From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003301c47833$299ae9e0$5d21f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:50:54 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, South Australia Part 1 (maps, Port Pirie, Port Augusta, Quorn, Mannahill, Petersborough, Parachilna, Terowie, Gladstone and Riverton stations & the Picchi Ricchi Ry.) Bangor, South Australia, Australia...so big I split it in three. I start with area around Bangor, north of Adelaide maybe 100 miles. Bangor, State of South Australia, Australia Bangor, South Australia Slightly NE from Port Pirie, south of Port Augusta. North of Adelaide I will go out of order here to show a really really nice station picture. This is Adelaide, South Australia, the railway is SAR. Like a South Station for Georgetown or something. I think this looks great: The front: http://www.geocities.com/sarreci/Station.jpg A corner station, like South Station or LIRR Flatbush Avenue Adelaide also has an interurban railway to a beach, using 75 year old interurban railway cars. Here is an 1888 South Australia railway map: http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-nk2456-160 click on interactive map. See the triangular shaped peninsula on bottom left of this map, go up this Bay, which is Spencer Bay, go almost all the way up it, clicking on the gray area on the right just before the top. Keep zooming in, click on the gray circle just to right of where the Bay starts to narrow, there is an <(11)> in this circle. You will now be near this long link: http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nla.map-nk2456-160-sd&rgn=0.5604508197% 2C0.5017393897%2C0.7653688525%2C0.6607693072&cmd=zoomin&width=400&x=201&y=14 1 Port Pirie is a port on the jutting out land , to get to Bangor, head north to Telowie Creek, Port Germein, , now go right and there is Bangor. This looks like it may have been end of this branch. Go up the coast, Baroota, Winninowie, eventually Port Augusta, from, where the trains come from Perth (west). Petersburg is now called Petersborough, it is big city to east, Adelaide is big city on other peninsula in bay next to Spencer, about 60 miles south. and in the insert on this map. Quorn is another bigger stop north. I can't find any Bangor station pictures. Port Pirie station is now a museum: Go to this page and it is five pictures down, click on it for big picture, for some reason this link address can't be copied: http://www.pprdb.com.au/region/index.asp Front view: Port Pirie, now a museum: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pavlich/reunion/museum.jpg Port Pirie map: http://www.wilmap.com.au/samaps/port_pirie/default.htm Schematic map, Adelaide to Ceduna: http://www.wilmap.com.au/stripmaps/MAPS/ADCED.GIF Here is current MidNorth map: http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/waller/rail/MIDNORTH.jpg The Bangor branch doesn't seem on it. South Australia Railways (S.A.R.) 1951 map: http://www.members.westnet.com.au/jetsdel_inprotrans/scans/sar.gif Port Augusta station 1918: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/misc15.jpg Port Augusta now: http://members.lycos.nl/jacob_bax/australia/ghan/341058.jpg Port Augusta: http://www.callufrax.net/travelpics/portaugusta1.jpg Port Augusta?: http://www.callufrax.net/travelpics/station1.jpg Budd car being unloaded from the "Belbetty" at Port Augusta Wharf, 1951: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/misca01.jpg 1929 at Port Augusta station: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/cr82.jpg The Port Augusta and Government Gums Ry (The narrow gauge Ghan Ry.)., 1877 To Alice Springs far north, narrow gauge until mid-1990s.. The Picchi Ricchi Ry. is the tourist line out of Quorn to Port Augusta: Photo gallery here: http://www.prr.org.au/gallery/albums.php On the Quorn line 1955 with railcar at Pichi Richi Pass: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/nrm_e_pd_aga03546.html Picchi Ricchi Ry.: http://www.prr.org.au/images/nm25w916quorn.jpg In 1879, the Great Northern Railway opened the line from Port Augusta to Quorn. More stations on this line: Mannahill Station: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/Mannahill-1.jpg Parachilna station: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/Parachilna-3.jpg History of the line between Port Augusta and Kalgoorlie (to the west).art of the intercontinental railway: http://john.curtin.edu.au/railway/earlytravel/kalgoorlie.html Port Augusta was where the maintenance yards were: http://john.curtin.edu.au/railway/primeminister/photo10.html Terowie is 221 kilometers north of Adelaide. It had broad and narrow gauge railways. Terowie station 1895: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/nrm_e_pd_aba05370.html Terowie Station today: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/TerStn1.jpg The "coal tippler": http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/CoalTplr.jpg (For transfer of coal between narrow gauge and broad gauge cars) Narrow gauge on left, broad on right in this view: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/Tippler2.jpg 1970 saw the removal of the narrow gauge here: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/nrm_e_pd_aba10869.html 12 miles south is Gladstone. There were three gauges here. An 1877 line to bring wheat to Port Pirie was/is standard gauge. Gladstone Terminal: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/GladstonePics/GldstStn.jpg Big station: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/GladstonePics/GldsStnC.jpg The Gladstone yards is one of few (only?) yards for three gauges of rails.: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/GladstonePics/GLDSN830.jpg I think all three are on the track in foreground. Here are old similar ones: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/GladstonePics/Switches.jpg More recent: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/GladstonePics/GLDyard.jpg The broad gauge was the Irish 5'3", the narrow 3'6". Petersburg on old map is Petersborough, east of Bangor. Petersborough station, 1942: http://cas.awm.gov.au/pls/PRD/ump.retrieve_uma?surl=1763538602ZZODQWQBBDNU&p arm1=UMO_ID&parm2=411165&parm1=DISPLAY_TYPE&parm2=RAW&parm1=DISPLAY_WHAT&par m2=MASTER&parm1=LOGIN_TYPE&parm2=PROFILEG&parm1=AID&parm2= Riverton is 60 miles north of Adelaide: The station is now an art gallery: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/RivertonPics/Station.jpg http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/RivertonPics/Platform.jpg w/ tower: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/RivertonPics/Riverton2.jpg Engine House and water tower: http://www.trainweb.org/mystation/RivertonPics/RedHensA.jpg You can see this line on the old map, it went by Bangor but I don't think connected through there. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #960 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000401c479a4$b19efa80$1c1bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:56:08 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, South Australia, Part 2 (Adelaide, N. Adelaide, Adelaide River, Port Adelaide (2), Woodville, Torren's Bridge, Mount Lofty stations and misc. other rail photos) Part 2 includes Adelaide Railway Station (all 6 or 7 or 8 of them) and many stations around Adelaide Here is an elevated railway station, at Commercial Road, Port Adelaide, c. 1916: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/10350/B10224.jpg 1919: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/24510/B24364.jpg Port Adelaide station, Original station erected 1856, show c. 1870: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/01880/B1868.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/34730/B34546.jpg Added to... a nice one: http://www.statelibrary.vic.gov.au/pictoria/a/1/4/im/a14496.jpg 1890: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/04550/B4431.jpg 1907: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/34980/B34751.jpg 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/04290/B4282.jpg 1928 ambulance centre during Waterside Workers Strike: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05060/B4916.jpg 1930: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/28030/B27886.jpg Called Port Dock station, 1950: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/46528/B46528_100.jpg 1896, 200 yards east of Dock Ry. Station, A.A. Brewing Co., 1896: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/10100/B10053.jpg Woodville station: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/30360/B30324.jpg Between Port Adelaide and Adelaide. 1920 Adelaide- I think has had 5 or 6 or 7 stations at North Terrace: Adelaide railway Station, c. 1855: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/08720/B8582.jpg Adelaide Railway Station c. 1865: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/21520/B21362.jpg Adelaide Railway Station "goods shed", 1865: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/42950/B42928.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/42950/B42927.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/41950/B41737.jpg 1870: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/02180/B1982.jpg c. 1870: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05550/B5460.jpg 1872: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/02180/B1955.jpg 1875: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/59250/B59034.jpg Adelaide Railway Station c. 1878: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/09390/B9193.jpg http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an20886593-25-v Adelaide Railway Station c. 1880: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/28530/B28434.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/01030/B944.jpg n.d.: http://www.statelibrary.vic.gov.au/pictoria/b/1/2/im/b12630.jpg c. 1888: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/22510/B22386.jpg 1889: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/01880/B1723.jpg c. 1890: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/06820/B6669.jpg 1898: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/03520/B3357.jpg 1898 sheds being demolished: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/11090/B10983.jpg Arrival of Lord Tennyson, 1899: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/07940/B7810.jpg Concourse, 1890: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/24040/B24024.jpg Freight station, 1890: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/08470/B8398.jpg Adelaide Railway Station, 1900: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/17530/B17426.jpg Cloakroom, c. 1900: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/23050/B22773.jpg Arriving, 1900: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/17640/B17560.jpg 1901, visit of Duke & Duchess of York: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/25960/B25944.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/23050/B22822.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/06570/B6499.jpg Ticket Office, 1902: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12800/B12634.jpg 1903 new roofs: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/06570/B6444.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12800/B12633.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12800/B12632.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12800/B12631.jpg c. 1905: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12070/B11942.jpg 1905 sheds: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12560/B12319.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/16490/B16393_42.jpg 1906 Hall: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40250/B40032.jpg 1906: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12560/B12321.jpg Adelaide Railway Station c. 1908: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/06820/B6660.jpg 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/34980/B34772.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/10350/B10295.jpg vaulted ticket office, c. 1910: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12560/B12315.jpg 1909 sheds: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/11090/B11068.jpg 1910 sheds: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12560/B12318.jpg 1919 near station, the Anzac Arch: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/02950/B2749.jpg Adelaide Railway Station, c. 1920 http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/52900/B52733.jpg Dome under construction, c. 1920: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/31360/B31202.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/31360/B31203.jpg Arrival of Prince of Wales 1920: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/42700/B42525.jpg 1920 Concourse from North Terrace: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/44120/B44036.jpg 1920 Main Hall!: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/53400/B53195.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/28780/B28549.jpg 1920 Waiting Room: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/44120/B44037.jpg 1920 Ladies Lounge: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/44120/B44039.jpg Knocking down old station, 1927: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/54750/B54583.jpg Today's Adelaide Station opened 1926: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40000/B39877.jpg http://www.statelibrary.vic.gov.au/pictoria/b/1/2/im/b12553.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40000/B39881.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40000/B39878.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/40000/B39879.jpg (nice one) 1928: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60750/B60688.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05060/B4993.jpg 1928 ticket area: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/21020/B20932.jpg Here are shots of the station, the waiting room picture, shots of dome, being built and station in 1939: http://www.skycityadelaide.com.au/about-us/history/history_home.cfm 1927: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05060/B4872.jpg Front, 1927: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/04800/B4575.jpg 1928: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60750/B60688.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/56250/B56245.jpg 1937: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/23790/B23769.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/29860/B29637.jpg Here are pictures showing steam all the way until they built a hotel on top of the station so you see a hotel instead of a station: http://sar.4mg.com/adelaide.html http://www.sadlo.co.uk/early/Adelaide%20Rail'station.JPG 1941: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/38080/B37934.jpg 1950: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/46528/B46528_148.jpg 3/15/1942: http://cas.awm.gov.au/pls/PRD/ump.retrieve_uma?surl=1629555534ZZJWVFDINTVF&p arm1=UMO_ID&parm2=318012&parm1=DISPLAY_TYPE&parm2=RAW&parm1=DISPLAY_WHAT&par m2=MASTER&parm1=LOGIN_TYPE&parm2=PROFILEG&parm1=AID&parm2= 1983 before alterations: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/43370/B42961.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/43370/B42965.jpg The station is mostly still there though http://www.geocities.com/sarreci/Station.jpg worth repeating http://www.tanu.org/~sakane/diary/20000325/20000326_05.jpg http://www.storywise.com/polis_conf/Dsc0843.jpg http://www.stuharris.co.uk/road/Images/2.jpg http://meltin.net/pix/adelaide-melbourne-2002/adelaide/big-013.jpg At night: http://home.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~wasner/Galleries/Australien/adelaide- central-station.JPG http://www.skycityadelaide.com.au/adelaide/dms/D141D1E648545DB839A78F40A0F4A A54.jpg The concourse: http://www.geocities.com/sarreci/Station.jpg http://www.tanu.org/~sakane/diary/20000325/20000326_15.jpg http://users.chariot.net.au/~adriandc/mypics/adelaide/station.jpg A train in the station: http://austranz.railmedia.com.au/sa/train/sarail16.jpg Original current station, different view: http://www.postcards-ansichtskarten.de/shop/ak/17/172097.jpg That station was at North Terrace, here is South Terrace station, 1914: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/00330/B61.jpg 1929: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05300/B5162.jpg North Adelaide station, 1880: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/04050/B3903.jpg 1991: http://www.deh.gov.au/cgi-tmp/photodb1972120996.jpg Adelaide River station: c. 1890: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/13040/B12890.jpg 1961: http://www.ntlib.nt.gov.au/NTLPicLib\jsmall\03\03095.jpg Now: http://www.neilyb.de/ClaudiaandNeil/oz/Bilder/adel_river_stn.jpg http://www.deh.gov.au/cgi-tmp/photodb2365620660.jpg Torren's Bridge Railway Station, 1885: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/12070/B11898.jpg Mount Lofty station in Adelaide Hills is a Bed and Breakfast hotel: http://www.mlrs.com.au/home.html Tailem Bend's restored station: http://www.tailembend.com/tailem_pics/2003_1205Image0004.JPG The new bridge: http://www.aarc.com.au/aarc/news/adelaide_river_bridge290703.html The last line of multi-gauge track was in 1995 when Melbourne to Aldelaide was converted to standard. Port Dock Station Railway Museum: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/graphics/ma__20.jpg also called the Break of Gauge Museum: http://lorkers.members.beeb.net/Sydney/Adelaide/Rail2.jpg http://lorkers.members.beeb.net/Sydney/Adelaide/Rail1.jpg The museum has 4 gauges, as they also have a 18" gauge line., imagine a switch on a 4 gauge line! Here is the Railway Historical Society of South Australia, more good pictures: http://www.steamranger.org.au/enthusiast/history.htm A few other South Australian Ralilway photos: Mile End yard view to North from Keswick bridge, 1926, broad gauge train carrying auto bodies: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/graphics/e_pd_ab13582.jpg Bridgewater line, Sleeps Hill viaduct, 1895: http://www.natrailmuseum.org.au/common/graphics/e_pd_ak11946.jpg This locomotive was known as "The Rat", at Petersborough: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/V9-1.jpg Near there recently. The broad gauge tracks are only used for commuter trains on this route, 1998 (this is out of Adilaide): http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/TA30xx-1.jpg The long distance trains to Melbourne use the standard gauge as can be seen here with the "Overland." 1998: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/TA30xx-2.jpg A TransAdelaide train (car): http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ajh/trains/sa/TA30xx-4.