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_optonline.net>]

As a note, George Elwood's site has a photo of the post-wreck 902 at
Croxton: http://gelwood.railfan.net/loco/el902age.jpg


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> Subject: (erielack) Re: Dover Wrecks?
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/22/2002 8:00:45 AM Eastern Standard 
> Time, rutan3_@_nac.net 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > When it rains it pours!  I don't have anything on these 
> (see below).  
> > If I had seen such a thing in my readings I'm pretty sure I 
> would have 
> > taken note.  Any ideas?
> > 
> > Dave
> > --
> > "Jon Andreasen (jda_@_nac.net)" wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello Dave:
> > > 
> > > I was wondering if you would know where I could get 
> information on 
> > > two train wrecks in Dover NJ in the 1950's and 60's.  The 
> one from 
> > > the 1950's sheared off the side of the station (I am 
> told).  The one 
> > > from the 1960's was a head on under the Salem St. bridge.  The 
> > > information is for the
> > same
> > > person you helped me with on the last passenger run on the Sussex 
> > > Branch.  He asked me to thank you again, and told me that his 
> > > relatives were very happy to have a copy of the newspaper article 
> > > again.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again,
> > > 
> > > Jon (NYS&W list)
> > 
> > --
> > Monomania can be a good thing
> > DL&W Sussex Branch Memorial
> > http://SussexBranchMemorial.com
> > 
> 
> Jon and Dave
> The wreck in the 60s is when the P Bergers two engines 902 ( 
> never rebuilt ) 
> and I think the 1407? rolled away from Landing Station while 
> the crew was at 
> lunch. 
> They hit the West bound four car commuter train one car 
> length east of the 
> Salem St. bridge east of Dover.  Archie Speer the engineer of 
> the MU electric 
> train was killed.
> The Conductor John Campbell and Engineer Russell Best of the 
> P Berger were 
> out of service for over a year, but both got back. They 
> claimed the engines 
> had a hand brake on, and that they were tampered with. Date 
> was Nov 1, 1966. 
> A girl in my high school class was in a car on the bridge when the MU 
> actually raised up and hit it. My dad who was in town at the 
> time went home 
> and got the movie camera and went back down and shot a little of the 
> aftermath.
> 
> 
> The wreck in the 50s took down the station canopy from the 
> East end of the 
> station.  
> There might have been two wrecks during this time?  It was a 
> west bound 
> freight that scattered cars all through the Dover 
> interlocking.  Don't know 
> of a date, but I would guess 1950-53 My Grandfather took me 
> down, as a little 
> kid, to see it.
> 
> Just called a friend who was at the station at the time of 
> the accident.  He 
> said a flat car started knocking down the canopy pillars on 
> the east end, and 
> then swung out the other way towards the wall track.  By the 
> time everything 
> came to a stop some derailed cars were up between Morris and 
> Orchard St. It 
> wiped out the water plug at the West end of the station and 
> put two baggage 
> wagons into Dickerson St. A spring flying out of the truck of 
> the flat car 
> went clear through the hood of a big old Buick a lady was 
> sitting in at the 
> East end of the station. He said she never came out of the 
> car for a long 
> time she was so scared. A very white looking Black man came 
> out of one of the 
> Box Cars and said he wasn't going to steel any more rides. 
> The towerman Bill 
> Cregenzia had just bumped onto the Dover job, account the 
> wreck at Greendell 
> a week or so before had actually hit the tower when he was in 
> it.  The Wall 
> by the Wall Track in Dover protected him this time, but he 
> was having a run 
> of bad luck you might say.
> 
> Both wrecks would have been covered extensively by the local 
> paper. Dover 
> Advance, which later became the Daily Record. Dover Station 
> now has lots of 
> old photos in it, and it may have one or two from the 50s wreck.
> 
> Hope this helps
> Bob Bahrs
> 

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