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Re: (rshsdepot) East New York . . .
rshsdepot
>Is it possible to scan the timetable that had Chambers Street to
Rockaways with >the East NY stop (or feeder train departure time)? I
am still curious why it might >have gone to E NY before heading to
Rockaway since this would have been far >from direct...
It is not generally well known that the LIRR operated direct rail
service from Manhattan before the opening of Penn Station. In
essence, the current Essex Street station on the J/M/Z lines was the
first Manhattan rail terminus of the LIRR; the next was Chambers
Street. Penn Station is really the LIRR's third Manhattan terminal.
The route was quite direct -- it followed the route of the current J/Z
to East New York, headed out Jamaica Avenue to the Chestnut Street
Connection, and down the ramps to the Atlantic Branch of the LIRR. At
Woodhaven Junction, trains headed up the ramp to the NYW&RB right of
way at Ozone Park.
Trains did not stop at East New York" on the LIRR, but rather East New
York on the BRT on the current J/Z line. If you look at the current
subway map, trains turned south off of Fulton St between the
present-day stations at Norwood and Crescent.
For a trackmap, see May & Kahn "The Tracks of New York Number 2 --
Brooklyn elevated Railroads 1910."
For a fairly detailed description of the operation -- along with the
LIRR operation to Brooklyn Bridge, see Seyfried Vol 5, Chapter 6.
For a timetable scan (when trains originated at the Broadway Ferry --
pre Willy-B) as well as photos of the connection, explore:
http://www.lirrhistory.com/joint.html
The question of course, becomes -- would Chambers or Essex qualify on
Charles' excellent website on "Existing Railroad Stations of New York
State" ?
Cheers,
Jim
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