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <15366829.1091569245_@_rdu25-24-047.nc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:40:45 -0400 From: "Mark A. Thomas" Subject: (rshsdepot) [railroad_depots_west] New depot pictures added to site (fwd) The following message is off a low-volume list called Railroad Depots West. Depot photos at http://www.cbassweb.com/railroads - --Mark - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:25 PM +0000 From: tarfh To: railroad_depots_west_@_yahoogroups.com Subject: [railroad_depots_west] New depot pictures added to site Hi all, I have finally got around to scanning my old slides and have posted pictures of the following depots to my website at www.cbassweb.com/railroads so... if you are interested, come take a look. The links to the depot pages is near the bottom of the home page. Santa Fe depots: Barstow, CA '84 Cardiff-by-the-Sea (or maybe Leucadia?), CA '82 Calsbad, CA '82 Corona, CA '84 Del Mar, CA '82 Escondido, CA '84 Fallbrook, CA sometime in the 50's (picture by a friend of mine) Grand Canyon, AZ '74 Hemet, CA '82 Lake Elsinore, CA '83 Oceanside, CA '82 & '83 Perris, CA '83 Riverside, CA '84 San Diego, CA '83 Victorville, CA '83 (could be UP or joint) Rock Island depot: Walters, OK '95 Nevada California & Oregon/Great Western depots: Alturas, CA date unknown Lakeview, OR date unknown Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal (street entrance) '80 Portland Union Station '83 Southern Pacific depots: Cottonwood, CA early 80's Lone Pine, CA late 90's Newberg, OR '81 Orland, CA early 80's Union Pacific depots Riverside, CA '84 (burned out) Troutdale, OR '81 Victorville, CA '83 (could be ATSF's or joint) Virginia & Truckee depots: Gold Hill, NV '00 And finally, an unknown depot (can anyone tell me where it is-was- located?) Craig - ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Pictures of stations, bridges, etc. could be used by prospective saboteurs to predetermine where they might place explosive or antipersonnel devices. Otherwise, they'd be forced to simply walk in, look around, and figure it out on the spot, poor things. Restrictions on photographing transit installations were, I believe, common in Europe during WW II and in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. When I visited Budapest in 1972, I was strictly forbidden to photograph stations; when I visited in 1999 or so, the only obstacle to my shooting was a local prostitute who assumed that any solo male with a good camera might have money to spare for other forms of enjoyment. > I think it is paranoia to the extreme and totally pointless....satellite > photos on the internet I can understand, they actually could be used for > positioning for long range attacks, . . . I also don't give the terrorists > much credit > for intricate knowledge of much, after all they used box cutters and in > Oklahoma a bomb made of fertilizer was used.... And a few tons of ammonium nitrate were recently stolen in North Carolina. Ivan Berger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4110D5B7.DAAB5E4_@_comcast.net> References: <003a01c46e23$b113ebc0$6b2ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:25:27 -0400 From: Ivan Berger Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) El addition Paul Luchter wrote: > The now closed north division of the Staten Island Rapid Transit is elevated on the western portion through Port Richmond, the closed elevated station is still there. > > Foreign wise I am still checking. Hamburg has the Hochbahn, Berlin had an elevated line, I have found amazing images on line. Liverpool- I once sent stuff about that. Paris may have had one once, Copenhagen maybe....The Hague had the first Elevated Railway. Tokyo had one, I am not sure it still exists... Parts of the Paris metro are elevated, for example in the vicinity of the Bir Hakeim station. (It's named after the locale of a WW II battle, I belive.) And if I recall correctly, parts of the Yamanote (circle) line in Tokyo are elevated, though I know for sure that other parts are underground. Incidentally, if you want to see some beautifully decorated transit cars, check out http://www.mediatinker.com/yamanote29/ (scroll down) - -Ivan Berger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000401c47a21$2eff28c0$b322f7a5_@_paul> References: <000701c46798$c9b838c0$0d30f7a5@paul> <4110CF7F.B4C9E142@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:47:19 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ OK, whatever. I know if I wanted to go in a subway tunnel, it probably wouldn't be so hard, are they guarding every entrance in Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens....I was once hassled in 1970 or so for taking pictures with an instamatic in a subway station, a cut and cover station....I thought the original rules had to do with either flash powder and engineers with no dead man brake at the time, or paranoia about stations as bomb shelters in the 1950s... Is aluminum nitrate what the Oklahoma City bomber used? Whatever, I don't like harassment so will restrict myself to abandoned structures in the middle of a field near nothing important Paul PS- Ammonium nitrate could be made in your backyard I presume, isn't it like a basic formula or something....Maybe they should guard such stuff better if they really cared, and since they don't want to keep gun background checks on gun purchases after 48 hours but care more about library records I wonder how serious they really are anyway - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Berger" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ > > > Paul Luchter wrote: > > > Will someone please tell me what the security reason is for this aversion to > > photography? It seems rather senseless. > > Only about 99% senseless. Pictures of stations, bridges, etc. could be used by > prospective saboteurs to predetermine where they might place explosive or > antipersonnel devices. Otherwise, they'd be forced to simply walk in, look > around, and figure it out on the spot, poor things. Restrictions on > photographing transit installations were, I believe, common in Europe during WW > II and in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. When I visited Budapest in 1972, > I was strictly forbidden to photograph stations; when I visited in 1999 or so, > the only obstacle to my shooting was a local prostitute who assumed that any > solo male with a good camera might have money to spare for other forms of > enjoyment. > > > I think it is paranoia to the extreme and totally pointless....satellite > > photos on the internet I can understand, they actually could be used for > > positioning for long range attacks, . . . I also don't give the terrorists > > much credit > > for intricate knowledge of much, after all they used box cutters and in > > Oklahoma a bomb made of fertilizer was used.... > > And a few tons of ammonium nitrate were recently stolen in North Carolina. > > Ivan Berger > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004101c47a71$77ef96a0$4430f7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:21:58 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Washington (U.S. Navy) Bangor, Washington (Kitsap County) [not sure yet which RR, GN, Burlington or NP] Or always U.S. Navy It is at the end of the dashed line (United States Navy Railroad). Note how they leave Seattle off this map: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/psp/psp-map.jpg This is the current Puget Sound & Pacific RR since 1997. Bought from BNSF. Originally the Puget Sound & Grays Harbor Railroad (1890). Northern Pacific bought Summit to Montesano at the same time..By 1892 the lines on this map were completed. A page of pictures of a 2001 excursion train on the PS& P yields no structures in any picture: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/psp/excursions.html They only went as far as Bremerton anyway. Here is the best picture: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/psp/passenger-027.jpg I found a history of railroads in the Grays harbor area, which is the western end of this line..I love the Cosmopolis name ("City of the World"): http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/ghrr.html Nice map: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~davison/images/gh/image041.jpg Bangor is also a U.S. Ammunition Depot.... There is a U.S. Naval Submarine Base at Bangor. On the easy shore of Hood Canal. Wow, a lot of the text is censored....all I am looking for is a railroad station, no subs, no strategic weapons... Here is a pageful of pictures of the Delta Refit Pier, the Trident Refit Facility, submarines and other naval facilities: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/bangor.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <3908235.1091653169_@_rdu25-24-047.nc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:59:29 -0400 From: "Mark A. Thomas" Subject: (rshsdepot) North Carolina passenger cars This doesn't relate to depots, but some of those who attended the RSHS convention in Raleigh several years ago rode in the Mt. Mitchell, a full-length dome car. The state decided it's too expensive to update it to the latest updated FRA regulations, and is now selling it. Via Ebay! Minimum bid is $285,000. (The state apparently sold a ferry boat via Ebay.) The below article is out of the Raleigh News & Observer. It does sort of imply that all RR lines in North Carolina are owned by the state (only Charlotte to Greensboro to Raleigh to Morehead City), but I think is generally fairly accurate. Also quotes Steve Barry. - --Mark Thomas Published: Aug 4, 2004 Modified: Aug 4, 2004 12:10 PM N.C. to auction six rail cars online By BONNIE ROCHMAN, The Associated Press RALEIGH, N.C. -- Ever dreamed of working on the railroad? Now you can. A minimum bid of $185,000 will put you in the running for a rail car that has been converted by the state into an office. It will be offered for sale on eBay in the next month or so. Five other cars also will go on the online auction block. The car in question was built in 1924 with an open platform hugging the end, the kind of narrow metal platform you see in history books with presidential candidates waving elegantly as the train puffs away. Until recently, it had computers and makeshift cubicles in the main area; now club chairs take their place. Railroad cars, like people, have life histories. They've traveled the country, traversing thousands of miles of track, crossing trestles, chugging through metropolises and mere shadows of communities. These six cars came to North Carolina bundled together as a family. Buy one, buy them all, was the deal, and North Carolina did. The state paid $650,000 in 1996 to buy the lot from Nebraska's Union Pacific Railroad. The piece de resistance, renamed the Mount Mitchell, is a 1952 full-length dome car, one of the first of its kind. Soon after the state bought it, the car was overhauled and outfitted with new mechanical, electrical, HVAC, brake, coupler and draft gear systems at a cost of $858,000. It was used to ferry passengers to Carolina Panthers games in Charlotte and as a first-class car on the line from Raleigh to Charlotte. It even played host to Santa during the holiday season. Julia Hegele, who does marketing for the state rail division, said she has fielded many a call from people wanting to know the next time they can ride the dome car. She has to break the bad news: never. "I feel like a mean parent taking candy away from children, because people really love that car," she said. Of course, it can be yours for at least $285,000. Not long after the cars were bought, the federal government changed its guidelines for emergency window exits and rollover strength. The state complied with the emergency exits but decided it made no sense financially to modify the dome car to meet rollover requirements. That means it is no longer fit for public passenger service. The state last used it for passenger service in 2002. The two sleeper cars, for sale for a minimum bid of $185,000 each, were leased by Norfolk Southern or CSX until 2003. The business car - price tag: $185,000 - and the dining car - $20,000 - were converted to offices and classrooms in 1996 and used until 2001. The power car, which housed the generator, was stripped in 1998, its parts sold at surplus in 2003. Its shell will be auctioned for a starting bid of $25,000. North Carolina is fairly unusual in that it owns its own railroad tracks. Amtrak operates the Carolinian, which sends trains from New York to Charlotte and back daily. The Piedmont began service in 1995, traveling from Raleigh to Charlotte each morning and back to Raleigh each evening. At the time, Amtrak didn't have cars it could put into service, so the state had to buy its own equipment. The dome car was the only car of the six being auctioned that was used in regular service. That's because the state Board of Transportation decided after the purchase that it didn't have the money to rehabilitate the set, said Allan Paul, assistant director of operations for the rail division. And that's why they're now for sale. "We don't want them to just sit here and rust away to nothing," he said. Yet that is just what's happening to some, as they spend day after day in the unrelenting heat of summer. The green and yellow dining car has brushed silver tiebacks to hold curtains, but its underbelly and roof are chipped and rusted. Mary Alice Sechler, the state's surplus property officer, said her office is negotiating with eBay about the company's cut for brokering the sales. North Carolina has already sold other excess property, from baseball cards seized as part of drug busts to state ferries, on eBay. The market is only increasing, she said. Patrick Simmons, director of the state's rail division, doesn't anticipate having much trouble selling the cars. A few years ago, a railroad fan magazine ran a photo of the dome car. The state was deluged with calls. Freight railroads, museums or private businesses that lease cars for excursions may be interested, Simmons said. "We've had interest from people locally and from other governments and from railroads and museums," he said. Steve Barry, managing editor of Railfan & Railroad magazine, said this is one of the first times he has heard of rail cars being auctioned on eBay. He speculated that a tourist railroad or tour company would covet the dome car, with its curved floor-to-ceiling windows. Anyone who would want to buy such a car would need deep pockets, he said. "A rail car is like a big boat," he said. "You've got to be rich and famous." Aside from the price, there is a potential caveat emptor. EBay items are usually shipped by their sellers. In this case, though, North Carolina wants nothing to do with that. Buyers are responsible for picking up their prizes. And the Mount Mitchell, the domed gem of the bunch, weighs 185,000 pounds. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00d901c47a89$4688dfa0$4430f7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:12:22 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Elevated Railway- London, The Docklands Light Railway, Part One Another series, I was going to wait until I finished Bangor, but perhaps it is time for the elevated series. I am also sure that many don't click through all the pictures. This one if I don't split it will have 43 links, but I will say that most are choice. The Docklands Railway was expanded as part of the project for the Millennium celebration. It opened in 1987. And as you will see it is an elevated, an automated and clean one, for sure, but it shadows the streets and has buildings around it in London. It has a little bit of underground, but mostly it is elevated. It is mostly on old railway right-of-ways. It is an elevated: http://www.photopolis.co.uk/2vehicles/dlrl.jpg http://www.biblelife.co.uk/life/pics/docklandrailway.jpg http://www.tfl-vcs.co.uk/tfl/about/report-library/annual-reports/2003/media/photo-docklands-mid.jpg http://home.arcor.de/fredrik.matthaei/London_Underground/Docklands_Light_Railway_1997.jpg http://home.arcor.de/fredrik.matthaei/London_Underground/DLR_Zug_im_Spiegelbild_1997.jpg http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/learning/online_resources/ecobus_omnibus/image/1041.jpg http://www.mykreeve.net/london/docklands/docklands_construction_site_england_flag.jpg Some is underground: http://www.rail.ac/travel/uk1998/dockland.jpg These docks have a rich history; nationalized in 1908. Here is a bit of rail action at the Albert Dock Basin: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd05_albertd1909.jpg London Dock closed 1968, all other docks close by 1981. A map of the original Docklands Railways: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dockrailmap.jpg One of the old railways whose routes the Docklands Light Railway uses was the Beckton Railway. Manor Way Station on the Beckton Railway, 1908: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd25_manorwaystation1908.jpg A "level crossing" on the Beckton Ry.: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd22_levelcrossbeckton.jpg The Docklands Light Railway was built on the remains of the London & Blackwell Ry. Here is a map of the L&B: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/blackwallrailmap.jpg Blackwell Railway Terminus near current DLR East India station: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/ml06_blackwallterminal.jpg Platforms at Blackwell Terminus: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/lir01_blackwallstation.jpg The DLR at East India Dock, 1995, next to Brunswick Power Station: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/images/dedlreindia1.jpg http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/images/dedlreindia3.jpg DLR East India Station: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/images/dedlreindia2.jpg A neat story of one man who rode the last London and Blackwell Ry. passenger train on the Millwall Viaduct and the last DLR on the viaduct before rerouting to new construction. The viaduct unused is a protected landmark.: http://metadyne.tripod.com/pics/MillwallViaduct.jpg About the DLR conversion of the North London Line: http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/latest_news/details.asp?id=66 More: http://www.city.ac.uk/languages/images/docklands%20light%20railway%20picture%201.jpg Here is a map of the DLR: http://www.voyagenow.com/travel-references/en/media/b/b4/docklands_light_railway.png Note the two separate terminals in central London to the west. More detailed DLR map: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/gblondlr.gif Airport extension map: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/gblcytrack.gif Many pictures here, an old viaduct, the underground Bank station and many other interesting pictures and maybe all you might ever need to know about the DLR. Get there early for a front window seat: http://metadyne.tripod.com/DLRgenPhots.html The multiple unit trains are driverless. Some of the DLR stations are amazing, and some play off the many of the Railway Terminal sheds around London. (There are 11 of these in London, actually 14, it is quite amazing, but that will come (much) later. Docklands Station (Canary Wharf) (1987) (Dockands Light Railway, London Docks to London Center) This is a new station and it has an arch roof! Even if this is a failed project (is it?), it is so neat.: http://www.lado.ne.jp/colu/uk/images/docklands_station.jpg Canary Wharf Station (from other side): http://www.urban75.org/photos/london/images/lon283.jpg http://www.mykreeve.net/london/docklands/dlr_towards_canary_wharf.jpg http://home.arcor.de/souvenirs/gb/4497a.jpg Oh the parabola of it all! Inside Canary Wharf DLR station: http://www.buyimage.co.uk/photonet/canary/images/13.jpg http://www.mykreeve.net/london/docklands/canada_square_canary_wharf_dlr_roof.jpg And a matching station entrance for the underground: Canary Wharf Underground Tube Station, London. Entrance: http://www.biblelife.co.uk/life/pics/canarywhalfstation.jpg A parabola. Jubilee Line station. http://www.mykreeve.net/london/docklands/canary_wharf_tube_station.jpg The Concourse at this station: http://www.mykreeve.net/london/docklands/canary_wharf_tube_escalator.jpg DLR Tower Gateway Station entrance: http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/thumb/4/4a/300px-Towergateway.jpg http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/dlr/images/stations/photos/towergate.jpg The DLR has been extended three times and will be extended to London City Airport by 2005. More expansion is planned. 60 million riders a year by 2006 is projected. Opened 1987 between Tower gateway , Island Gardens and Stratford. Here is the Cross Harbour Station next to London Arena: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/images/dedlrxharb1.jpg The DLR at Beckton Park, 1995: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dld04_rail&roadrollercoater.jpg DLR at Royal Albert 1998: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/images/lightrailway.jpg http://www.conscape.com/docklands3.jpg Steam train at Gallions Station at Gallions Hotel: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dockrailmap.jpg Gallions Hotel: 1883: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd23_gallionshotel1883.jpg 1971: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd24_gallionshotel1971.jpg Tramway Bascule Bridge open at Royal Albert Docks: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/eh12_basculebrtramway.jpg Connaught Swing Bridge: http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd18_connaughtswingbr.jpg You can access pictures of each of the 35 stations on the DLR here, start on this page for Stratford Station: http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/dlr/stations/stratford.shtml ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00ea01c47aa3$4bbfdea0$0200000a_@_BobXP> References: <004101c47a71$77ef96a0$4430f7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:18:43 -0700 From: "Bob Harbison" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Washington (U.S. Navy) I was on the Bangor base a few years back doing some work on the rail lines. I don't recall seeing any stations, and usually I'll remember seeing them. I do know they have an enginehouse on site, but I seem to recall it's a fairly generic wood or steel military building. I don't know if there was a station there in years past, I would think they might have had passenger service from Bremerton at some time? Not sure... > Here is a pageful of pictures of the Delta Refit Pier, the > Trident Refit Facility, submarines and other naval facilities: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/bangor.htm Cool... They're rounding up railfans for taking photos of train bridges while the real terrorists can sit at home with a fast internet connection and get satellite photos and coordinates. By the way, the Navy will not confirm that they have any nuclear weapons on the base, but they take the security very seriously, and certainly behave as if they have something big there. The have signs all over saying "restricted area - use of deadly force authorized" and getting on site takes some serious security checks. There was a novel about somebody stealing a sub from there a few years back. Made for great fun to read, but having been on site I have no doubt that anyone who is stupid enough to try getting anywhere close to that pier without authorization would look like Swiss cheese in no time at all. Those folks mean business and they have the firepower to back it up... If we ever get another project there, I'll try and see if I can find out anything about a station past or present, on the site... Bob Harbison - Bob_@_RailroadInfo.com http://www.RailroadForums.com - Railroad Discussion Forum and Photo Gallery http://www.RailroadData.com - Railroad Links Directory and Search Engine http://www.RailroadPix.com - Railroad Photo Gallery http://www.RailroadBookstore.com - Railroad Books at Discount Prices ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #962 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006001c47b10$eb901cc0$0100a8c0_@_mshome.net> References: <200408050934.i759Y0Ep024334_@_net.bluemoon.