Re: (erielack) Westerner --- New Yorker

["David Monte Verde" <"dmvgvt_@_earthlink.net">]

The transfer of cars between the NKP & DL&W was no too difficult because the
NKP used the Lackawanna Terminal and later day EL Babcock Street "depot"
until their trains were dropped, I can just hear that SW-1 putting around
with the cars now.  I can remember very distinctively going up to the
Dansville(MP 318.6) depot to see #8 the New Yorker, and with Dansville being
a flag stop, seeing the two Dietz Vesta lanterns-one green & one white,
sitting on the platform or lit in the Agent's office awaiting placement on
the platform to flag stop #8.  I also remember going out and feeling the
flutted stainless steel of a Plate sleeper and asking my dad what it was,
and where were  my familiar M/Y/G coaches.  The NKP stuff ran through
Dansville in the middle of the night, so it wasn't too often that a little
kid got to see this equipment.
    It was also quite a sound to hear a pair of E8's start a passenger
train, out of the station in the middle of the 1.4% Dansville Hill, you
didn't have to be close because it would echo across the whole Valley, great
memories gone forever.


Regards David Monte Verde
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From: "The Jordans" <"pamela_@_blast.net">
To: <"JACK5008_@_webtv.net">; <erielack@internexus.net>
Cc: <"pezzard_@_hotmail.com">
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 20:05
Subject: Re: (erielack) Westerner --- New Yorker


> Jack-
>
> The Westerner and the New Yorker were DL&W trains between Hoboken and
> Buffalo.  Equipment from the DL&W was transferred to the NKP for insertion
> into the NKP consist of their trains at Buffalo going to Chicago.  Usually
> this consisted of one coach and one sleeper and a multitude of "head end"
> cars.  The eastbound NKP train would transfer cars from Chicago at Buffalo
> to the DL&W in about the same ratio.
>
> Therefore, you could see the DL&W New Yorker with an NKP coach and a
> sleeper in it's consist headed east and their return on the next trip on
> the Westerner.  Both DL&W trains were mostly DL&W gray, maroon and yellow
> streamline cars with only two NKP blue and silver cars.  Head end cars
> involved were usually old heavyweight express baggage and special express
> box cars from both roads.
>
> George Elwood has a listing of specific equipment assigned for these
trains
> at the below URL:
>
> http://www.dnaco.net/~gelwood/pax/dlw-t11.html
>
> Pictures of the models for the NKP coach and sleeper can be seen on my web
> iste at:
>
>
http://TrainNut.Railfan.net/PJLayoutImages/nkpcityofcoldwaterstreamlinesleep
> er72'blue&silver.JPG
>
>
http://TrainNut.Railfan.net/PJLayoutImages/nkp102streamlinecoach72'blue&silv
> er.JPG
> Ooops!  Watch the corner turn on the URL addresses
>
> -Joe Jordan
>
> At 06:35 PM 06/20/2000 -0400, "JACK5008_@_webtv.net" wrote:
> >
> >The Westerner and the New Yorker were the names for a westbound &
> >eastbound train between New York (Hoboken) and Chicago operated on the
> >DL&W and NKP.
> >
> >Were the consists mostly DL&W or mostly NKP.
> >
> >My understanding was that it was run as one through train, not like the
> >Phoebe Snow and City of Chicago (Cleveland) that ran as two separate
> >trains with through cars.
> >
> >
> >Jack Grasso
> >
> >
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