Jim and group, I find this "Line 13" business very intriguing; can you please explain it again? I'm familiar with the National Docks line, which was a joint LV-CNJ operation, correct? I assume the Erie Weehawken branch paralleled. Was the ND originally built by the PA and then sold to LV/CNJ when the Union Terminal concept fell apart? Did the line actually go all the way up to Ft Lee at one time, or was the portion N of Edgewater never built? If Erie didn't own the trackage between Weehawken and Edgewater, who did? Paul B The Erie went as far north as Weehawken qhwere the stockyards and D&H, Erie and PaCoal Co oal terminals were located. Later, the Erie had other marine facilities and piers there as well. Edgewater was NYS&W, and at various times in sundry agreements, there were some trackage rights agreements that permitted the Erie to get to Edgewater, and the NY Central to serve Edgewater as well. The 1930s trackage agreements were a result of the Port Authority's master plan for the Port, which included a tunnel under New York Harbor, but also making "Line 13" --- essentially from Bayonne to the southern border of Fort Lee, a "Union Terminal" with open access for all. Among the incidents that killed the idea was the Erie's lawsuit against the PA when the latter built a connection to make the line whole. The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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