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Re: (erielack) DL&W streamstyled locomotives, was: December calendar picture

The 1123 had green wings with stainless steel lettering and numerals, red, black and aluminum painted trim, a one-off paint scheme.  It was based in Elmira to be nearer its creator, CMO C.J. Scudder.  There were three other Pacifics, one Ten Wheeler and one 4-4-0 (1115, 1117, 1136, 1011 and 988), all of which had stainless steel wings with aluminum paint on the trim; no colors.  The lettering and numerals were stainless as well, a decoration shared by many of the larger engines including 4-6-2s, 4-6-4s and a few 4-8-4s.  The 1117 was the first to get Scudder's wings; its contours are less curvy than those on engines that were later decorated.

That color imagery exists and has been published on the 1123 is amazing; color hasn't yet surfaced of the silver winged engines, though never say never.  While the 1123 didn't come east with wings, the others did and numerous photos exist of the rest of the fleet here in the East.  There was one 1937 fantrip out of Scranton that featured the 1123 and 1136 doubleheaded on a fantrip to Binghamton, photos of that trip mostly show the pair from the train. But this was as far east as the green 1123 ever got.  That painting of the 1123 at Port Morris published in the Taber books does not show a scene that had existed.

The 1136 went on to fame as having tipped over in the Water Gap in 1948 on the Paper Train long after the wings had been removed. When in later 1980s divers reporting finding a steam locomotive in the River, my heart was excited at the possibility that a DL&W 4-6-2 may exist.  Some research found photos of the locomotive being removed on the front page of the New York Times, and Rod Dirkes took a photograph of the tender on rails after it had been rescued.  There is no steam locomotive at the bottom of the Delaware, just parts from various freight cars from the three wrecks on that curve.

There are discussions of the DL&W winged engines in perious writings.  Comparing the Taber-commissioned painting to the Railroad Magazine cover and the Dufee-color chromes in the Peterson book, the Taber painting seems to have colors closer to the actual engine. The colors on the Overland models were based on the Taber painting.

Of those I've met who remember the winged engines, reactions were mixed but mostly favorable.  It's hard to imagine what any of us would have thought about them in the context of those times when streamlining was just catching on.

Mike Del Vecchio

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From: Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul) <paul.tupaczewski_@_alcatel-lucent.com&gt;

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Subject: (erielack) DL&W streamstyled locomotives, was: December calendar picture

>; The question then was, as it is still -- are there any color> photographs of any of these?  Apparently, there were> different color schemes.  Our only clue so far has been a> painting used for the cover of a pre-WWII Railroad Magazine> showing a bright green and red and aluminum scheme on a> Pacific of the 1100 class.  Even a written description would help.
There are very early color photos of the 1123 (the green/red one) that werepublished in the "Trackside with Henry Peterson" book, if memory serves me, thatconfirms the colors on the Railroad magazine painting.

I have seen at least one photo of the other locomotives that shows the wingswere shiny silver (bare aluminum) with black trim. From what I've read, this ishow all the other streamstyled locomotives appeared.

    - Paul, still hoping to find an Overland #1123 some day for my display case:(

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