Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #2837

["Chuck Yungkurth" <raildata_@_comcast.net>]

Well, I guess somebody has to asnwer this question.

The Lackawanna used helper engines on virtually all trains going east and 
west out of Scranton. Passenger train helpers were put on at the depot when 
engines were changed.  Coal trains originated at Hampton yard or Kingston 
and the helpers were put on along with road power. Coal trains often had a 
helper on the front and three pushers on the rear. These would be 2100 
sereis 2-8-2s and 2200 series 4-8-2s. 1400 class 4-8-2s were pretty much 
gone by the 1940s.  All pushers returned to Scranton or Kingston after being 
cut off at Gouldsboro or Clarks Summit.

Helpers for passenger trains were usually 4-8-4s in the 1650 and higher 
numbers. There were also a number of 2100 2-8-2s used for helpers on 
passenger trains and as road power for extras, etc. To be a helper on 
passenger trains the locos ahd to be equipped with train signals and usually 
had steam heating lines.

I only saw 4-6-4s in service west of Scranton.  Also, there was usually only 
one 4-6-2 on trains in Scranton that I can recall and that was used on the 
Bloomsburg Branch passenger train.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cynthia Brookshire" <curtis.brookshire_@_verizon.net>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:26 PM
Subject: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #2837


>I was afraid someone would ask that as I really don't know.  Lackawanna
> changed engines at Scranton during steam days and if they used helpers
> eastbound they would be on at the station.  Tabor tells a story of a coal
> train running to New Jersey and their helpers cut off at Gouldsboro, so 
> it's
> possible the passenger train helpers did as well.
>
> I mentioned the DL&W running three sections of number 6 on Labor Days.
> Tabor also talks about them running 5 sections in the 30s, one from 
> Buffalo,
> one from Elmira, one from Binghamton, one from Scranton and one from East
> Stroudsburg.  Oh well, route 17 and route 80 didn't exist back then.
>
> Curtis
>> From Archives_@_Railfan.net
>> Message-ID: <id.13082008175256.00000_@_FPE>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:52:56 EDT
>> From: "Janet & Randy Brown" <jananran_@_mymailstation.com>
>> Subject: Re:(erielack) Re: Helpers and Train Length
>>
>> How about eastbound out of Scranton?
>>
>> Randy Brown
>> - --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Helpers ran from Gravel Place to Pocono Summit and from Scranton to
> Clark's Summit.  Don't know about Dansville Hill, someone else will have 
> to
> help there. . .
>>
>> Curtis Brookshire
>> Manassas, VA
>>
>>
>> > From: RJFlei_@_aol.com
>> > Subject: (erielack) Lackawanna Hudson Questions
>> >
>> > Since this is one of my favorite engines I'd like to ask these
> questions.
>> >
>> > 2. At what point were these engines (train length) double headed or
> other
>> > power substituted? (Pocono)
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Rick Fleischer
>> > Cortland, OH.
>>
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