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:23:26 -0400 From: "Alexander D. Mitchell IV" Subject: (rshsdepot) North Carolina eBay auction > >From Archives_@_Railfan.net > Message-ID: <3908235.1091653169_@_rdu25-24-047.nc.rr.com> > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:59:29 -0400 > From: "Mark A. Thomas" > Subject: (rshsdepot) North Carolina passenger cars > > This doesn't relate to depots, but some of those who attended the RSHS > convention in Raleigh several years ago rode in the Mt. Mitchell, a full-length > dome car. The state decided it's too expensive to update it to the latest > updated FRA regulations, and is now selling it. Via Ebay! Minimum bid is > $285,000. (The state apparently sold a ferry boat via Ebay.) > This is not even the first time that North Carolina has sold rail equipment on eBay. A couple months ago, the North Carolina Ports Authority declared three ex-Beaufort & Morehead Fairbanks-Morse H12-44's surplus. In their infinite wisdom, they turned over the most historic and best-condition one of the trio, along with all the spare parts and tools, to the North Carolina Transportation Museum, them put the other two (one with friction bearings and one with roller bearings) up on eBay. Both were sold to none other than the steam-locomotive-collecting Ohio Central Railroad, for a combined total of around $60K as I recall. They had to do truck swaps to ship the locos one at a time. It's my understanding that the NCTM was offered its pick of the to-be-auctioned cars, but justifiably rejected all of them because of lack of true North Carolina historical value. (They *did* get an F40PH from Amtrak, and apparently they're "blaming" me for that acquisition........... but I digress........) For a state agency, North Carolina's surplus agency (the ones in charge of the eBay auctions) is nothing short of brilliant. The "word" on this fleet going on eBay hit the private-car and rail-preservation grapevine months ago, and every additional stall by North Carolina (and every article like the Raleigh one) only adds to the hype. In its current condition, the dome could sell to a serious operation like the Grand Canyon RR or Alaska RR tour operators for over a million dollars. The serious buyers have now had the time to inspect the cars, get their money in order, and prepare for shipment if necessary. And by the way, as an aside, if you go to the Yahoo Group I run, "TheDomeCar" (a free-wheeling commentary forum about railroad media, literature, etc.), you'll see an interior shot of that dome. (Shameless Plug: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheDomeCar/ ; additional members welcome......) Now, what can I add about rail stations?................ Well, the NCTM also has a station relocated to their grounds...... http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/spencer/barber-jct.htm Alexander D. Mitchell IV Baltimore, MD ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040805195732.7314.qmail_@_web20627.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darren E. Hadley" Subject: (rshsdepot) New Depots photographs posted I've added new photographs of the Englewood, and both Littleton, Colorado depots to my RailImages.com album Direct URL: http://www.railimages.com/gallery/Depots ===== Darren E. Hadley stourbridge_lion_@_yahoo.com DHVM Web Master http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm BLHS Member http://www.bridge-line.org DHCHS Member http://www.canalmuseum.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #963 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004901c47c25$91aa2e60$5b18f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 22:23:42 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, South Australia, Part 3 (The Glenelg interurban, trams of Adelaide and Port Adelaide, the O-Bahn busway, doubledecker rolley buses and unique hospital railway cars) Part 3 has to do with the interurban in Adelaide, and the trams (streetcars) in Adelaide and Port Adelaide. Adelaide Tram history can be found here: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/adelhist.html Electrified 1908, trams still run in Adelaide Adelaide trams: First electric tram in Adelaide, 1898, this open top double decker on the Juliens Patent Electric Traction Co., a storage battery system of Edmond Julien : http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05550/B5468.jpg Horse drawn (from 1880) double deck tram, before 1910: http://www.statelibrary.vic.gov.au/pictoria/b/1/7/im/b17918.jpg http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an20886593-22-v n.d.- 9 in a row on City Street: http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/060/06086r.jpg I wonder why. To Magill, c. 1880: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/26180/B26075.jpg A meet on King William Street, c. 1900: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/62250/B62219.jpg 1900 in front of First Bank of Australia: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/62500/B62348.jpg c. 1905: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/19750/B19668.jpg King William Street, 1905: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/20770/B20714.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/55000/B54885.jpg "Caricature of horse car driven through streets, 1905: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/39750/B39749.jpg c. 1908: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/19750/B19616_3.jpg Adelaide & Suburban Tramways, 1899: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/27180/B26980.jpg 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/11090/B11037.jpg King William St., 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/55500/B55420.jpg Adelaide Tramways electric tram, c. 1908: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/19750/B19616_2.jpg Trial trip, 1908: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/24510/B24342.jpg Official opening, 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05060/B4999.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/39500/B39346.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05550/B5489.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/07570/B7450.jpg City Bridge, North Adelaide, 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/08470/B8388.jpg Very nice shot, interesting trolley poles, North Terrace, south side, 1909: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/04550/B4364.jpg Route 48 to Rosalie: http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/uhtbin/hyperion-image/BCC-B54-3804K Grenfell Street, c. 1910: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/09390/B9239.jpg n.d. Victoria Square: http://libapp.sl.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/spydus/ENQ/PM/FULL1?391276,I Click on for bigger picture) http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/bcp/032/03236r.jpg Botanic Road, 1912: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/27780/B27584_4.jpg Last horse bus to Burnside, 1915: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/36840/B36685.jpg A meet on King William Rd, c. 1916: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/45400/B45178.jpg King William St, 1922: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60250/B60153.jpg King William Rd., 1925. Note Tram Control Point tower on the left: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60250/B60147.jpg King William St., 1927: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60250/B60151.jpg King William St., 1928: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/60750/B60683.jpg Municipal Tramways Centennial car, 1936: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/08470/B8334_46.jpg 1937 aerial: http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an7678450-v Trolleybus and tram, 1937: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/10100/B9905.jpg Not called trambus... Double Deck trolley bus on Port Road, Adelaide, 1941: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/10590/B10507.jpg Double Deck trolley bus, 1952: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/13040/B12885.jpg Trolley Bus c. 1953 (0perated to early 1960s): http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/26180/B26176.jpg The interurban line took over a rail line in 1929. The railroad had been The Adelaide and Glenelg Railway. Here is its opening 9/9/1873 at Glenelg: http://statelibrary.vic.gov.au/miscpics/0/0/1/im/mp001928.jpg The "H:" cars, built in 1929, are the oldest streetcars still running on a regular route in Australia, they are 75 year old interurban railway cars with windows that only go so far up. New cars in 1930: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05800/B5590.jpg First "Triple-Set" express, c. 1930: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/37580/B37390.jpg Here they are at Glenelg Beach, the last stop, at the water.: http://www.patrick-kaufhold.de/adelaide/tram.jpg This is an interurban route.: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/images/glenelg2.jpg With Palm tree: http://home.online.no/~kjeti-sa/images/Adelaide%20F/Adelaide%20Glenelg%20Tra m.JPG http://lorkers.members.beeb.net/Sydney/Adelaide/TramGleneng.jpg http://www.subways.net/australia/adel_tram.jpg http://members.tripod.com/erktram/images/satram01_2001_lge.jpg http://www.geocities.co.jp/SilkRoad/7429/tram.jpg http://www.calvinbadger.com/travel/australia/part_1/page_4/tram.jpg Glenelg: http://www.macalester.edu/courses/geog61/kpaulson/glenelg_tram.jpg Not the station, other photos show that terminal stop. Here is the Aldelaide-Glenelg line map: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/graphics/glenelg.gif This is the last tram line in this city. It was originally a 1600 MM gauge heavy rail line, converted to 1435 mm gauge in 1929. http://www.ecobusiness.com.au/tram.gif http://www.anzwers.org/free/kmsphotos/Australia/1999/oz99_adelaide_tram.jpg http://www.aussie-info.com/places/sa/adelaide/tram.jpg http://www.subways.net/australia/adelaide.jpg http://www.frogandtoad.com.au/genimages/photos/adelaide/tram.gif http://www.glenelgmotel.com.au/tram.jpg Here it is downtown Victoria Square: Then, with streetcars, probably same "H" cars around the Square: Here is Victoria Square in old days, undated: http://mview.museum.vic.gov.au/paimages/mm/000/PA000335.JPG Now, with interurban, now in the park: http://lorkers.members.beeb.net/Sydney/Adelaide/TramAdelaide.jpg http://www.tramsandtrolleybuses.com/09af44d0.jpg http://www.clubplus.com.au/progressive/Images/Tour%20Images/TramatGlenelg.jp g Arriving and departing: http://www.tramsandtrolleybuses.com/09cf44d0.jpg http://home.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~wasner/Galleries/Australien/adelaide- trambahn.JPG http://www.railpage.org.au/aetmsa/images/pnv-4926.jpg http://www.wowest.com.au/1Adelaide_tram.jpg http://www.abcproject.com/pictures/images/oct/reg/tramad.jpg http://www.sunnyundmike.de/Adelaide/Tram.jpg In 2000 the Olympic Torch rode the tram from Glenelg to Morphetville. Inside a car: 1930: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/05800/B5591.jpg now: http://www.splitrockllamas.com/TramRidetoGlenlg.jpg http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~adelaide/images/adelaide/traffic/tram0052.jpg One car #362 has been restored to its original 1929 appearance, ran on 70th anniversary and is now at museum. Original clor was silver.: http://www.railpage.org.au/aetmsa/images/pnv-3671.jpg map: http://www.clubplus.com.au/progressive/Images/Tour%20Images/map.gif Here is the Restaurant Tram in Adelaide: http://www.clubplus.com.au/progressive/tour3.htm The old tram terminal, Fort MacQuerie: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/images/ft_macq.jpg Port Adelaide had its own isolated tram lines. Opening of electric tram system at Port Adelaide in front of Town hall, 1917: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/47820/B47722.jpg http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/44620/B44602.jpg 1917: http://143.216.21.253/mpcimg/44620/B44601.jpg Here is a Port Adelaide Birney at St. Kilda on a museumrun.: http://austtrams.tripod.com/sapres/sap02.jpg There is also an O-Bahn guided busway in Adelaide. The plan had been to extend the Glenelg line to Tea Tree with a tunnel through a mountain, but this busway went in instead. I personally despise this type system. Here is on the Adelaide- Tea Tree Plaza route (NE suburbs): http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/images/obahn2.jpg http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/images/obahn1.jpg This was done instead of reinstalling the old tram line on this route. Adalaide rail, tram and O-Bus map: http://www.reed.edu/~reyn/ADELAIDE.2.GIF Some unique cars in Australia.. Camp Train cars, c. 1915, Commonwealth Railways: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/cr75.jpg The Hospital car: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/cr72.jpg The Hospital Car 1916: http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/graphics/photos/cr58.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #964 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4114E882.11B51A97_@_comcast.net> References: <005801c46c66$44c5e360$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:34:42 -0400 From: Ivan Berger Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) DoubleDecker at Union Station, Columbus, Ohio c. 1907-1915 Paul Luchter wrote: > Union Station c. 1910-1915: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rocky/PostcardHTML/unionsta_columbus.htm > This is exquisite. People would visit Columbus more if it still looked like this I used to know someone who lived in that building. It was part of the station complex, but apparently not the station itself -- the latter was a more modest, red brick building behind it, down at track level. You got to the station by driving through an archway (as i recall, it was to the right of the area shown in the photo); the tracks ran through an underpass beneath the road the building shown is on. My friend was an artist who had spotted the building's possibilities, discovered it was vacant, and rented a section of it from the railroad. Her section had apparently been used by a beer distributor for receiving deliveries by rail; it had a large, garage-like basement where the beer wagons used to be, accessible from a driveway that ran around the left side of the building. The basement was large enough that she and a friend restored a Chinese junk there -- a 34-footer, as I recall. The ground floor was a vast space, two generous stories high, into which she'd put a kitchen with a sleeping loft above it; on the top was a large room with windows on all four sides, perfect for studio use. Alas, I've lost track of her -- she married the friend who helped her restore the junk, but first made him change his name (which was Krapp); if anyone knows them, I'd be happy to hear from them again. - -Ivan Berger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4114EE2E.95AAB359_@_comcast.net> References: <000701c46798$c9b838c0$0d30f7a5@paul> <4110CF7F.B4C9E142@comcast.net> <000401c47a21$2eff28c0$b322f7a5@paul> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:58:54 -0400 From: Ivan Berger Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ Paul Luchter wrote: > Is aluminum nitrate what the Oklahoma City bomber used? It's ammonium nitrate, and yes. > PS- Ammonium nitrate could be made in your backyard I presume, isn't it like > a basic formula or something....Maybe they should guard such stuff better if > they really cared, and since they don't want to keep gun background checks > on gun purchases after 48 hours but care more about library records I wonder > how serious they really are anyway After the IRA started using ammonium nitrate in bombs, Europe started tracking and controlling sales of it; we don't do that, here, so the only time eyebrows get raised is when it's used for explosives or a bunch gets stolen (as recently happened down South someplace -- 2.3 tons, as I recall). Ammonium nitrate is not explosive in itself -- you mix it somehow with fuel oil. There are ways to treat the nitrate granules so the fuel oil won't interact with them, while the nitrate remains water-soluble for fertilizer use; this may already be in use in Europe, but not here. - -Ivan Berger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #965 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <41162EEC.FF633138_@_comcast.net> References: <007001c46bb2$c00329c0$1826f7a5_@_paul> <004d01c46c42$110b4890$6101a8c0@NewComputer> <003501c46c49$d5b5f260$1a2ff7a5@paul> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:47:24 -0400 From: Ivan Berger Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway Paul Luchter wrote: > This I know but this is similar to the 4th Avenue (Park Ave. ) NY and Harlem > tunnel. Anyway I always found it odd that in San Jose, Cal., an underground > walkway like at the SP station, was called a subway, as I think it might be > in London as well. Back in the '50s, I was mystified by a sign in the Waterbury, CT NYNH&HRR station pointing to "Subway." I had been to New York and ridden subways there, and I knew Waterbury had no subway trains. Turns out it was an underground passage to the opposite track. - -Ivan Berger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <011101c47dd8$4fcf2540$fd25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:15:42 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Deptford Station, (London, Eng.), 1936, Spa Road Station (1936), others on the London & Greenwich Deptford station is one of the oldest suburban stations in the world; in south-east London, England, built c. 1836-1838; part of the first suburban railroad, railway service- The London and Greenwich Railway, between London Bridge and Greenwich. The tracks ran on a viaduct supported by arches, resembling a Roman aqueduct. This raised it above the level of the surrounding property, which reduced the amount of land that had to be purchased. Thus this was an elevated railroad, though not an actual rapid transit Elevated. Originally, the railway's viaduct had a tree-lined walkway adjacent to it, which in 1839 alone, was used by 120,000.pedestrians at a charge of a penny each.: http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/learning/online_resources/ecobus_omnibus/image/031 1.jpg Deptford station. Opened 1836.: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/lewisham/deptford/deptford-station-0101 2-640.jpg Here is a page on the oldest surviving railway station in London, Deptford station: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/deptford/deptford-station.htm 1968 near station: http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/LewishamVoices/DailyLife/images/0afi00aq.jpg Deptford Bridge station from the air: http://www.dlrdaisy.co.uk/extension/lcy/airport/b1.jpg A coal train in Deptford: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/roncoombs/Grove%20Street,%20large%20pic.jpg The railway viaduct to Deptford Creek: http://www.paulsdeptford.freeserve.co.uk/Images/viaduct1.jpg While the station still stands it seems no one has taken a picture of it and put it on line. The London and Greenwich Railway opened Feb. 8, 1836 from Spa Road (at Bermondsey) in London to Deptford; extended in London to London Bridge station, to Greenwich, 1840, because it first had to cross Deptford Creek: http://members.aol.com/kjwtut/white_family_history/Deptford_creek.JPG The first railway in the world in a Capitol city in the world.: http://transporthistory.tripod.com/rail/Image3-2.jpg By 1844 the line was carrying two million passengers a year. Deptford is now part of London. Here is a "tram" scene in 1909; This is Lewisham, Deptford, New Cross Road: http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/uk/images/uk_london_deptfordbroadwa y.jpg (The Broadway Theatre was built 1897, knocked down 1960s) Here is the Greenwich Railway viaduct and very interesting bridge, Neckinger Road, Bermondsey, c. 1840: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/southwark/bermondsey/greenwich-railway- 00294-640.jpg G.F. Bragg lithograph, oh this is so nice, it can't have survived I'm sure. The viaduct had 978 arches.: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RAgreenwich.jpg Here is the Docklands Light Railway station at Deptford: http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/dlr/images/stations/photos/deptford.jpg In 1878 a tunnel was built under Greenwich Park, taking the line via Maze Hill and Westcombe to Charlton. On this 1886 Greenwich map, the railroad is at the bottom heading NE, you can see the tunnel at Blackheath Hill Road: http://transporthistory.tripod.com/rail/1886.jpg Here is Charlton station, c. 1890s-1900s: http://www.casino-avenue.co.uk/photos/history/charlton_station1.jpg Here, opposite direction, c. 1930s-1940s: http://www.casino-avenue.co.uk/photos/history/charlton_station2.jpg Westcombe Park is the next stop towards Greenwich, c. 1900: http://www.casino-avenue.co.uk/photos/history/westcombe_park.jpg A different railroad at Charlton: http://www.bristol-rail.co.uk/charltoncommon.php The Somerset and Dorset Railway: http://www.gebejay.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sdrail7.html Very nice viaducts. Double-deck tram on Woolwich Road, Charlton, July, 1951. This was originally where the electric cars from London met the horse cars from Woolwich: http://dewi.ca/trains/london/pix/n21_2_1.jpg Here is Maze Hill station today: http://www.urban75.org/photos/london/images/lon065.jpg Woolwich station at Vincent Road on the North Kent Railway which came here 1849, in 1993 it was demolished: http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/images/greenwich/woolwich/station-01247-640.jp g North Greenwich station (here c. 1900) was on the Milwall Extension Railway, 1872, with a relation to today's Docklands Light Railway: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/n/north_greenwich/index.shtml The DLR Greenwich station: http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/dlr/images/stations/photos/greenwich.jp g ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <013701c47de1$94f7d500$fd25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:22:07 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Lackawanna excursion to Coney Island See: http://home.att.net/~mforder/mark44.JPG ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <014201c47de2$c27bf140$fd25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:30:32 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) 1885 Lackawanna schedule http://home.att.net/~mforder/mark39b.JPG ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #966 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <60edc86109e7.6109e760edc8_@_optonline.