Fw: (rshsdepot) Buffalo, NY

["tonydawson1 Dawson" <tonydawson1_@_msn.com>]

The PRR used the LV station in Buffalo.

When I was a young boy in the fifties, my family took the Pennsy from Wash
DC to Buffalo. My only recollection of the trip is walking down steps or a
ramp to get to the main station. Later as a railroad employee in Buffalo, I
became familiar with Central Terminal and could not reconcile the Central
Terminal layout with my recollection. I finally saw a picture of the
interior of the LV station which confirmed my recollection.

Tony Dawson


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." <root_@_net.bluemoon.net>
To: <rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Buffalo, NY


>
> Oh boy, here I go again, I'll keep it short though, getting too close to
> dinner!
>
> Erie's station was stub ended. The Erie also had a number of Buffalo
commuter
> depots, at least 4 in Buffalo proper.
>
> PRR used a small depot downtown while it was the Buffalo, New York and
> Pennsylvania and maybe after becoming the Western New York & Pennsylvania.
> possibly soon after the WNY&P came under PRR control it became an NYC
tenant,
> first downtown and later at Central Terminal in East Buffalo although PRR
> maintained a freight facility and small yard downtown for quite a while.
>
> Nickel Plate was a DL&W tenant as was the B&O datig back to the days of
the
> Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh. I beleve Wabash was also a DL&W tenant.
>
> The NYS Thruway Authority paid $6.95 millon in late 1954 for 4.25 miles of
the
> LV passenger main into downtown Buffalo and the LV used part of that to
build
> a replacement terminal near their East Buffalo Yard on Dingens St just
east
> of the city.
>
> The Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo (CP and NYC owned) used NYC's downtown
> station and later Central Terminal.
>
> Canada's Grand Trunk (not GTW) had their own downtown terminal into the
late
> 1800's and they would have used NYC's depot after that as they had to use
the
> NYC to get downtown. GT also had a depot in Black Rock near the
International
> Bridge to Canada which may have ended up under NYC's ownership, not sure
> about that one.
>
> Shortly after the EL merger they pulled out of downtown and abandoned the
DL&W
> terminal in favor of using a no frills station in East Buffalo at the
ex-Erie
> East Buffalo Yard. The Erie never used DL&W's terminal.
>
> I am still not sure what the Buffalo & Susquehanna used for a Buffalo
depot,
> I believe they ceased operation in 1917 and their Buffalo area line was
> completely abandoned.
>
> Little known is that the South Buffalo Railway also had passenger service
> serving the Lackawanna steel mill commuters. It may have run into downtown
at
> some point, possibly to Exchange St.
>
> NYC had over 20 commuter stations for its Belt Line commuter service.
Trains
> ran both ways around the Belt hourly until about WWI, eventually  it
dwindled
> to a few per day in only one direction and then ceased altogether in the
early
> 1920's.
>
> The New York, West Shore and Buffalo also had passenger service to
downtown
> Buffalo before it became an NYC property when J.P. Morgan intervened and
told
> the NYC and PRR to stop thir squabbling. NYC agreed to stop building the
South
> Pennsylvania RR and Pennsy let teh Central have the West Shore. IIRC the
West
> Shore had a little shack of a depot downtown near Exchange St. for a short
> while. All the downtown depots were in the same general area which ended
up
> being a half mile wide by about a mile long area of yard trackage serving
the
> various downtown freight and passenger facilities. It never was really all
> straightened out until Conrail abandoned everything they could just
> about everywhere. I called it their Scorched Earth Purge of 1983 :)
>
> There was also a bunch of connecting service and through car arranmgments
in
> Buffalo between various roads. For instance the DL&W partnered with NYC's
> Michigan Central for service to Detroit and Chicago via Niagara Falls and
> Canada which meant that sleeping cars had to be shuffled between stations.
It
> varied over the years and the Official Guides are probably the best place
for
> puzzling out those arrangements.
>
> Pere Marquette (C&O) had trackage rights over NYC via the MC through
Canada
> and NYC's NIagara Branch fron Niagara Falls to Buffalo, but I don't know
if
> they had passenger service to Buffalo at one time or not, but I wouldn't
be
> surprised if they did.
>
> Ok, that's enough for now, I'm hungry and it's quittin' time here :)
>
> Henry
>
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Paul Luchter wrote:
>
> > OK, time for a refresher course on Buffalo stations; where did Nickel
Plate
> > go? PRR? B&O?  interesting that Erie was stub and not through
station..or is
> > it?
> >
> > Paul
>
>
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