RE: (erielack) E-8 etc

["Michael Steinberg" <u34ch_@_bellatlantic.net>]

Doug, several NJDOT E8s were traded to Illinois Central for rebuilt E8s
(while most were just rebuilt, NJDOT wanted some units back ASAP so they got
back some rebuilt IC units). They were all ex-PRR and NYC however, no EL.

Mike

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Subject: RE: (erielack) E-8 etc


I understand many / some / a few EL E8's were subsequently sold to the
Illinois Central, who used them on their Florida and New Orleans trains.
Does anyone know which ones went to IC and approximately when?

Thanks

Doug

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Subject:	Re: (erielack) E-8 low wings, rply 2 A, B, C, D

Dear folks:

In my recent review of 1950s Erie passenger consists, I found the only Erie
E-8s 820, 821, 822, and 823 with the low long wings (see below for details).


The long-wing scheme was the scheme used on the Rivarossi E-8s, of which I
have a pair.  These do (or did) have a number of incorrect details, the most

distracting is that nose door mounted headlight.  (If a blind guy can see
it,
then it is distracting, to say the least, but it was all that was out there
when purchased).

Caption and photographic reference of the long, lower Erie wings, are found
on consists pulled by E-8s numbered:

Erie #823 on Train #1 in February 1951 at Ridgewood, New Jersey (ERIE
RAILROAD TRACKSIDE WITH ROBERT F. COLLINS, DeYoung, 1998, page 100--caption
states that the first four were delivered the previous month, January 1951,
and explains how Erie kept the odd number E8 in the lead on the odd-numbered

trains),

Erie #822 on Train #6 in April 1951 at Waldwick, New Jersey (DeYoung 1998,
page 98)

Erie # 823 on Train #1 in May 1951, at Binghamton, New York  (Carleton, THE
ERIE STORY, pages 206-207);

Erie #823 on Train #1, June 1951 at Binghamton, New York (Crist, ERIE
MEMORIES, page 93).

By July 1951, Bob Collins had caught Erie #823 pulling Train #1 at Arden,
New
York, repainted with the higher, shorter wings.  The caption states that
Larry or Bob (whoever "I" is) had never seen a photograph of an E-8 higher
than Erie #823 with the low wings (DeYoung, 1988, page 102).
Others reported that by April 1952, Erie #823 was caught repainted with the
higher, shorter Erie Diamond and wings on the point of Train #5 near
Greenville, PA (printed in both Crist's 1993 ERIE MEMORIES page 35, and
Carleton's 1998 ERIE Railroad STORY page 216), and listed that as their
comparison.

June 1951, William Farber caught both Trains #1 with Erie #825 & #824, at
Port Jervis, New York, and Train #2 with Erie #826 & #827 at Binghamton, New

York, all with the high-winged nose (Carleton, 1988, pages 210 and 211).
The
caption also notes the differences in pilots of #825 from passenger to
freight on these pages.

I have most of the 1940s and 1950s Erie consists that were published listed
out, and am still working on the 1960s EL versions.  I am missing references

from the Route of the Eire Limited.  Any one have a copy I could get?
Carstens Publishing has not been able to find one, and I have tried some of
the email resources without luck.

Howard Haines
ELHS #1447

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