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RE: (erielack) Erie yellow
Hi Joe,
I was pretty impressed by this analysis you wrote up yesterday. There are repeated color threads on
the STMFC listing, and what you have written here demonstrates that a) context is everything, b)
lighting is incredibly important, and c) absolute veracity in color matching is somewhere between
hopeless and irrelevant.
May I forward this to the STMFC (with? Without?) attribution?
SGL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph A. Braun [mailto:joebraun_@_optonline.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: (erielack) Erie yellow
>
> I was just filing some articles and remembered that I had one in the pile
> with some information that I had wanted to share with us Listers. So I offer
> the following with an FYI mindset.
>
>
>
> We know that Erie yellow was stock Dupont Dulux Yellow. With John Bezuyen
> doing the research and painting, this fact was underscored, so the New York
> & Greenwood Lake Railway Geep and RS wear the modern version, still DULUX
> Yellow 9356d.
>
>
>
> In the Winter 2008 issue of The Streamliner (the Union Pacific Historical
> Society publication) there is a thorough "Guide to UP Diesel Locomotive
> Painting and Lettering" from 1934 to 1980 compiled by Don Strack and Dick
> Harley. Very interestingly, that article states that "research has found
> that UP Armour Yellow was stock Dupont No. 93-9356 Dulux yellow enamel
> (p.7)." According to further research credited by Strack and Harley to Bob
> Lucas of the AC&Y Historical Society and dated March 17, 2001, the same
> yellow was used by the Akron, Canton & Youngstown, the Atlantic Coast Line,
> Detroit & Toledo Short Line, Erie, Kansas City Southern, Louisiana &
> Arkansas, Meridian & Bigbee, and Phelps-Dodge Morenci Mine. The article
> added that the very same yellow "was also used by General Motors on their
> Chevrolet line of pickup trucks, from 1936-1952." [I found a website re the
> truck color: http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/paint/salter.html ]
>
>
>
> In essence, then, the research done by the UPHS and AC&YHS shows that Erie
> Yellow and Armour Yellow were the same paint.
>
>
>
> This is an interesting study in color perception. Make that stock Dulux
> Yellow the prime color in a scheme with red and gray (brown at first), call
> it "Armour Yellow" and use it on hundreds of cars in a famed streamliner
> fleet, weather it with the ruddy hues of western dust, and photograph it
> enough on Kodachrome film in late afternoon sun - and Armour Yellow takes on
> a life of its own, even to the point of model manufacturers often making it
> a deep orangy or reddish yellow. But Armour Yellow was the same yellow that
> adorned Erie black and yellow diesels. It was, as it always looked to me in
> person trackside, simply a good and hearty "yellow."
>
>
>
> Joe Braun
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