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:34:36 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Tunnel, NY Cohen: Make a date with Tunnel's rail history by ELIZABETH COHEN Folks in Tunnel occasionally joke about the place. "Have you seen the Tunnel airport?" one person who grew up there recently asked me. They chidingly say they went to "Tunnel University" and work at the "Tunnel Industrial Complex." Oh, and we shop at the Tunnel Mall. The truth is, Tunnel comprises about a dozen houses and a U.S. Post Office. Oh, and the tunnel itself, an engineering coup that burrows through Belden Hill off Tunnel Road and pops out 2,239 feet beyond. People get sick of me writing about Tunnel. "Will somebody PLEASE tell ELIZABETH COHEN that she lives in West Colesville and that Tunnel is NOT a town," a reader wrote the last time I went on about the place. OK, he's right. Technically. Long ago, Tunnel started to shrink. The hotels, the railroad depot, the Villecco cheese factory -- all are gone. But a town is a place because of its history, too. And on Tuesday, Tunnel has some major history to commemorate. There will be a celebration from 5 to 6:30 p.m. of the 135th anniversary of the tunnel itself. A plaque will be presented at 5 p.m. at the post office in a commemoration ceremony of the famous "battle of the tunnel." There will be a show of historical photographs and materials relating to the tunnel, and a screening of Saratoga Trunk -- a movie in which the tunnel (as well as Ingrid Bergman and Gary Cooper) has a starring role. For those who are not privy to the story of this historical occasion (where have you been?), the battle took place in 1869 at the rail station at Tunnel. There, two warring railroad barons fought for control of the line. Jay Gould and Jim Fisk of the Erie railroad tried to take over Joseph Ramsey's Albany and Susquehanna line. The tycoons and their hired street-fighters battled it out; trains crashed and one tipped over. In the end, Ramsey's A&S prevailed -- after the governor of New York interceded and put a militia in command until the ownership issue could be sorted out. The A&S was later sold to the Delaware and Hudson. The tunnel is still special today. We look at it each morning when we drive by, a box in the hillside, full of darkness and mystery. It has been enlarged and modernized over the years so it can handle the flow of trains carrying containers full of logs and chemicals and other things we would probably rather not know about. But the coo and chatter of the trains in the evening, the gentle shake of the ground when they pass, the magic way they vanish into the hill -- all make us feel a part of Tunnel. A place we know very much exists, no matter what the maps say. By the way, on Tuesday, there will be snacks, face painting for kids and even a barbershop quartet on hand. Sounds like a party to me. (Bring a can of food for CHOW.) E-mail Cohen at ecohen_@_pressconnects.com. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <65577a657a41.657a4165577a_@_optonline.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:54:36 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) 8th MICHIGAN RAILROAD HISTORY CONFERENCE 8th MICHIGAN RAILROAD HISTORY CONFERENCE St. Ignace, Michigan Saturday, October 2, 2004 Location: Glen Memorial Baptist Church, 219 Truckey Street, St. Ignace, MI 49781. Co-Hosts: Bluewater Michigan Chapter, NRHS, and the Duluth, South Shore and Atlantic Division, SLHTS. (1) Saturday, October 2, 2004: CONFERENCE SCHEDULE ($37.00 prepaid each early, $44.00 on/after September 1): 8:00 am..... Registration: Pick up your prepaid conference packets and enjoy coffee and conversation. 8:45 am..... Introductions. 9:00 am..... "The Railroad Race for the Straits"--Graydon Meints. 9:40 am..... "Railroad Car Ferries"--Charlie Conn. 10:20 am..... Break. 10:30 am..... "Railroad Depots and Other Rail-related Structures of the UP and Northern Lower Peninsula of Michigan--Their History and Architecture"--Mark Camp. 11:10 am..... "The Mackinaw Division of the Michigan Central/ New York Central"--Charlie Conn. 11:50 am..... "The Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad from the Lumbering Era to the Resort Era"--Carl Bajema. 12:30 am..... Buffet Lunch 1:10 pm..... "Manistique and Lake Superior Railroad: The Haywire Line"--Hugh Hornstein. 1:40 pm..... "Iron Mines and Iron Ore Railroads"--Mark Worrall. 2:20 pm..... "Northern Michigan Logging Railroads"--Bruce Gathman & Carl Bajema. 3:00 pm..... Break 3:10 pm..... "The Last Decade of the South Shore: 1950-1960"--Robert Oom. 3:40 pm..... "Soo Line Mixed Trains and Railroad Post Office Service"--Thomas Post. 4:20 pm..... "Somewhere in Time: A Backward Look (to the 1950's) at the Railroads that Entered the Straits of Mackinac Area"--Ron Cady & Neil Plagen. 5:00 pm..... End of the formal conference program. (2) Saturday, October 2, 2004: CONFERENCE AFTERGLOW RECEPTION ($15.00 prepaid): 5:30-7:00 pm..... at Michigan Central Railroad depot/Mackinaw Crossings Depot Restuarant in Mackinaw City. (3) Saturday, October 2, 2004: CONFERENCE DAY SLIDE SHOW: 8:00 pm.....Slides, etc. at Quality Inn, off US-2 west of St. Ignace. ************************************************************************************************************ (4) Friday, October 1, 2004: PRE-CONFERENCE FIELD TRIP: 8:30 am..... Registration at the Quality Inn, 913 Boulevard Dr., (south side of US-2 just west of I-75 interchange). 9:00 am..... Depart Quality Inn parking lot for a guided auto tour of numerous railroads past and present in the eastern upper peninsula of Michigan (St. Ignace, Trout Lake, Soo Junction, Sault Ste. Marie, etc.). (5) Friday, October 1, 2004: PRE-CONFERENCE BANQUET ( Members only. Use DSS&A Registration Form): The Duluth, South Shore and Atlantic Division, SLHTS, will have their annual banquet and business at the Village Inn Restuarant in St. Ignace. (6) Friday, October 1, 2004: PRE-CONFERENCE SLIDE SHOW: 8:00 pm..... Slide show and conversation at Quality Inn and/or Econo Lodge Inn & Suites. ************************************************************************************************************ (7) Sunday, October 3, 2004: POST-CONFERENCE FIELD TRIP: 9:00 am..... Depart Quality Inn parking lot for guided auto tour of northern lower peninsula railroad sites (Mackinaw City, Cheboygan, Pellston, Petoskey, Cadillac and ending at the Haring & Lake City Railroad where we can ride behind two different Shay locomotives on a full scale (1:1) replica railroad on Shay's logging railroad right-of-way at Haring. ************************************************************************************************************ Conference updates will be posted in the News Briefs of www.MichiganRailroads.com and on www.geocities.com/gjdegowski . For more information and registration forms, contact Carl Bajema at bajemacarl_@_comcast.net , at 940 Shawmut Court NW, Grand Rapids, MI 49504 or at 616-791-9010. Feel free to bring appropriate organization information brochures, etc., to share with other attendees. ************************************************************************************************************ For a REGISTRATION FORM email Greg Degowski at gjdegowski_@_comcast.net for an email copy. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009c01c47e78$f4f21e60$7219f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:25:40 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Wisconsin (CNW & Milwaukee Road) {(well, more La Crosse, Wash. than La Crosse, Wisc.) (Boscobel, Oconomowoc, Pepin, the Sturgeon Bay Bridge,...) Bangor, LaCrosse County...named by Welsh immigrants. Iron Railroad Bridge over Dutch Creek: http://www.lacrosseriverstatetrail.org/bangor.htm Webster Industries of Bangor, Wisc. makes treated railroad crossties: http://www.websterindustries.net/crossties.html C&NW and Milwaukee Road paralleled into La Crosse, with the Milwaukee Road (CMSTP&P) actually going to Onalaska just north. La Crosse was also on a CB&Q north-south line. West of Bangor is West Salem and La Crosse, east is Sparta from where the lines go many directions. Just east of Bangor before Sparta there is a Milwaukee Road line south into the hills to Norwalk, Cashton, Westby, from where the line split, to the west Coon Valley and Chaseburg, to the south Viroqua. At Sparta, the CNW heads in two directions, east to Tomah, and a line SE out of Sparta to , Norwalk, Wilton, , Kendall, Elroy, the east line after Tomah heads SE too, to Camp Douglas, New Lisbon. The top line heads to Milwaukee, the one that began SE from Sparta to Madison. The Milwaukee Road east of Sparta, to Wyeville, Necedah, on to Milwaukee. La Crosse is on the west side of state at the Minnesota border. . Just below Elroy there is/was a short branch west from Union Center to Hillsboro. Wisconsin at least, the other side, here is Milwaukee Road, Milwaukee: Ya' know, many people can yak and yak about how great the 50s or 60s was, but when you see this station you will almost cry that, in 1967, this wonderful station as if in Europe, was demolished. What crap replaced it I don't know, but I doubt it could be as distinguished and classy as this one, Chicago, Milwaukee, St, Paul and Pacific railroad, Milwaukee Station (1886-1967): http://www.jsonline.com/desk/histwis/images/railroadbig060799.jpg I wonder if this is a Richardson? On Wisconsin depots, 1901: http://www.apex-ephemera.com/DonsRailroadingBooks/wisconsin-railroading-hist ory-1/chapter9.htm I am surprised I couldn't find a LaCross station picture. Well I did find this Amtrak station, but the picture is crummy: http://trainweb.com/photos/r87316/87316_05.jpg Streamlined locomotive at La Crosse, 1939: http://www.wcwcw.com/graphics/trlc.jpg Which railroad, Milwaukee Road? [Here is Lacrosse, Washington O.R. & N. station, 1908: http://www.wsrhs.org/pict/lcdepot.jpg Maybe this is an earlier station. On the Columbia and Palouse RR: http://www.wsulibs.wsu.edu/holland/masc/finders/images/pc47/87-055.JPG ] I once took one of this car ferries from Kewaunee, Wisconsin: http://www.whrc-wi.org/Craig/images/Kewaunee1.jpg Oconomowoc depot: http://www.friesch-artist.com/Gif%20Images/mornhiod.gif 2000: http://www.byrnes.org/railfan/winter/rr10043.jpg It looks like the only remaining Great Northern depot in Wisconsin is in Superior: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/GNEDepotsWisconsin.htm Whitewater, Wisc. is now a museum. 1997: http://luceline.tripod.com/gallery/depots/photos/0019.jpg Waunakee is now home to the Chamber of Commerce: http://luceline.tripod.com/gallery/depots/photos/0020.jpg Pepin, Wisconsin depot, this is on the Mississippi River, well the station was, it has been moved its Burlington depot to a city park: http://luceline.tripod.com/gallery/depots/photos/0016.jpg Middleton, Wisconsin is west of Madison. The town runs excursion trains to communities west of Madison, dinner trains, Sunday trips. They own a 1955 era trainset, 3 engines and five passenger cars, and even leave this Milwaukee Road depot at Middleton for University of Wisconsin football games in the fall at Camp Randall Stadium on the Wisconsin campus: http://luceline.tripod.com/gallery/depots/photos/0017.jpg Here is their train at the Boscobel stone station: http://luceline.tripod.com/gallery/depots/photos/0018.jpg Green Bay Route bridge over Sturgeon Bay, 1940: http://www.greenbayroute.com/RailroadBridgeSturgeonBay.jpg I think I found nothing from the areas around Bangor, Wisconsin, maybe I should have looked in eastern Minnesota... ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009c01c47e78$f4f21e60$7219f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:03:23 -0500 From: Hudson Leighton Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Wisconsin (CNW & Milwaukee Road) {(well, more La Crosse, Wash. than La Crosse, Wisc.) (Boscobel, Oconomowoc, Pepin, the Sturgeon Bay Bridge,...) >Streamlined locomotive at La Crosse, 1939: >http://www.wcwcw.com/graphics/trlc.jpg Which railroad, Milwaukee Road? CBQ Twin Zephyr, going the old way on the street trackage - -Hudson http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002e01c47eb5$727b9aa0$7219f7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 04:38:39 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Spa Road station, London Spa Road Station (1836, closed 1915) (London & Greenwich Railway) Remnants of the platforms can be seen at Spa Road Junction today, the station front with "Booking Office" is under an arch. London Bridge Station soon became the terminus. The railroad in 1915 at closing was the South Eastern and Chatham Railway. Spa Road Station, 1900: http://www.yellins.co.uk/transporthistory/rail/sparoad.jpg The station was moved in 1842 and renamed 1877 as the Spa Road & Bermondsey Station. Platform in 1968: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/s/spa_road/spa_road1.jpg Local map showing station location: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/s/spa_road/map.gif 60 million bricks were used to build the 834 arch viaduct of the London and Greenwich.: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sackett/saga5.8.gif ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #967 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006701c47f4c$8f155b00$c72af7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:39:39 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor Township, South Dakota (incl. Aberdeen, South Dakota, Pipestone, Minn. & Sioux Falls 5 depots, Wall, Wasta, Rapid City, Watertown, S.D.)) Here we see Bangor Township, Brookings County, South Dakota, 1897: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdbrooki/maps1897/bangor.html 1901: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdbrooki/maps1901/bangor.html And there's the railroad. The Chicago and North Western RR. To the east Volga, Brookings, Aurora, Elkton, and to the west over in Kingsbury County is Arlington, the large city further west Huron, Pierre and Rapid City. This is eastern part of state, in the middle, on the Minnesota border. Three railroads went through north-south in or near this county. Through Arlington comes the Great Northern line from Sioux City on its way north to Watertown, S.D. Next stop north of Arlington is Badger; just west of Brookings, is a CNW line north to Watertown, next stop north is Bruce: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdbrooki/maps1901/brookings.html On the eastern end of Brookings County a north-south Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific line went through Elkton: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdbrooki/maps1897/elkton.html Heading north out of (Hardwick and) Pipestone, Minn., this line headed north Bushnell, White, Toronto, and Brandt in South Dakota before terminating at Clear Lake. The largest city other than Brookings or Watertown near Bangor Township, South Dakota is Madison, S.D. to the south, this had the Milwaukee Road line going east-west through it, and one heading north which goes through Hetland, west of Arlington, and heads far north to the Milwaukee Road line at the north of the state at Bristol and Holquist. Mitchell is another large town West of Madison the north-south Milwaukee Road went through Wolsey, further south on this line is Mitchell. THE CNW opened 1879 to as far west as Volga. South Dakota State College is in Brookings: http://216.247.8.124/pixfiles/3252.jpg The CNW depot, Pierre: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/hughes/postcards/cnwdep.jpg Both this C&NW rail line and the Milwaukee Road from Sioux Falls and Mitchel went to Rapid City Before Rapid City on the CNW is Wall. The Wall depot, 1956: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11371.jpg In 1980, a boxcar had replaced this building: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11378.jpg Wasta depot next stop west: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/pennington/postcards/wcnwdp.jpg Rapid City Milwaukee Road depot, 1980: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11355.jpg Rapid City CNW depot The old depot in 1978: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11354.jpg The "new" depot in 1976: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11356.jpg The Minneapolis & St. Louis Railway depot at Watertown, South Dakota: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/depwatertown.html This line came from St. Paul, milepost 234.1 was Watertown, SD: The line headed WNW to Leola as you see. Wallace, S.D.: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/wallace.jpg Bradley, 1907: http://eldora.net/lyndon/towns/bradley2.jpg M&StL, Aberdeen, South Dakota: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/aberdeen.jpg The C&NW Watertown depot, 1977 (same depot): http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11372.jpg Pipestone, Minnesota: Pre-1913 Great Northern depot: http://www.pipestoneminnesota.com/museum/images/226.jpg The Rock Island depot is the only of four still standing in Pipestone: http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/pipestone/rid.htm (Originally the Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Northern Railroad. The railroad from Pipestone to Sioux Falls was originally the Willmar & Sioux Falls Railroad. Huron, South Dakota C&NW depot with steam train: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/beadle/postcards/cnwdep.jpg the station was also a hotel: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/beadle/postcards/dephot.jpg http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/beadle/postcards/cnwhot.jpg CNW bridge in Huron: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/beadle/postcards/nwbr.jpg The Huron roundhouse: http://pix.epodunk.com/SD/sd_huron01.jpg Madison, S.D. began with the coming of the Milwaukee Road in 1881. The railroad had bypassed Madison, but convinced the residents to relocate their town (along with residents of Herman) to this new Madison. Here is the roundhouse: http://www.madison.k12.sd.us/discoversd/histor3.gif Madison (S.D.) Milwaukee Road depot, 1977: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11336.jpg The very nice Rock Island Station, Sioux Falls, S.D.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/minnehaha/postcards/ridep.jpg Great Northern depot, Sioux Falls, S.D.: http://www.classicrail.com/cards/sd1490.JPEG Burlington Northern depot, Sioux Falls, 1979: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11362.jpg Virtually unchanged. C&NW depot, Sioux Falls, 1980: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11364.jpg Illinois Central Gulf RR, Sioux Falls, 1979, a short castle: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11366.jpg IC came to Sioux Falls from Iowa. Milwaukee Road depot, Sioux Falls, 1980: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11360.jpg Sioux Falls Traction System (1907-1929) meet at Summit and 11th: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/minnehaha/postcards/11sum.jpg http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/minnehaha/postcards/11sum2.jpg http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/sd/htm/sf02.htm The railroad bridge at Dell Rapids: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sd/minnehaha/postcards/rrbr.jpg This was the Great Northern (BN) to Watertown out of Sioux Falls. (Originally the Watertown & Sioux Falls RR) Dell Rapids is in Minnehaha County. Mitchell, SD Milwaukee Road depot: http://www.sd4history.com/Unit6/images/MitchellDepot.jpg 1979: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/7156.jpg Quite a change Redfield is west of Watertown on that Chicago and North Western line, a Milwaukee Road line ran north-south through Mitchel, Wolsey, Redfield to Aberdeen and all the way up to Jamestown, North Dakota. Here is the Midland Continental station in Jamestown, their second depot there. It's upper floors housed the studios of a local radio station in the early 1940's and since 1963 has been the Sullivan's Florists: http://home.att.net/~rrhistry/midcont00037.jpg The C&NW also went n-s from Aberdeen through Redfield to Huron. Here is the CNW depot at Redfield, SD 1915: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~handcosd/Spink/album/redf-depot-teens 580btn.jpg http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~handcosd/Spink/album/redf-depot-train - -col600btn.jpg c. 1916: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~handcosd/Spink/album/redf-depot1916-6 00btn.jpg 1979: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11350.jpg 2002: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~handcosd/Spink/album/redf-depot9-11-0 2-600btn.jpg The old Milwaukee Road depot at Redfield in 1979: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11352.jpg Here is the Pierre Lodge, Black Hills, South Dakota in Rapid Canyon with passenger train http://216.247.8.124/pixfiles/5774.jpg McIntosh, S.D. Milwaukee Road depot. This undated photo is great, you can feel the desolation, the pioneer times in this old photo: http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/corsoncounty/mcintosh_sd_depot.jpg 1980: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/11420.jpg Reduced a story over the years McIntosh is on the "top" of South Dakota, on the northerly Milwaukee Road line through Aberdeen, the one to Seattle. McIntosh is in most northerly North Dakota, west of Walker. Here is concise traction histories of Aberdeen, Rapid City, Sioux Falls and Watertown: http://hometown.aol.com/chirailtwo/trnsitsd.html The South Dakota Rapid Transit and Railroad Company began June 1890, making it one of the earliest traction lines in the World. Sioux Falls to East Sioux Falls. < On Friday, June 13, 1890, at five o’clock in the afternoon, the first trip over the electric motor line was made. Three trips in all were made during the evening of that day, and as this was the first electric train that had ever been run in the state, it was quite an event. Everything worked smoothly, and to the entire satisfaction of the management. On Saturday, June 21, 1890, the motor line commenced running regular trains to East Sioux Falls. For two or three years there was considerable traffic over this line, and during the summers it was largely patronized by picnic parties and pleasure seekers, who invariable enjoyed the seven-mile trip between the two cities. But the enterprise did not prove a good investment, and after considerable struggling against adverse circumstances, it went into the hands of a receiver, and during the summer of 1898 the rails were taken up, and we regret to state, there is now nothing left but the bare roadbed to remind the people that there was at one time a rapid transit railway line between the cities of Sioux Falls and East Sioux Falls.