Re: (erielack) A new set of EL questions

[Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com]

Yes, I was generalizing for comparison purposes when I said that.



                                                                                                                                          
                      William Shultz                                                                                                      
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Not to mention the DL&W didn't go to Chicago. You might want to take a
look at a Lehigh Valley grade profile some time too. Hardly a flatland
railroad.

Will Shultz

Bob Dobrowolski wrote:
> As far as "other" NY-Chicago grades, I would think thee PRR over
Horseshoe curve would at least rate an honorable mention.......
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> Bob Dobrowolski
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> Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com wrote:
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> Ed,
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> Well, DL&W had two pusher districts eastbound (Dansville Hill and
eastbound
> out of Scranton) and two westbound (west out of Water Gap and west out of
> Scranton) each of which, of course, would be even more punishing on the
way
> downgrade. Maybe it's out of context, but looking at some of the sawtooth
> profiles in the mountain railroads issue of TRAINS (sometime last year, I
> believe), DL&W may have had it worse than any other NY-Chicago route
(with
> Erie a close second), but I would think that N&W or C&O must rank up
there
> too.
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> Chuck
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> "Montgomery, Edward
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> 08/04/2005 01:21 PM
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> "Montgomery, Edward
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> I read in TRAINS some years ago that the Lackawanna had more ups and
> downs than any other railroad in the United States. Most of the grades
> were probably between Stroudsburg and Nicholson, not forgetting the
> Dansville area. Grades were so bad that EMD was troubleshooting
> problems with the E8s cracking their axles from overheating due to
> excessive braking on the hills. They didn't have dynamic brakes.
>
> Ed Montgomery
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> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Paul Brezicki
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> I've seen varied accounts of steepness for the DL&W grades, but here
> goes:
>
> Steepest: Scranton-Tobyhanna: 1.62% (eastbound)
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> Longest: Analomink-Tobyhanna: 21 miles, 1.45% (westbound)
>
> Honorable mention: Scranton (Bridge 60)-Clark's Summit: 1.46%
> (westbound)
>
> By comparison, Erie had a relatively easy time of it with it's 1.2%
> eastbound climb to Gulf Summit.
>
> Speaking of Erie, it's remarkable that this roller-coaster RR had only
> one
> mainline tunnel (Otisville). But when you think of Erie, you think
> bridges:
> Moodna, Belfast, Fillmore, Portage, Kinzua and of course, Starrucca; the
> road had more than it's share of impressive bridges and viaducts. The
> first
> three mentioned were built to accomodate a second track that never came.
>
> Paul Brezicki
>
> 1) What was the biggest (Steepest and longest) Grade on the system?
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