Re: (rshsdepot) 39th Street South Brooklyn questions and related run-on sentences . .

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

rshsdepot
I found no entry to the big old yards except from inside army Terminal
property....from the street is there an old employee ladder or
something...if you drive there seems no entry to either the LIRR/NH yard or
the 69th St Ferry....there seems just wall, and highway....it seemed no
where near any way to just walk down the street...From 1st or whatever
street it is you are 20 feet up....if you go up the south side you enter the
Belt Parkway......

Are these anti-NYers unsubcribing like Afghan moolahs running from ancient
carvings?
I note that no one answered my Oakland Santa Fe questions...

Life may be short but you can never learn too much...
- -----Original Message-----
From: James R. Guthrie <jguthrie_@_pipeline.com>
To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net <rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) 39th Street South Brooklyn questions and related
run-on sentences . .


>rshsdepot
>Paul asked many questions, and life is short, so here are the easy
>ones, for now:
>
>   The New York & Sea Beach began 1879, from 61st and 1st Avenue
>ferry-would that be where the Army Terminal is now?...I also have 64th
>St Pier, so which might be true?...did it go to El too, I don't know,
>I know about a Bath Junction, broken 1913, and the original route had
>already turned streetcar I think...I think it was 1903 that the Sea
>Beach Railway (1896 name change) diverted onto the BRT system..
>
>I have a post card view of the Sea Beach Terminal -- which really
>appears to be the whole ferry house. 64th St pier was on the acutal
>Sea Beach Railway property, which was just north of the LIRR at 65th.
>I have a track map that shows each separately. The Sea Beach had
>freight service offered by SBK; the latter also offered freight
>service on the Franklin Avenue line and the PPP&CI at greenwood Deot.
>The latter survives on Port Authority Port maps at least as late as
>1942. I've seen SBK freight service on the map at Consumers Park until
>the early 1930s.
>
>>(1898?). That it used steam dummies to 1900 I know....also is there
>any remnant >of the 28th St Lackawanna Yard, I have looked and
>couldn't find any...?
>
>Under a bulk terminal.
>
>It can also be noted that most of these ferries are neglected in the
>big comprehensive ferry books. I guess the main question is after all:
>What period saw passenger rail serving 39th St ferry,  which railroads
>and when, and was there ever a South Brooklyn Railroad that carried
>passengers? I had never known before the ferry book index that South
>Brooklyn Transportation name originated with a ferry and not with
>either Culver or the BRT after they took it over. Do any pictures
>exist of the SBK 39th St terminal? All that is there now is abandoned
>subway cars.
>
>It was a major trolley terminal -- and I've seen pictures and movies
>at ERA meetings in NYC.
>
>>If Jim, you live in Bay Ridge, how would one get near the 69th Street
>ferry site? >And even more puzzling-the Bay Ridge yard that was LIRR?
>
>I walk across the street <g>.
>
>Others may walk down from the 4th Avenue Subway at Bay Ridge Ave, or
>take a B1 bus from there,  or B9 bus from the N train at 59th. The
>pier has been completely rebuilt and is a great place to fish and hang
>out and watch ships. I can also see SIR trains across the Narrows.
>
>Cheers,
>Jim
>
>

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