> This from a page of Minnehaha history that includes many railroads: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdsvgs/index86.htm You will even find the elevations of each of the 4 Sioux Falls depots noted. No Rock Island, perhaps this dates the excerpted history. Plus times to principle points on railroads, The Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Northern, Illinois Central, Great Northern, Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul, and the Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha. And no pictures seem to exist, at least on-line. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: References: <007001c46bb2$c00329c0$1826f7a5_@_paul> <004d01c46c42$110b4890$6101a8c0@NewComputer> <003501c46c49$d5b5f260$1a2ff7a5@paul> <41162EEC.FF633138@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:57:59 -0400 From: "tonydawson1 Dawson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway thes_tab.gif (image/gif, 1530 bytes) Sender: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: rshsdepot_@_lists.Railfan.net I have seen the term "subway" in various NEC locations to describe a walkway under the tracks. In fact, this is the primary dictionary definition: Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary One entry found for subway. Main Entry: sub·way Pronunciation: 's&b-"wA Function: noun : an underground way: as a : a passage under a street (as for pedestrians, power cables, or water or gas mains) b : a usually electric underground railway c : UNDERPASS ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Berger To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway Paul Luchter wrote: > This I know but this is similar to the 4th Avenue (Park Ave. ) NY and Harlem > tunnel. Anyway I always found it odd that in San Jose, Cal., an underground > walkway like at the SP station, was called a subway, as I think it might be > in London as well. Back in the '50s, I was mystified by a sign in the Waterbury, CT NYNH&HRR station pointing to "Subway." I had been to New York and ridden subways there, and I knew Waterbury had no subway trains. Turns out it was an underground passage to the opposite track. -Ivan Berger =============================== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #968 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002301c47fd9$c7648160$65884781_@_Customer> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:30:12 -0400 From: Don Mills Subject: (rshsdepot) Operation Lifesaver publishes Rail Photography tips: Please take 5 minutes and look these over. Operation Lifesaver is a National Highway Rail-Grade Crossing program dedicated to saving lives around the railroad tracks. This is a new insert into their safety pamplets that are given out as part of their educational campaign. If you have any questions please drop me an email. Don Mills The following Railside Photography tips have been recently published by Operation Lifesaver International Rail photographers display a great interest in the overall operation of trains and locomotives. They enjoy taking pictures, making videos or just watching railroad operations. However, such recreational activities and hobbies often occur near vital infrastructure and pose significant security concerns. In today's world of insecurity due to terrorism, the rail photographer's first responsibility must be safety and security. Since the aftermath of 9/11, 2001, the rules of behavior for rail enthusiasts have changed. A new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has been created to protect the nation's transportation system and its infrastructure in order to ensure the free movement of people and commerce through North America. TSA is working closely with the U.S. DOT, the A.A.R., O.L., railroad police and local law enforcement to protect the nations transportation system. TSA and its partners urge the following guidelines for railside photography: Do not trespass on railroad property or rights-of-ways-it is illegal and dangerous, and will be viewed by law enforcement as a security risk. Remember that railroad property may extend 200 feet on either side of the tracks. Do not enter private property without permission. Avoid taking pictures of military trains and equipment. Never walk out on a railroad bridge or trestle. Stay out of railroad tunnels Do not climb on railroad property such as signal bridges, cabinets or other structures. Never climb on or crawl under railroad cars or equipment. Only take photographs or view trains from public locations. When taking pictures from public railroad crossings, stay at least 15 feet away from the nearest rail. This rule applies for staged "photo run-bys" as well. Obey all highway rail grade crossing signs and signals. Cooperate fully with railroad police or other law enforcement officers when contacted. If suspicious activities are noted, report it to railroad or local law enforcement officers. DO NOT TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION! By following these guidelines, rail fans can enjoy their hobby and help maintain the security of our nation's rail transportation system. Nearly 1,000 people die each year because they do not understand railroads. They underestimate the power of trains and the dangers around the rails. Operation Lifesaver, a non-profit, national public education program for railroad safety asks you to "walk the talk' when it comes to safe behavior around tracks and trains. People, especially children, learn more from what you DO than what you SAY , especially when they know you are a rail fan. ( I hate the term rail fan.) Remember, most people do not understand that walking or playing on railroad property is trespassing: It is illegal. It can be deadly. Moreover, law enforcement considers it a serious security risk. If you're a railroad photographer, give the crew a break! They have seen too much tragedy and too many close calls already. Please photograph trains from public property only. For your own safety, please stand back at least 15-feet from the nearest rail when filming at a public crossing. You know not to walk across a railroad trestle or into a railroad tunnel. The danger is too great. If your photographs suggest otherwise, you are leading other people into harm's way. Think about it. Resist the temptation to walk down the middle of the railroad tracks, even at a rail museum where trains are not moving. Impressionable children may be tempted to copy your behavior on the railroad tracks near home. What is your message when you pose small children on railroad tracks or equipment for family photos? Are you misleading them to believe it is OK to climb on railcars parked on a siding in your community? Would you like to help deliver Operation Lifesaver's safety messages to driver education students, school bus drivers, professional truckers or others in your community? Volunteer to become a trained Operation Lifesaver Presenter today! For more information or to volunteer: visit the Operation Lifesaver, Inc. (OLI) website at www.oli.org. and click on "Contact Us". Or call 1-800-537-6224 LOOK, LISTEN AND LIVE! Operation Lifesaver, Inc 1420 King Street, Suite 401 Alexandria, VA 22314-2750 1-800-537-6224 703-739-0308 1-800-537-6225 Fax: 703-519-8267 www.oli.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002001c47fd9$a8d9e6e0$65884781_@_Customer> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:28:33 -0400 From: Don Mills Subject: (rshsdepot) Operation Lifesaver publishes Rail Photography tips: Please take 5 minutes and look these over. Operation Lifesaver is a National Highway Rail-Grade Crossing program dedicated to saving lives around the railroad tracks. This is a new insert into their safety pamplets that are given out as part of their educational campaign. If you have any questions please drop me an email. Don Mills The following Railside Photography tips have been recently published by Operation Lifesaver International Rail photographers display a great interest in the overall operation of trains and locomotives. They enjoy taking pictures, making videos or just watching railroad operations. However, such recreational activities and hobbies often occur near vital infrastructure and pose significant security concerns. In today's world of insecurity due to terrorism, the rail photographer's first responsibility must be safety and security. Since the aftermath of 9/11, 2001, the rules of behavior for rail enthusiasts have changed. A new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has been created to protect the nation's transportation system and its infrastructure in order to ensure the free movement of people and commerce through North America. TSA is working closely with the U.S. DOT, the A.A.R., O.L., railroad police and local law enforcement to protect the nations transportation system. TSA and its partners urge the following guidelines for railside photography: Do not trespass on railroad property or rights-of-ways-it is illegal and dangerous, and will be viewed by law enforcement as a security risk. Remember that railroad property may extend 200 feet on either side of the tracks. Do not enter private property without permission. Avoid taking pictures of military trains and equipment. Never walk out on a railroad bridge or trestle. Stay out of railroad tunnels Do not climb on railroad property such as signal bridges, cabinets or other structures. Never climb on or crawl under railroad cars or equipment. Only take photographs or view trains from public locations. When taking pictures from public railroad crossings, stay at least 15 feet away from the nearest rail. This rule applies for staged "photo run-bys" as well. Obey all highway rail grade crossing signs and signals. Cooperate fully with railroad police or other law enforcement officers when contacted. If suspicious activities are noted, report it to railroad or local law enforcement officers. DO NOT TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION! By following these guidelines, rail fans can enjoy their hobby and help maintain the security of our nation's rail transportation system. Nearly 1,000 people die each year because they do not understand railroads. They underestimate the power of trains and the dangers around the rails. Operation Lifesaver, a non-profit, national public education program for railroad safety asks you to "walk the talk' when it comes to safe behavior around tracks and trains. People, especially children, learn more from what you DO than what you SAY , especially when they know you are a rail fan. ( I hate the term rail fan.) Remember, most people do not understand that walking or playing on railroad property is trespassing: It is illegal. It can be deadly. Moreover, law enforcement considers it a serious security risk. If you're a railroad photographer, give the crew a break! They have seen too much tragedy and too many close calls already. Please photograph trains from public property only. For your own safety, please stand back at least 15-feet from the nearest rail when filming at a public crossing. You know not to walk across a railroad trestle or into a railroad tunnel. The danger is too great. If your photographs suggest otherwise, you are leading other people into harm's way. Think about it. Resist the temptation to walk down the middle of the railroad tracks, even at a rail museum where trains are not moving. Impressionable children may be tempted to copy your behavior on the railroad tracks near home. What is your message when you pose small children on railroad tracks or equipment for family photos? Are you misleading them to believe it is OK to climb on railcars parked on a siding in your community? Would you like to help deliver Operation Lifesaver's safety messages to driver education students, school bus drivers, professional truckers or others in your community? Volunteer to become a trained Operation Lifesaver Presenter today! For more information or to volunteer: visit the Operation Lifesaver, Inc. (OLI) website at www.oli.org. and click on "Contact Us". Or call 1-800-537-6224 LOOK, LISTEN AND LIVE! Operation Lifesaver, Inc 1420 King Street, Suite 401 Alexandria, VA 22314-2750 1-800-537-6224 703-739-0308 1-800-537-6225 Fax: 703-519-8267 www.oli.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001901c47ff1$ce5d8da0$4023f7a5_@_paul> References: <002301c47fd9$c7648160$65884781_@_Customer> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:23:15 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Operation Lifesaver publishes Rail Photography tips: This is so lame...I think I will forget photographing anything...since most I have done could be considered trespassing...since one could find anything they wanted about anything on line and I don't think this has anything to do with security at all....why don't they figure out how to protect all the nuclear reactors or something that would actually mean something in fighting "terror" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Mills" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Operation Lifesaver publishes Rail Photography tips: > Please take 5 minutes and look these over. Operation Lifesaver is a National Highway Rail-Grade Crossing program dedicated to saving lives around the railroad tracks. This is a new insert into their safety pamplets that are given out as part of their educational campaign. If you have any questions please drop me an email. Don Mills > > > The following Railside Photography tips have been recently published by Operation Lifesaver International > > > Rail photographers display a great interest in the overall operation of trains and locomotives. They enjoy taking pictures, making videos or just watching railroad operations. However, such recreational activities and hobbies often occur near vital infrastructure and pose significant security concerns. In today's world of insecurity due to terrorism, the rail photographer's first responsibility must be safety and security. > > > > Since the aftermath of 9/11, 2001, the rules of behavior for rail enthusiasts have changed. A new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has been created to protect the nation's transportation system and its infrastructure in order to ensure the free movement of people and commerce through North America. TSA is working closely with the U.S. DOT, the A.A.R., O.L., railroad police and local law enforcement to protect the nations transportation system. > > > > TSA and its partners urge the following guidelines for railside photography: > > > > Do not trespass on railroad property or rights-of-ways-it is illegal and dangerous, and will be viewed by law enforcement as a security risk. Remember that railroad property may extend 200 feet on either side of the tracks. > > > > Do not enter private property without permission. > > > > Avoid taking pictures of military trains and equipment. > > > > Never walk out on a railroad bridge or trestle. > > > > Stay out of railroad tunnels > > > > Do not climb on railroad property such as signal bridges, cabinets or other structures. > > > > Never climb on or crawl under railroad cars or equipment. > > > > Only take photographs or view trains from public locations. > > > > When taking pictures from public railroad crossings, stay at least 15 feet away from the nearest rail. This rule applies for staged "photo run-bys" as well. > > > > Obey all highway rail grade crossing signs and signals. > > > > Cooperate fully with railroad police or other law enforcement officers when contacted. > > > > If suspicious activities are noted, report it to railroad or local law enforcement officers. DO NOT TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION! > > > > By following these guidelines, rail fans can enjoy their hobby and help maintain the security of our nation's rail transportation system. > > > > Nearly 1,000 people die each year because they do not understand railroads. They underestimate the power of trains and the dangers around the rails. Operation Lifesaver, a non-profit, national public education program for railroad safety asks you to "walk the talk' when it comes to safe behavior around tracks and trains. > > > > People, especially children, learn more from what you DO than what you SAY , especially when they know you are a rail fan. ( I hate the term rail fan.) > > > > Remember, most people do not understand that walking or playing on railroad property is trespassing: It is illegal. It can be deadly. Moreover, law enforcement considers it a serious security risk. > > > > If you're a railroad photographer, give the crew a break! They have seen too much tragedy and too many close calls already. Please photograph trains from public property only. > > > > For your own safety, please stand back at least 15-feet from the nearest rail when filming at a public crossing. > > > > You know not to walk across a railroad trestle or into a railroad tunnel. The danger is too great. If your photographs suggest otherwise, you are leading other people into harm's way. > > Think about it. > > > > Resist the temptation to walk down the middle of the railroad tracks, even at a rail museum where trains are not moving. Impressionable children may be tempted to copy your behavior on the railroad tracks near home. > > > > What is your message when you pose small children on railroad tracks or equipment for family photos? Are you misleading them to believe it is OK to climb on railcars parked on a siding in your community? > > > > Would you like to help deliver Operation Lifesaver's safety messages to driver education students, school bus drivers, professional truckers or others in your community? Volunteer to become a trained Operation Lifesaver Presenter today! > > > > For more information or to volunteer: visit the Operation Lifesaver, Inc. (OLI) website at www.oli.org. and click on "Contact Us". Or call 1-800-537-6224 > > > > LOOK, LISTEN AND LIVE! > > > > Operation Lifesaver, Inc > > 1420 King Street, Suite 401 > > Alexandria, VA 22314-2750 > > 1-800-537-6224 703-739-0308 > > 1-800-537-6225 > > Fax: 703-519-8267 > > www.oli.org > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <196.2d05bfbc.2e4c3dd7_@_aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:28:23 EDT From: Asychis_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Operation Lifesaver publishes Rail Photography tips: In a message dated 8/11/2004 5:21:39 PM Central Standard Time, luckyshow_@_mindspring.com writes: This is so lame...I think I will forget photographing anything...since most I have done could be considered trespassing...since one could find anything they wanted about anything on line and I don't think this has anything to do with security at all....why don't they figure out how to protect all the nuclear reactors or something that would actually mean something in fighting "terror" In a word, unsigned, HOGWASH Jerry Michels ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004501c48022$21323b40$4023f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:09:08 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) station and windmills in Britany (Bretagne) La gare de Beuzec-Cap-Sizun: http://www.audierne.info/image/youtar/Gare%20de%20Beuzec.jpg On the "Le Petit Train Douarnenez-Audierne" called "Le Youtar" This short line is on the western end of the Britany peninsula, on the lower peninsula of this western end. Station built 1894, line closed 1941, but get the windmills ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #969 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <876146877baa.877baa876146_@_optonline.