Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange

["R CHAPIN" <rwc27q_@_verizon.net>]

Brad,

To give a thru route to New England for Passenger service. Hell Gate 
actually built by the NY Connection RR, a joint venture of PRR with NH, I 
think. I have to find an old Keystone mag that tells the entire story. Since 
this is a bit OT now, contact me on-line and I'll give you some details.

Rich

P.S. receipt request turned off for this message. glad most of you ignored 
it.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange


> Really? I have not read much directly about this. But the pocket 
> historical guide to railroads said NH & PRR jointly built the hells gate 
> bridge <for a lot of money> so they could directly interchange. So even 
> though I could never find the stupid thing on a map I Assumed it went from 
> somewhere on the north end of new york city into new jersey over the 
> hudson. Obviously I was mistaken. If carfloats/ferries still had to be 
> involved what was the point of this bridge?
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: R CHAPIN<mailto:rwc27q_@_verizon.net>
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>  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:44 PM
>  Subject: Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
>
>
>  Brad et al.
>
>  You could access the Hell Gate Bridge by a) floating cars to the LIRR at
>  Long Island City or b) floating the cars to the LIRR/NH at Bay Ridge.
>
>  The only "land" line connection is via the PRR tunnel under the Hudson, 
> thru
>  Penn Station and then thru the East River tunnel into Sunnyside Yard. A
>  passenger only route, no freight.
>
>  Rich
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Bradley Butcher" 
> <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com<mailto:llyengalyn@hotmail.com>>
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>  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:24 PM
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>
>
>  > Ok well then this begs the question. If there was a physical connection 
> to
>  > the LI and NH at Hells gate bridge, why was anything floated at all? It
>  > just seems dumb, if you have a land line way to get there everything
>  > should use it.
>  >  > Are you sure about this? Everything I've read indicates that NYNH&H
>  >  > interchange at Bay Ridge was not limited to PRR. For example, this 
> is
>  > an
>  >
>  >  Nelligan is incorrect. I don't think you'll even find tariffs that 
> would
>  >  allow sucgh a move, even if a shpper attempted to route that way.
>  >
>  >  As I wrote earlier, this was always the despair of regional planners,
>  >  because even most NH-LIRR freight went from Port Morris to LIC via 
> float;
>  >  some NH-NYC traffic even went 60th St to Port Morris with a track
>  > connection
>  >  in the Bronx.
>  >
>  >  Now I've been at this business long enough to know that someone can 
> cite
>  > an
>  >  exception -- but this was simply not an interchange gateway, Even the 
> PRR
>  >  floated LIRR traffic from Greenville to LIC. The LIRR did no 
> interchange
>  > for
>  >  its own account at Bay Ridge.
>  >
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