RE: (erielack) E-8 etc

["Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)" <paultup_@_lucent.com>]

NONE of the ex-EL E8s were sold to anyone - they went to scrap or went on to
Conrail...

	- Paul


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holbrook, Douglas W [mailto:douglas.w.holbrook_@_baesystems.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:53 AM
> To: Hhaines_@_aol.com; sgl2@ix.netcom.com; paultup@lucent.com; 
> jimbatt1_@_juno.com
> Cc: erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
> Subject: RE: (erielack) E-8 etc
> 
> 
> I understand many / some / a few EL E8's were subsequently 
> sold to the Illinois Central, who used them on their Florida 
> and New Orleans trains. Does anyone know which ones went to 
> IC and approximately when?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Doug
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hhaines_@_aol.com [SMTP:Hhaines@aol.com]
> Sent:	Saturday, January 19, 2002 09:49
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> Subject:	Re: (erielack) E-8 low wings, rply 2 A, B, C, D
> 
> Dear folks:
> 
> In my recent review of 1950s Erie passenger consists, I found 
> the only Erie 
> E-8s 820, 821, 822, and 823 with the low long wings (see 
> below for details).
> 
> 
> The long-wing scheme was the scheme used on the Rivarossi 
> E-8s, of which I 
> have a pair.  These do (or did) have a number of incorrect 
> details, the most
> 
> distracting is that nose door mounted headlight.  (If a blind 
> guy can see it, 
> then it is distracting, to say the least, but it was all that 
> was out there 
> when purchased).
> 
> Caption and photographic reference of the long, lower Erie 
> wings, are found 
> on consists pulled by E-8s numbered: 
> 
> Erie #823 on Train #1 in February 1951 at Ridgewood, New Jersey (ERIE 
> RAILROAD TRACKSIDE WITH ROBERT F. COLLINS, DeYoung, 1998, 
> page 100--caption 
> states that the first four were delivered the previous month, 
> January 1951, 
> and explains how Erie kept the odd number E8 in the lead on 
> the odd-numbered
> 
> trains), 
> 
> Erie #822 on Train #6 in April 1951 at Waldwick, New Jersey 
> (DeYoung 1998, 
> page 98) 
> 
> Erie # 823 on Train #1 in May 1951, at Binghamton, New York  
> (Carleton, THE 
> ERIE STORY, pages 206-207);
> 
> Erie #823 on Train #1, June 1951 at Binghamton, New York (Crist, ERIE 
> MEMORIES, page 93).
> 
> By July 1951, Bob Collins had caught Erie #823 pulling Train 
> #1 at Arden, New 
> York, repainted with the higher, shorter wings.  The caption 
> states that 
> Larry or Bob (whoever "I" is) had never seen a photograph of 
> an E-8 higher 
> than Erie #823 with the low wings (DeYoung, 1988, page 102).  
> Others reported that by April 1952, Erie #823 was caught 
> repainted with the 
> higher, shorter Erie Diamond and wings on the point of Train #5 near 
> Greenville, PA (printed in both Crist's 1993 ERIE MEMORIES 
> page 35, and 
> Carleton's 1998 ERIE Railroad STORY page 216), and listed 
> that as their 
> comparison.
> 
> June 1951, William Farber caught both Trains #1 with Erie 
> #825 & #824, at 
> Port Jervis, New York, and Train #2 with Erie #826 & #827 at 
> Binghamton, New
> 
> York, all with the high-winged nose (Carleton, 1988, pages 
> 210 and 211). The 
> caption also notes the differences in pilots of #825 from 
> passenger to 
> freight on these pages.
> 
> I have most of the 1940s and 1950s Erie consists that were 
> published listed 
> out, and am still working on the 1960s EL versions.  I am 
> missing references
> 
> from the Route of the Eire Limited.  Any one have a copy I 
> could get?  
> Carstens Publishing has not been able to find one, and I have 
> tried some of 
> the email resources without luck. 
> 
> Howard Haines
> ELHS #1447
> 

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