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:38:16 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) NC Transportation Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony Subject: NC Transportation Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony The North Carolina Transportation Hall of Fame, Inc. will be hosting the first annual NC Transportation Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony on November 9, 2004. Details on the organization and the ceremony can be found on the web pages listed below. In addition to the inductions, a special award will be made to the NC Department of Transportation for its work on several NC railroad depots. The award will be presented to the Secretary of the NCDOT on behalf of the NCTHF by Dr. Art Peterson of Greenville, NC, who is currently President of the Old North State Chapter, NRHS (and a director of the RSHS). NCTHF 2004 INDUCTION CEREMONY & LUNCH www.ncthf.org/highpoint2004.htm RADISSON HOTEL, HIGH POINT, NC NOVEMBER 9, 2004 The North Carolina Transportation Hall of Fame, Inc. P. O. Box 37191 Raleigh, NC 27627 http://www.ncthf.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00cf01c4810c$4d7dd7a0$232ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:05:20 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Rue Brest stations (Photo of the day) Two tram lines in Brest, Brittany, France on Rue Brest: on left the one pole city line, and on the right the two pole Conquet Tramways, there are two stations in this old photo: http://www.chez.com/eddyko/tramruebrest.jpg I am projecting into the future, sorry, but this picture is so neat...more to come... ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #970 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:58:12 -0600 From: "Trucks and Trains" Subject: (rshsdepot) RSHSDepot Digest V1 #970 Greetings: In case anyone is interested in seeing this event, mark Sept. 7, 2004 on your calendars. That's the day the movers are coming to move Deming, NM's old Southern Pacific RR depot to its new home. Deming is located 2 hours west of El Paso, TX on I-10. If anyone would like more information, please e-mail me directly at tourist32_@_hotmail.com Ken ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003701c48186$13ab2300$e41ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:37:07 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Tasmania, Australia - part 1 (Carnarvon Light Railways, Wielangta Tramway and the Coffee Pot locomotive) Bangor, Tasmania, Australia Tasmania rail map: http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/transport_tas/gfx/rail_map.gif Bangor is across the way east, it is on the Forrestier's Peninsula (east across Frederick Henry Bay) Between 1642 and 1802, Dutch, French and English explorers landed here, the home of the Pyster Bay Aborigine tribe. Here is the 1889 Tasmania Railway map: http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-nk2456-177 Going to the interactive map. Bangor on this map, though there was a rail line on the peninsula as you can see. No passenger lines now except tourist lines on Tasmania. That is sad. On the Forrestier's Peninsula, there is the Carnarvon Light Railway, read about it here and see photos, station stops: http://www.racysrailway.com/rr/pres/carnarvon.html Derway Valley Railway Preservation Society runs out of Hobart from Hobart to Parrattah Here is a map of Rail Trails. I think the Wielangta Tramway might have been in Bangor: http://www.railtrails.org.au/guides/tas/map.htm Read about the Wielangta Tramway "rail trail" (actually the word "trail" is not used in Tasmania) on this page; also note the Ida Valley Railway : http://www.railtrails.org.au/states/tas/other.htm How to get to Tasmania by rail and ferry, a 2004 Tasmania rail map: http://www.railpage.org.au/railmaps/tas.gif Another map and more details: http://www.railtasmania.com/dvr/line.php Wielangta Tramway: Bridge over Iron Gorge, 1911-1915: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182278.jpg Building (maybe a different) bridge: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182328.jpg Coffee Pot loco on bridge: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182336.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182310.jpg Coffee Pot locomotive at Rheban Beach, 1911-15: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182427.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182534.jpg Heading from Rheban Beach to Wielangta: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182518.jpg Rheban Jetty: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182393.jpg Delivering a big wheel to the mill: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182633.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182625.jpg Top of Sandspit River Gorge: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182260.jpg Scene on the tramline: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182526.jpg In the Eucalypt(us) Forest: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/aug1999/normal/AUTAS001126182286.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009f01c481af$49f57720$e41ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:32:07 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Unique lookimg railcar at Gare de Kerauzern At this station in northwest Brittany is this odd looking railcar. Was the interesting upper level for the engineer, the conductor or higher paying fares?: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rail-22/LAP/X4016.jpg The caption reads "Le train 8469 du 2/9/82 assuré par le X 4016 marque l'arrêt en gare de Kerauzern " (September 2, 1982) If you put marque l'arrêtin a google image search you find many interesting looking trains but c'est la vie I guess... Kerauzern in Bretagne is a Breton name. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00c701c481ce$7763ece0$e41ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:15:17 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) The "Picasso rail-cars"...(answer to unique looking railcar) see: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rail-22/ang/autorailang.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rail-22/ang/projetang.htm < The name « Picasso » comes from the original position of the driving cabin. Like the painter's subjects they don't have the nose in the middle of the face: the cab is not in the center of the roof.> Built 1950 to 1961. Picasso thermal railcars. < The PICASSO, part of the X 3800 series, was specially designed for local and semi-direct service. Built between 1950 and 1961 by the Régie Nationale Renault and the Ateliers du Nord de la France, they were hugely popular during the 1960s. The last railcar of this type was withdrawn from service in 1988. The PICASSO at Le Train Capitale belongs to a Dijon association (Autorails de Bourgogne et de Franche-Comté) and is used for tourist trips.> Here is Picasso railcar X4039 at Sermizelles-Vezelay station in 2003: http://frenchrailways.homestead.com/files/picasso_at_sermizelles_vezezlayopt .jpg http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/SERMIZELLES.jpg Different cars: http://frenchrailways.homestead.com/files/autorail_at_sermizelles.jpg 2001: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Actu/BB2001.gif Sermizelles-Vezelay is in center of France I think near Nevers and St. Florent. It is in "the Morvan" On a branch line: Gare de Avallon is on this one track line: http://frenchrailways.homestead.com/files/avallon_station2c.jpg http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/AVALLON.jpg A different railcar at Avallon 1998: http://frenchrailways.homestead.com/files/x4500_pasengersavallonc.jpg Cravant-Bazarnes station, 1988: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/CRAVANT.jpg Gare de Vermenton, 1983: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/VERMENTON.jpg The Picasso car on the Grottes d'Arcy viaduct: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/ARCY.jpg Arcy sur Cure gare: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/Arcysurcure.jpeg Avallon last stop on this schedule, here are other stations on this railroad This is in the Burgundy area south of France: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Imagesdivers/MINILOGO.jpg and here is the schedule now: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/horaire.htm Brion-Laizy: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/BRION.jpg Etang: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/ETANG.jpg Auxerre is a big station on this line, north of Avalon: 1998 with Picasso car on right: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/AUXERRE1.jpg Manley 1992: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/MANLAY.jpg Manley 2003: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Actu/73580MANLAY.jpg Manley, 2004: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Actu/40393886.jpeg at Laizy: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Actu/X4039.gif Saulieu, 1964: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/saulieu1.jpeg Saulieu, 1987: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/SAULIEU.jpg Auten, 1975 with very cute observation cars that resemble cabooses: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/AUTUN1.jpg Auten, 1986: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Imagesdivers/GAREAUTUN.jpg Auten, 2000: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Actu/BB66600.gif Dracy-St. Loup station, 1979: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/DRACY.jpg http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/dracy.htm And here we are back again with a Picasso railcar at Dracy-St. Loup, 2004: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Imagesdivers/4039index.jpg And Picasso car X4039 at Maison-Dieu station on this line: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/MAISONDIEU.jpg Different Picasso railcars at Laroche-Migennes, 1985: http://tra.morvan.free.fr/Gares/LarocheM.jpeg Some neat signs: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rue_du_petit_train/lignes/sudest/cravant-leslaumes.h tm Here is the Picasso car on a fantrip in same area and adjacent ones, excellent pictures, excellent stations: http://www.ruralrail-france.com/phototrain3.html Here is Picasso railcar, the"Gentiane express at Riom-ès-Montagne in the Cantal (Auvergne) 2002: http://home.clara.net/denwood/MikesMR/Images/ge.jpg Not the unusual design, though. Picasso car (Autorail Picasso) on trip to Sézanne, 2002, Great tunnel entrance pictures: http://cherspas.free.fr/souvenir2809e.htm Picasso cars around France: See one moving on the top of this page on the Chemin de fer de a Traconne: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jl.batonnet/esternay/cftt.htm On exhibit in Paris: http://yvaugeois.free.fr/dossier/LE%20TRAIN%20CAPITALE/PICASSO.JPG http://www.bouffier.org/images/paris/thumbs/P6150755.JPG Called Le Furet at Moulot station on the Clemency-Entrains line, 1996: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rail.vaux.d.yonne/Images/furet2.JPG #3989 at Gare de Vogüé: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/edouard.paris/200326.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #971 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005001c483fa$af44c980$8e19f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:36:51 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Tasmania- part 2 (Hobart Railway station., Wharf Line) Hobart from the "Domain": http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/jan2000/normal/AUTAS001126252725.jpg (1890) Entrance to Hobart railway Station, c. 1870: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/jan2000/normal/AUTAS001126252709.jpg Hobart Railway Station, 1880-1890: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/jan2000/normal/AUTAS001126252154.jpg The High School in background later became Tasmania's first university Hobart station with "weighbridge", c. 1890: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/feb1999/normal/AUTAS001125299479.jpg Hobart Station close-up: c. 1870-1979: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/feb1999/normal/AUTAS001125299461.jpg c. 1880-1889: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/dec1997/normal/AUTAS001124066192.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/allport/normal/AUTAS001124065160.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/HobartrailwaystationRoundabout/12541268.jpg A 1972 suburban train schedule of the Tasmanian Government Railways out of Hobart: http://www.railtasmania.com/archives/graphics/ptt_out.jpg http://www.railtasmania.com/archives/graphics/ptt_in.jpg The Tasman Limited early 1970s: http://www.railtasmania.com/arhs/graphics/x8.jpg On the Wharf Line, Hobart (abandoned): http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/gunzel_gallery/Rail0141.JPG Cooks Tourist Information, Hobart: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetscorners/12541300.jpg north-east Dundas Railway, c. 1900-190, nice curve: http://www.archphotos.archives.tas.gov.au/Images//30-5s/30-57C.JPG ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #972 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." Subject: (rshsdepot) Mineral Poimnt, WI Posted to our Preservation forum, apparently from trains.com. Henry - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue Aug 17 17:20:12 2004 EDT Subject: Railfan.net Forum Post: Restored Wisconsin depot to open The following was just posted in "Preservation" on the Railfan.net Forum Note: Do NOT Reply to this message, it will not reach a human! To reply please use the link URL at the bottom of this page. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Restored Wisconsin depot to open Post by Alco83 08/17/04 at 17:20:11 in "Preservation" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRAINS: MINERAL POINT, Wis. - The Mineral Point Railroad Society has announced the restoration of the Mineral Point depot and has invited the public to its grand opening during the upcoming Labor Day weekend. Of the dozen or so railroad buildings once present in the yard area, the depot is the only remaining structure and is the oldest remaining depot in the state. The depot was built in 1856 by the Mineral Point Railroad, which in 1880 was bought by the Milwaukee Road and became an important branch line until the local lead and zinc mines began to play out in the late 1920's. From 1904 to 1930, the depot was also used by a short line, the Mineral Point & Northern Railroad. Milwaukee Road tore up the branch into Mineral Point from Monroe, Darlington, and Gratiot, Wis., in the 1970’s. The museum will be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. over Labor Day weekend from Saturday through Monday, with a ribbon-cutting ceremony at 10 a.m. Saturday. Admission during the holiday weekend will be $2 per person, children under 12 free. For more information, visit www.mineralpointrailroads.com. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Click here to view the topic: http://Forums.Railfan.net/?board=Preservation&action=display&num=1092777611 Regards, The Railfan.net Web Forum Staff ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <010801c484e6$6b444fc0$211bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:44:19 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) London Bridge station London Bridge Station, Southwark, London. London Bridge Station and South Eastern Railway Station (also Brighton and South-Coast Railway) Built 1836; Trains operated by South Central Trains, and Thameslink. Here it is very early: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/londonstations/lb5.jpg Many changes over the years, but one of the few with no office buildings built above the shed. http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/391 5_205018_3917_London_Bridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/353 5_London_Bridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/456 006_London_Bridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/508 211_LondonBridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/185 9_London_Bridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/207 203_London_Bridge.jpg http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/190 5_London_Bridge.JPG http://londonse.topcities.com/Gallery/London%20Terminals/London%20Bridge/391 5_LondonBridge1.jpg Stairs: http://www.imagespace.co.uk/paw/2001/images/week47.jpg walkway: http://www.anthonyepes.com/eml/jpegs/londonbridge.jpg In 2000, Railtrack was planning to demolish these 1860 train sheds: http://www.savebritainsheritage.org/img/london_bridge.jpg They were planning on putting this atrocity there instead in 2001: http://www.bennettup.co.uk/projects/images/londonbridge01.jpg Artist conception of what the hideous new concourse would be, one that no one will want to save 150 years from now : http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/thames/images/thames7.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #973 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:51:16 -0400 From: gary.urbonas_@_kodak.com Subject: (rshsdepot) Gary J. Urbonas/499187/EKC is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 08/18/2004 and will not return until 08/22/2004. Durring this time I will not have access to Lotus Notes. Upon my return I will respond to your message as promptly as possible. Thank You! ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040818.142350.-3942619.0.ezinewriterowner_@_juno.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:23:50 -0500 From: ezinewriterowner_@_juno.com Subject: (rshsdepot) New Member ©¿©¬ _______________________________________________ Hi all, I'm new to the group, and I'm new to railfanning! I guess I have always been intrigued by trains, and the ambiance of the 'world' of railroads, but never really took the time to notice. 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I'm wanting to 'spotlight' aspiring railroad photographers, artists, sculptors, etc., and help to promote them, in return for letting me have great site content. Any leads you might suggest would be very helpful. :-) If anyone feels led to reply, please reply to: IronhorseJunction_@_rrmail.com mailto:IronhorseJunction_@_rrmail.com • Iron Horse Junction http://www.geocities.com/tew_online/IronHorseJunction.html Thank you for reading my email, Bradley H. • The EZINE WRITER Website http://www.tew.shorturl.com • TewDesign http://www.tewdesign.co.nr __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005001c4859b$bad0fce0$4126f7a5_@_paul> References: <876146877baa.877baa876146_@_optonline.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:22:16 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) test this is only a test ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006901c485a3$071e3480$4126f7a5_@_paul> References: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:14:30 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Tasmania, part 3 Part 3 is about other Tasmania railways, mostly north and southwest of Hobart... Glenorchy is the home of the Tasmanian Transport Museum Glenorchy Moonah trams: double deck open top trams: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Glenorchymoonah/12514 464.jpg (coupled in three) http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Glenorchymoonah/12514 469.jpg Glenorchy Austins Ferry: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Glenorchyaustinsferry /12514444.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Glenorchyaustinsferry /12514445.jpg Port Arthur: Railway Bridge over Jordan River, c. 1878: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/feb2003/normal/AUTAS00112711214 2.jpg Horse Shoe Bridge, 1878: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/feb2003/normal/AUTAS00112711215 9.jpg New Norfolk Bridge: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/apr1998/normal/AUTAS00112407580 5.jpg Bush Mill Railway, a 15 inch narrow gauge line at Port Arthur.: http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/gunzel_gallery/tasbushmill0167.JPG Once only connection to Tullah on west coast of peninsula: http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/gunzel_gallery/weegeorgiewood0154e.jpg Bridge over Derwent River at Bridgewater: http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/gunzel_gallery/Rail0149.JPG Derwent Valley Railway out of Hobart: Read about the history of the line that began 1867, map of line and some photos here: http://www.railtasmania.com/dvr/line.php The Derwent Valley Railway Path, a trail on this line, maybe east of other map: http://www.durham.gov.uk/DurhamCC/usp.nsf/pws/Durham+Wildlife+Sites+-+Derwen t+Valley+Railway+Path Read more history of line here, passenger service ended 1962: http://www.gateshead.gov.uk/leisserv/derwent3.htm The southernmost railway point in Tasmania is not near Bangor, but it seems interesting. Once it had a pier, it is at end of 2 foot narrow gauge Ida Bay Railway: http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/gunzel_gallery/Rail0142.JPG On the north coast: Emu Bay Railway, c. 1930-39: http://www.archphotos.archives.tas.gov.au/Images/30-7s/30-798DC.jpg c. 1940-49: http://www.railtasmania.com/arhs/graphics/ebr.jpg Ring River Bridge on the Emu Bay Railway: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Ringriverringvalley/1 2544339.jpg An 86 foot high viaduct on the Emu Bay: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/jan2000/normal/AUTAS00112625110 7.jpg This railroad is on the northern coast of Tasmania, here are more pictures, a map and more: http://www.rossrailvideo.com.au/Emu_Bay.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008101c485a4$b576a980$4126f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:26:32 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) test one two test one two three ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #974 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040819153826.72480.qmail_@_web20624.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040818.142350.-3942619.0.ezinewriterowner_@_juno.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darren E. Hadley" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) New Member Bradley, I wish you well on this as I too have been doing the same thing dedicated to the D&H and have nearly 3,000 images with many of the D&H Stations already posted and keep hoping to obtain more from others myself. ===== Darren E. Hadley stourbridge_lion_@_yahoo.com DHVM Web Master http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm BLHS Member http://www.bridge-line.org DHCHS Member http://www.canalmuseum.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040819.190001.-4110005.0.ezinewriterowner_@_juno.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:00:01 -0500 From: ezinewriterowner_@_juno.com Subject: (rshsdepot) Re: Darren Thanks Darren, You sure have some great sites, ( and TONS of stuff )! How in the world do you keep it all straight?! I have visited your sites before, ( thru the Railring and Rails USA webrings ), and placed them in my favorites folder(s). I'm a member of the Rails USA ring, and I applied to Railrings a while back, but have never heard anything from them, other than they'd contact me. I like thier site(s) too. They sure cover everything! Have a great day! Bradley On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) "Darren E. Hadley" writes: > Bradley, > > I wish you well on this as I too have been doing > the same thing dedicated to the D&H and have nearly > 3,000 images with many of the D&H Stations already > posted and keep hoping to obtain more from others myself. > > ===== > Darren E. Hadley stourbridge_lion_@_yahoo.com > DHVM Web Master http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm > BLHS Member http://www.bridge-line.org > DHCHS Member http://www.canalmuseum.org > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of > existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #975 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001101c48711$7c98d0c0$8125f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:57:39 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Tasmania- part 4 (Hobart Municipal Tramways , double deck trams, trolleybuses, horse trams) Hobart trams, Hobart Municipal Tramways, gauge 3 feet 6 inches probably to 1954 Ran from Elizabeth Street to Glenorchy. : http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549936.jpg a lot of postcards, but they are pretty nice: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549946.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549941.jpg I am presuming this is Hobart's tram. These are 6 double deck open-top trams coupled together, pulled by the first car. Sometimes they did 2 together, this must be a special trip: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549951.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Launcestonstreetselph inrd/12542187.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Launcestonstreetselph inrd/12542197.jpg Building a line at Elphin Road: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Launcestonstreetselph inrd/12542192.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541282.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541284.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsliverpoo lst/12541332.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsliverpoo lst/12541334.jpg w/trolleybus: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541336.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541286.jpg Double Deck open tram: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549931.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetscorners/ 12541299.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549926.jpg [The last one may not be Hobart] http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541290.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Trams/12549921.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541322.jpg Opened as the Hobart Electric Tramway Company, Sept. 23, 1893 with three routes. From the railroad station to the Cascades Brewery; Between the General Post Office and Sandy Bay; and along Elizabeth Street to Moonah. The first complete electric streetcar system in the Southern hemisphere. The wires were causing interference on the telephone system's circuits which delayed the opening. Twenty double deck tram cars began the operation. Victoria (1889) and New South Wales (1890) had had short unsuccessful electric lines. Only Australian tram system to use a sliding bow collector system, like heavy railways. in 1911, the Hobart City Council made a move to take over the line, public ownership was thought that public ownership was best for benefiting the public better. The HETC was owned by a London based company. In 1913 the Government passed the Tramways Bill that allowed the Council the right of law to control the trams. Oh, how times change. The Hobart Municipal Tramways too over in June 1913, and expanded the system, doubling the size in ten years; the heyday was 1932 to 1942 when they operated 32km of line. In 1942 the Cascades trams were replaced by trolleybuses; In 1952 the Sandy Bay Road route was next. In 1950 the City Council expected to abolish the trams but were expecting up to 15 years more of service, but in 1955 all public transport was taken over by the Metropolitan Transport Trust and the Council lost control (another auto and gas and rubber conspiracy?) The last tramway in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia ran 10/21/1960. Map showing lines and RR too: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/hobart.gif Hobart streetcar views: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetscorners/ 12541292.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541288.jpg (the Moonah tram) http://www.railtasmania.com/pres/graphics/tram-133.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541285.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541323.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541324.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541287.jpg http://www.hcc.tas.gov.au/tramway/images/gallerys/gallery1/original05.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541281.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541293.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541294.jpg The terminus of this line: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541326.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541321.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541283.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetselizabet h/12541325.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541337.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541343.jpg At Town Hall: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541344.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541341.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541342.jpg http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/postcards/Hobartstreetsmacquari e/12541340.jpg Trolley buses on Macquarie St., c. 1940s: http://www.archphotos.archives.tas.gov.au/Images/30-5s/30-530C.jpg Horse drawn tram to Cape Sorell Lighthouse, Macquarie Harbour, c. 1900-1909: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/mar1999/normal/AUTAS00112564076 3.jpg The tracks at the lighthouse: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/mar1999/normal/AUTAS00112564075 5.jpg 1946: http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/Bulletin/0008/Cape%20Sorell%20Tramway%20 1946%20amsa%204.jpg Tramway to Tasman Island Lighthouse, c. 1910-1919: http://images.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/tasimg/mar1999/normal/AUTAS00112564092 0.jpg Today the Hobart City Council wants to construct a tourist tram on the harbor, the Sullivan Cove Tramway, but the cash strapped Australian National Trust has spent 50,000 trying to prevent it.: http://www.railtasmania.com/pres/group.php?id=hcctram http://www.hcc.tas.gov.au/tramway/ http://www.hcc.tas.gov.au/tramway/images/tram17.jpg In the gallery you can click on more historic pictures and how they found the 5 abandoned cars and restored them here, also artists impressions of what the Sullivan Cove system would look like: http://www.hcc.tas.gov.au/tramway/gallery.htm The last trolleybus to run in Hobart (1968), at the museum, 1999: http://www.railtasmania.com/ttms/graphics/tb235.jpg Built 1952 ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00f601c48751$b010ac80$8125f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 03:37:13 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Virginia (Interstate [Southern]) Bangor, Va. (Scott County which began in 1815. Named after Winfield Scott) Scott County is the penultimate southwestmost county in Virginia. Best map of Scott County so far: http://www.mountaintravelguide.com/Virginia/scott/Scott.gif No Bangor there. Gate City is in Scott County, Virginia. Here is a map: http://www.city-data.com/city/maps3/cms1723.gif Clinchport, Dungannon, Nickelsville, Mount Carmel, Bloomingdale, Surgoinsville, Blountville, Church Hill, Colonial Heights in this modern non-railroad map. There was a criss-cross of Southern Railway heading NE, Clinchfield NW, just below Gale City which was on an east-west connector branch. Kingston, Tennessee is just south. From Gate City Southern Ry. east: Hiltons and Bristol in Washington County and the Norfolk and Western north-south.North of Gate City : Clinchport, Sunbright, Big Stone, Appalachia, Derby, Stonega and Roa, Va. From Clinchport heading into the hills ENE, the Clinchfield railroad: Fort Blackmore, Dungannon in Scott County and junction with N&W at St. Paul, Va. The Interstate Railroad (1915) connected with the Clinchfield RR at Bangor, Va. (Miller Yard) Interstate Railroad engines at Appalachia, Va., 1964: http://members.tripod.com/appalachian_railroad/protophotos/int34a.jpg Click on the nice trestle at Gate City: http://www.r390a.com/RailFan/gate_city_va.htm Clinchfield Railroad: http://www.tias.com/stores/grw/pictures/pp-2426a.jpg Clinchfield CSX map of Southwest Virginia: http://www.csx.com/services/coal/clinchfield.jpg Here is the route map for the Clinchfield Railroad: http://members.tripod.com/appalachian_railroad/maps/crrmap.jpg Clinchfield depot, Kingston, Tennessee, 1999: http://www.qsl.net/wd8rif/img/kingsport_depot1.jpg Clinchfield Kingston freight depot: http://www.qsl.net/wd8rif/img/kingsport_depot2.jpg The Louisville & Nashville also came through Big Stone gap. Big Stone Gap and Appalachia are in Wise County. Big Stone Gap, Va depot: http://www.bigstonegap.org/pictures/bsgdepot.jpg Big Stone Gap, Va. depot: http://www.bigstonegap.org/pictures/bigstonegap%20depot.jpg Not sure which is which yet. Appalachia, Va. depot: http://www.bigstonegap.org/pictures/appalachia%20depot.jpg Union Depot, Appalachia: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~duncanrw/images/uniondepotappa.jpg This is Bootleg Trestle between Sunbright and Natural Tunnel, 1966: http://members.tripod.com/appalachian_railroad/protophotos/souboot.jpg Copper Creek bridges: http://members.tripod.com/appalachian_railroad/protophotos/soucopc.jpg The Jonesville Hotel over west in Lee County: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~duncanrw/images/jonesvillehotel.jpg Bristol, Virginia depot: "Union Station, Bristol, Virginia and Tennessee" http://countryjoe.bizland.com/ppc141.jpg http://www.roadsidenut.com/stn103.jpg http://www.hearlshill.freeservers.com/Bristol%20Train%20Station.JPG Bristol, Va: http://www.hearlshill.freeservers.com/Bristol%20Sign%20Night.JPG http://tripupdates2000.homestead.com/files/BristolVA516b.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #976 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00ad01c48988$28d323e0$9d1ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:12:11 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens stations, part 1 Piraeus-Peloponnese railway station (Piraeus Central Station), Athens: http://www.culture.gr/2/21/213/21301n/00/mn01n0a1.jpg http://the-tech.mit.edu/~derz/Tkgr/gr-athens-station.jpg http://www.tonynuccio.com/europe/photographs/greece/athens/athens00.jpg http://photos.photosig.com/photos/58/73/1137358-thumb.jpg http://www.sfs.gr/gr/fg/a9106_13-2-04.jpg interior detail: http://www.culture.gr/2/21/213/21301n/00/ln01n0a3.jpg detail: http://www.culture.gr/2/21/213/21301n/00/ln01n0a5.jpg http://www.wigmore-fine-art.co.uk/old/skoulakis/images/01.jpg http://users.hellasnet.gr/gemiko/rstatio1.jpg http://www.sfs.gr/gr/fg/athens_13-2-04c.jpg old photo: http://tofino.ex.ac.uk/virvic/themes/leisure/slides/images/athens_stat.jpg To show how confusing I find trying to find Greek stations look here where it says there are two side by side, one to Northern Greece, the other to the Pelopannese: http://www.athensguide.com/schedules/trains.html This is the station next to the Pelopannese for North Greece: http://www.ou.nl/open/hon/OSEb.htm I am unsure of the next one, because somehow I only find one of this view.. A classical station in Athens; no info: http://gu-tara.jp/archives/images/Athens/station.jpg Perhaps part of the Pelopannese station Larissa station on the Metro is next to the big station(s): (though how would ABHNA be Larissa? but see the big station on left background, that is station to North Greece): http://www2.chem.elte.hu/gigant_club/pic/gr/DMU/ice/aten_larissa_pu.jpg Panepistimiou station: http://www.harrys-athens-greece-guide.com/Img/metro-ruins/handicapAcsessF.JP G Monastiraki commuter station: http://www.kalimera.nu/oar/fastland/jpg/aten_14_stor.jpg http://www.harrys-athens-greece-guide.com/Img/Plaka-Mona/Monastiraki-entranc e-Electric-train.jpg http://www.harrys-athens-greece-guide.com/Img/Plaka-Mona/Monastiraki-sq-Metr o-Sta.jpg Monastiraki subway (Metro) station: http://home.primus.ca/~nhoeller/med/athens/119_1998.jpg Both seen here: http://www.douros-hotels.com/photos/monastiraki3.jpg Ag. Ioannis Rentis: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/fg/640_air_13-2-04.jpg Athens railroad bridge: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4798/Tram.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00f601c489ad$76a52b20$9d1ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:39:11 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens stations, part 1 redux Peloponnes station, the meter-gauge trains to Peloponnes (such as Corinth) leaves from here: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/PeloponnesBhf.jpg This meter gauge line leaves Pireaus (Piräus) goes through Peloponesse station above and then on to the Peloponnes Island. Pireaus Railway Station, also called Peloponnisos Station: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/Piraeus-Station1.jpg The meter gauge trains went through this station. For the Olympics this was made the Central station for Pireaus (south of Athens) for standard gauge to northern Greece and the Airport. Here is the second station in Piraeus, the Ag. Dionysos Station. (2003): http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/Piraeus-Station2.jpg For standard gauge trains to northern Greece. This station was planned to close when the other station was made Central station for Piraeus The second railroad (railway) station in Athens is Larissis Station,: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/athens.jpg The standard gauge station. When built this was the end of the line. Due to the Olympics, the meter gauge lines closed between Ag. Anargyri and Piraeus. (not sure if permanent). All trains to and from Peloponnes will start and end at Ag. Anargyri station: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/AgAnargyri.jpg This kind of reminds me of what Amtrak has sometimes done, like in Pittsburgh or Albany. Agios Stefanos station is near Athens: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/Agios_Stefanos.jpg Here is Lechonia station near Volos, north of Athens on the next peninsula: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/AnoLechonia2.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/AnoLechonia.jpg Argos narrow gauge station: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/Argos.jpg For many other neat Greek stations see this site: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/pix.html ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #977 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." Subject: (rshsdepot) Mineral Point, WI (followup) Reported on the TRAINS newswire @ http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/005/360lkyfc.asp (free registration required to view) Henry Restored Wisconsin depot to open on Labor Day weekend MINERAL POINT, Wis. - The Mineral Point Railroad Society has announced the restoration of the Mineral Point depot and has invited the public to its grand opening during the upcoming Labor Day weekend. Of the dozen or so railroad buildings once present in the yard area, the depot is the only remaining structure and is the oldest remaining depot in the state. The depot was built in 1856 by the Mineral Point Railroad, which in 1880 was bought by the Milwaukee Road and became an important branch line until the local lead and zinc mines began to play out in the late 1920's. From 1904 to 1930, the depot was also used by a short line, the Mineral Point & Northern Railroad. Milwaukee Road tore up the branch into Mineral Point from Monroe, Darlington, and Gratiot, Wis., in the 1970’s. The museum will be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. over Labor Day weekend from Saturday through Monday, with a ribbon-cutting ceremony at 10 a.m. Saturday. Admission during the holiday weekend will be $2 per person, children under 12 free. For more information, visit www.mineralpointrailroads.com. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007201c489e6$57a17920$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:26:25 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Mineral Point, WI (followup) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." To: "RSHS EMail List" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Mineral Point, WI (followup) >>>Dr. Joseph Schweiterman's new book, "When the Railroad Leaves Town," Vol. II, coming out in another month or so, covers the US west of the Mississippi and I believe includes Mineral Point. A fascinating volume (as was Vol. I) "When the Railroad Leaves Town" is a "must" for anybody interested in the history of a railroad in a given town or city, what happens when the railroad leaves, and, in many cases features wonderful station or depot views. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:32:04 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Storm Lake, IA Rail depot on endangered list = By=3A Dana Larsen=2C Pilot Tribune Editor August 24=2C 2004 = = The committee working to save the Storm Lake railroad depot got a boost F= riday when it was announced that the building will be named to the 2004 I= owa=27s Most Endangered Properties list=2E = The list=2C an effort of the Iowa Historic Preservation Alliance=2C began= in 1995 to show Iowans the special buildings and historic sites that wer= e slowly and gradually slipping away=2E The depot was nominated by local = committee founder Brad Strader last May=2E Nearly 100 nominations are made each year=2E = Only a select 10-12 sites have been chosen for the Most Endangered list i= n past years=2E A panel of judges considers four criteria in choosing the list=3A geograp= hic distribution=2C historic significance=2C nature of threat and variety= of building type=2E The Canadian National Railroad now owns the Storm Lake depot=2C and had p= lanned to demolish it=2E The local committee has negotiated to obtain the= site to be converted into a welcome center=2C and railroad officials hav= e expressed an interest if the building is moved away from the site=2E An= area near the Storm Lake school administration building is considered th= e most viable alternative=2E A local fund drive is expected to begin soon= =2E =22Too often=2C members of a community find themselves helpless when arch= itectural and historical sites of local=2C state and national significanc= e are threatened=2C=22 said Dr=2E Michael Kramme=2C director of the Allia= nce=2C on the group=27s website=2E =22People like you=2C who would like t= o see the historical buildings preserved=2C lack a voice in preserving th= e historic integrity of our communities=2E We believe it=27s time for mem= bers of the state to join together to preserve historical buildings and l= andmarks=2E Together=2C we can save the farmstead in the country=2C the a= bandoned depot=2C the old home by the river or the beautiful department s= tore=2E=22 Although the designation does not prevent potential demolition of a histo= rical site=2C it does provide some support=2C advocacy and consulting tow= ard the preservation of the sites=2E The depot is already listed on the National Register of Historic Sites=2E= = =A9Storm Lake Pilot Tribune 2004 = ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a701c48a36$715242a0$012af7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:59:30 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens stations, part 2: Athens-Piraeus Railway, Attica Railways, Marcopoulo and Lavrio stations, &c. 1998; here is little known meter gauge tracks at top of the Acropolis, connecting the Parthanon with a storage site. 100 meters long. Only human motive power used to move stone laden vehicles: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/misc/akropoli.jpg One of two stretches of German built industrial tracks at Olympia excavation, 1998: 600 millimeter gauge: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/misc/olympia.jpg Piraeus Metro station in 2000: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ath/piraeus-2000-1.jpg http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ath/piraeus-2002-2.jpg Syntagma Metro station: http://garbidakis.com/Greece2000/August2000-Syntagma/Syntagma-1.jpg http://garbidakis.com/Greece2000/August2000-Syntagma/Syntagma-2.jpg http://garbidakis.com/Greece2000/August2000-Syntagma/Syntagma-5.jpg http://www.ntua.gr/best/en/surguide/Public3.jpg More Athens metro stations here: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ath/athens-picture-gallery.htm Athens subway map: http://www.reed.edu/~reyn/Athens.perDZ.gif http://www.ametro.gr/main/project/description/zoom/AM_Map.jpg With rail: http://de.geocities.com/m_pix4/athens/athens-map.gif Metro map: http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/athens/images/athens8.jpg http://www.ntua.gr/best/en/surguide/Public1.gif http://www.greece101.com/site/img/en/maps/arMainMet.gif Metro cars: http://www.ntua.gr/best/en/surguide/Public2.jpg Line 1 is a "transformation" of Athens' original subway, the 1904 Athens-Piraeus Railway which began 1869: http://www.subways.net/greece/piraeus3.jpg Views of the original Athens-Piraeus Ry. can be seen including some stations in a creative way on this page: http://www.isap.gr/ About this first Greek railroad: "In 1867, construction of the railway was awarded to the English businessman Edward Pickering, and works began on the 8 km line from Piraeus to Athens, which terminated at what is today Thissio station. The line was, of course, entirely on the surface and was steam-operated." 19 minutes with no stops. Electrified 1904. In 1957 the subway under the city center was connected to this railroad and they went as far as Kitassia Thissio station: http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ath/L1-thissio1.jpg Faliro and Moschato stations came 1882. " While better than nothing, the line still terminated short of the heart of Athens, Omonia Square, and parliamentary powers were obtained to extend the line to it. This was to be the first underground stretch of railway in Greece. At first, the line ran eastwards from Thissio, through the remains of the Ancient Athens Market, to Monastirion station (now known as Monastiraki), and then swung northwards, in a cut-and-cover tunnel, to the original Omonia station, which was located beneath Athenas Street. As the line continued to be steam-operated, both Monastirion and Omonia stations were uncovered so that the steam could escape. Service on this extension commenced on 17th May 1895. The experience of travelling underground was unfamiliar and not very welcome by everyone at first, as people were expressing concerns about how save this was. There were reports of people writing their wills or going to church to confess their sins, fearing that they would never complete their journey alive!" Patras, Athens station: http://www2.chem.elte.hu/gigant_club/pic/gr/diesel/A9401/aten_patrai_pu.jpg The impressive Piraeus station opened in 1928, the terminal station : http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ath/piraeus-2002-3.jpg http://www.athensguide.org/piraeus-metro.JPG http://home.primus.ca/~nhoeller/med/athens/118_1877_r1.jpg This is the Metro station, the Piraeus-Peloponnese station is the big one sent in part 1, near Larissa metro station. The Piraeus Seafront tramway once ran in this seaside area. The cars: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/museum/images/Trams1.jpg. Kallithea station was opened. For a full history of this line from beginning to now here: http://de.geocities.com/m_pix4/athens/athens-metro-line1.htm Greek Electric Railways S.A., Attica Railways, other lines are discussed. Attica Railways abandoned line. Peania station is a nursery today Marcopoulo and Lavrio still stand as well. The last two places run Sunday trains on a restored section. On this page are pictures of the Attica Railways' Lavrio station, the drawing of the original station and in the middle of page 4 pictures you can click on to enlarge that show Lavrio station, the 1887 (2nd depot) station as it is today. At the bottom is a steam locomotive at Marcopoulo station but you can hardly see it and in the middle some shots of the abandoned line (1957 I think) See here: http://1tee-lavriou.att.sch.gr/neoclStation.htm The "depot" (shed) at Lavrio is also pictured. Vrilissia, Peania, Koropi, Kalyvia, Kereatea, Kamariza,...Lavrio was the terminal station. The steam trains on this line were known as Therio ("Beast") (Electrified 1938) Omonia's 1895 station was replaced by the true inderground station 1930. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #978 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:00:30 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Williamstown, WV Settlement reached in train depot case=2C attorney says = By JOLENE CRAIG = WILLIAMSTOWN - The injunction hearing over the Williamstown train depot h= as been canceled=2C said attorney William Summers=2C representing the Wil= liamstown Area Development Corp=2E = The 117-year-old structure was in danger of being demolished in June=2C a= fter Sutherlins Limited Liability Company=2C a division of JLSS=2C LLC=2C= notified the WADC that it purchased the land the depot is on from CSX Tr= ansportation Inc=2E =22There has been a settlement (between Sutherlins LLC and the WADC)=2C=22= said Summers=2E The documents are being drafted by another attorney and = nothing has been filed in the courts=2C he said=2E Summers said the settlement will be beneficial to both WADC and Sutherlin= s LLC=2E In June=2C Sutherlins LLC demanded the WADC demolish or remove the depot = from the land=2C according to court documents=2E Wood County Circuit Court Judge George Hill granted a temporary injunctio= n in June after Summers filed a complaint stating Sutherlins LLC was unla= wfully claiming ownership of the depot and the adjacent structure at Two = Station Plaza=2E The other building was being leased by JLSS=2C LLC from = the WADC since September 2003 for a Stateline Big Time Coffee Shop=2C a v= ideo lottery establishment=2E = WADC obtained ownership of the depot in March 1990 and acquired ownership= of the second building from Frank Tacy in December 1992=2E Rights to lease the land beneath the buildings from CSX were obtained in = December 1992=2E In March 1993=2C the WADC applied to the West Virginia Department of Tran= sportation for federal funds under the Intermodal Surface Transportation = Efficiency ACT of 1991 (ISTEA)=2E The WADC spent =24254=2C000 in ISTEA funds and a total of =24362=2C000 re= storing the depot=2E Since the restoration the depot has been a gift shop and tourist informat= ion center=2E Before the injunction was filed in June=2C the WADC was considering leasi= ng the building to the Veterans Museum of the Mid-Ohio Valley Association= to serve as a memorial museum=2C according to documents=2E =22I believe the resolution will have the effect that the WADC will have = control over the depot and the land=2C=22 Summers said=2E Summers said he would not make further comments on the settlement because= he has not seen the documents=2E =22It is a very beneficial settlement to the case=2C=22 Summers said=2E Copyright =A9 2004 =97 The Parkersburg News and The Parkersburg Sentinel ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000001c48b3f$fb018d80$fe1ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:09:16 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens rail, part 3 Hellenic Railway Organization: http://hermes.civil.auth.gr/ose.gif Read of the Diakofto-Kalavryta Railway, On the Peloponnesos Island (west and south west of Athens), here: http://www.islandstrolling.com/mainland/peloponnes/english/diakofto_kalavryt a_railway.htm Note the two car train with the small diesel in between. this is a N-S line off the north coast line. The Kalavryta Rack Railway (22 kilometer ascent, 75 cm gauge. Goes up Vouraikos Gorge from seaside village of Diakopton. 70 minute ride. Crosses 20 bridges, there are 13 tunnels. Built 1895: http://www.weightlifting.gr/loutraki2003/images/kalavryta.jpg Here is Kalvrita station at the top of this rack railway: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/station/Kalavrita.jpg An intermediate station stop on the cog railway, at Mega Spileon: http://privacy.nb.ca/greece_files/Image20.jpg http://privacy.nb.ca/greece_files/Image19.jpg Looking out the train: http://privacy.nb.ca/greece_files/Image15.jpg A page of Diakopto-Kalavrita rack railway pictures: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/3000/pix.html Triple gauge tracks at Volos: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/misc/millie4.jpg At Pireaus station, Athens, 1985: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/narrow_gauge/6400/gr6409_ds103404.jpg Many of the new Athens LRV lines were built for this year's Olympics. The cars are very "modern" looking: http://www.blickpunktstrab.net/xphotos2003-athensx.jpg http://www.ekathimerini.com/kathnews/photos/16-12-03/16-12-03_37471_1.gif Trams had left Athens 40 years ago: http://www.greece.gr/POLITICS/InternalAffairs/makingtracks.img/tram.jpg LRV at Whitewater Olympic site: http://www.canoeracer.com/Athens/images/991-White%20Water%20Tram_jpg.jpg A page of LRV in Athens pictures: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/trams/pix.html 26.5 km on two lines The 20 Athens trolleybus routes: http://agn.hol.gr/page.asp?target=http://agn.hol.gr/info/trolley/trolley.htm &sec=4 Trolleybuses of Athens: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bruce.lake/TBus_Systems/Greece.htm Patras (Pátrai) on Peloponnese, the railroad arrives, 1900: http://www.proskopos.com/patra1900/traino.jpg 2001 Patras station (this is a one meter gauge line): http://www2.chem.elte.hu/gigant_club/pic/gr/diesel/A9401/aten_patrai_pu.jpg A tramway was in Patras: http://www.pi-schools.gr/sxoleia/epl-patras/gr/98-te10/fourfouris/railway.jp g Here on the Kalavriton (Gounari Street), the Paliovouna mountain in backgrond, 1900: http://www.proskopos.com/patra1900/gounari.jpg Inauguration of Patras electric tramway: http://www.blickpunktstrab.net/historic2002_patras.jpg Heading south on this island one comes to Tripolis. Here is Tripolis (Triplolitza) station, 1930: http://arcadia.ceid.upatras.gr/arkadia/photos/trpast/zax2.jpg Here is the train from Tripolis in the Kakia Skala mountains: http://de.geocities.com/sidirodromoi/104/0104c.8.jpg [The Tripoli-Tarabulus, Lebanon horse tram on its way to the port of El-Mina: http://www.blickpunktstrab.net/historic2001_tripolis.jpg ] Kiparissía is on the southwest coast of Peloponnesan peninsula (it isn't an island, just looks like one), here is the stone station, 1997: http://railweb.techsite.cz/galerie/fotky/2226.jpg Loutraki is north on the other side of the isthnus from Corinth, here is Loutraki station: http://railweb.techsite.cz/galerie/fotky/2307.jpg Levadhia station is NW of Athens past Thebes: http://railweb.techsite.cz/galerie/fotky/2301.jpg One more shot of Athens-Larissa station: http://railweb.techsite.cz/galerie/fotky/2306.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #979 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008e01c48bdb$e35ae4a0$d825f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:16:34 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens part 3B, Macedonia Greece Railways map: http://www.alleuroperail.com/eurorailway-maps/greece-railway-map-lg.gif Bulgaria border railway stations map: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/ter/Countries/Bulgaria/Bgr_Border_Stations.j pg Bulgaria Railways map: http://www.unece.org/trans/main/ter/Countries/Bulgaria/Bgr_Railway_Network.j pg At Kulata, Bulgaria: http://www.bdz.bg/pics/bdz07005.jpg Macedonia Railway Museum in West Thessaloniki Military Station: http://www.museumsofmacedonia.gr/Technological/Railway_Thess.html The old Thessaloniki station, 1912 with arrival of occupation Greek troops. (Note the French stamp): http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d39j.jpg Current Thessaloniki station: http://langmedia.fivecolleges.edu/collection/lm_greece/images/gr_train_p1a.j pg http://langmedia.fivecolleges.edu/collection/lm_greece/images/gr_train_p3a.j pg http://wing.zero.ad.jp/~zbk53896/images/pic_ThessalonikiStation.jpg Bus station within Thessaloniki station: http://langmedia.fivecolleges.edu/collection/lm_greece/images/gr_train_p5a.j pg Ticket Office: http://langmedia.fivecolleges.edu/collection/lm_greece/images/gr_postoffice_ p8.jpg In Macedonia, here a passenger train on a railway bridge in the Orthrys area on the Piraeus-Platy line, 1926: http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d35c.jpg Alexandroupolis (Dedeagatch) station is up in Macedonia on the south coast not far from Turkey, on the Thessaloniki-Istanbul border, south of Bulgaria, built by military 1893-6: http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d34f.jpg 1900: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/dedeagatch.jpg This station was between Thessaloniki and Alexandroupolis, called Livera, today the town is abandoned: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/tracks/nestos/livera.jpg Livera station is now the Nestos Touring Club, a guesthouse with accommodations for 16 people. On this line, between Stravroupolis and Toxotes are the Straits of Nestos. The cute Stavroupolis station: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/tracks/nestos/stavrop.jpg A train in the Straits of Nestos: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/tracks/nestos/nestos2.jpg Toxotes station: http://www.sfs.gr/gr/tracks/nestos/tojotes.jpg Alexandroupolis-Svilengrad Railway headed north. 1891-1954. Svilengrad is in Bulgaria. Plovdiv is west of Dimitrovgrad which is a little north. Plovdiv (Philippopoli), Bulgaria station: http://www.postcardman.net/35774.jpg "Stacionnu ulitza": http://www.postcardman.net/35785.jpg Plovdiv 2001: http://www.bdz.bg/pics/bdz07019.jpg http://www.bdz.bg/photos115/mayorplovdiv_13.JPG http://www.bdz.bg/photos115/neshevspeechpllovdiv_14.JPG Thessalonika (Salonika) is largest city in Macedonia (Greek). Thessalonika: Oriental Railway station, 1894: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/orientalsalonica.jpg c. 1900: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/gareCO.jpg Thessalonika Central Railway Station, c. 1900: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/image14908.jpg Thessalonika 1910: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/tram1.jpg 1920: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/tram7.jpg Thessaloniki Railway Station (1900-1930): http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d36a.jpg Arch: 1941: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/tramgalerios.jpg Here is the Thessaloniki Military station from 1915-1918: http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d39g.jpg And here the Greek Railways Organization Suburban Station, Thessaloniki (c. 1950-1994): http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d37k.jpg Constantinople (Istanbul): Central Railway Station of Oriental Railways, c. 1900: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/istabul.jpg Constantinople. Pendik station, 1910: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/istabul1.jpg Sirkeci Railway Station, Le Gare de l' Europe, Constantinople: http://www.turkishculture.org/images/trainstation1.jpg The Thesaloniki-Skopje-Mitrovitsa Railway north opened 1871-1874 Map: http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d31f.jpg South Balkan Railway map, 1907: http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d31d.jpg For much more stations and histories see: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/photo5.html Brallos station: http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/images/brallosstation.jpg Gevgelija is the first Macedonian (the country) station on the line to Skopje from Greece, 2000: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/mk/station/gevgelija1.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/mk/station/gevgelija2.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/mk/station/gevgelija3.jpg Skopje (Macedonia) station, pre 1963 earthquake: http://faq.macedonia.org/images/sk.zelezn.63.jpg Today: http://faq.macedonia.org/images/stara.zheleznichka.jpg http://frank.gwc.org.uk/~ali/HolidayPhotosJan2003/images/095_train_station_s kopje.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/mk/station/mk-zb1.jpg Here is the end of the line at Mitrovitsa (in Kosovo): http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/HellenicMacedonia/media/original/d32b.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #980 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:24:17 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Petaluma CA depot planned as rail, bus center From Altamont Press Newsline: http://railroadnews.net/news/8-26.html Historic buildings planned as center for rail and bus commuters, tourists Petaluma, California's long-neglected railroad depot on Lakeville Street, recently the focus of efforts to repair and repaint the exteriors of its three buildings, is slated for even more work as the city puts time and dollars into revitalizing the downtown area. The depot buildings, which date to 1914, are planned as the centerpiece of a new gateway area on the east side of downtown that caters to tourists, shoppers and commuters. The depot site, which is owned by Sonoma Marin Area Rapid Transit (SMART), is being leased by the city for a future light rail stop and visitors bureau. Officials want to re-open the depot as a stop along the Northwestern Pacific tracks that are proposed for a North Bay commuter rail line from Cloverdale to San Rafael. The depot's proximity to downtown traffic and a new transit hub proposed nearby make it an ideal place for a visitors center, said Paul Marangella, Petaluma's director of economic development and redevelopment. Last week, the City Council voted to continue that vision, authorizing the $1.3 million second phase of work on the depot -- putting in landscaping and parking areas. The work, which is expected to be completed in January, will include new wiring, utilities and outdoor lights. The third phase of the $3.1 million overall project is remodeling the interior of the three buildings -- known as the depot, baggage and freight buildings -- to prepare them for potential tenants. Funding for that work is planned as part of next year's budget, Marangella said. The baggage building, the smallest structure, located in between the two others, is slated to become restrooms to serve visitors and commuters from the rail line and a new bus terminus proposed for Copeland Street, a block west. "People would walk from the terminus to catch the train," Marangella said. The city is renting the buildings from SMART for the below-market rate of $1,000 a month in exchange for improving the site as a future rail station and visitors center, Marangella said. In voting to approve the next phase of work on the depot last week, Mayor David Glass praised the efforts to restore the historic site. "It's a $3.1 million investment," Glass said. "These are historic buildings that could have been lost to the community." In addition to the reborn depot and a bus transit hub, the area west of Lakeville and east of the river is also being considered for a mixed-use project, said Community Development Director Mike Moore. - Corey Young, The Petaluma Argus-Courier, courtesy Larry W. Grant ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #981 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004401c48d98$0682d740$691ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:15:48 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Athens stations, part 4 (Athens, Attica and Corinth, USA and Grapevine, Texas) [Some people have said some of the links don't work. If it is a long link it probably breaks apart and disconnects from the full link, so instead of clicking on the link you should copy and paste it] Seaboard Air Lines Athens, Georgia station: http://www.onlineathens.com/galleries/history99/images/28.jpg http://www.jcballentine.com/a559.jpg S.A.L. Trestle, Athens, Georgia: http://orangefox.svs.com/rem/gif/Trestle.gif Athens (Georgia) Street Railway, 1910: http://206.103.49.193/odds/ga/jpg/ath01.jpg Athens, Indiana (Erie) (op. c. 1909): http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/e/ErieRailroad/a-429.jpg Athens, Ohio (B&O) depot in 1996: http://www.qsl.net/wd8rif/img/athens1.jpg http://www.qsl.net/wd8rif/img/athens2.jpg 1981: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/ath_st_04.jpg http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/ath_st_03.jpg http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/ath_st_06.jpg 1976: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/Ath203.jpg 1977 w/ Amshack: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/Xxy006.jpg 1990: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/Union0499.jpg More B&O in Athens, Oh. here: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/Tour_Ath2.html Athens, Ohio: http://www.45701.com/stationstrest/ Athens, O. (C&O) Freight depot, 1981: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/Xdd045.jpg Athens, Ohio (Toledo & Ohio Central): http://www.west2k.com/ohpix/athenstoc.jpg I believe the interurban below is from Athens, Ohio, but there is a chance it is Kentucky: Interurban cars of the Nelsonville-Athens, Ohio interurban line (1911-1920): http://www.tcom.ohiou.edu/gallery/history/05-transportation/B2-7J.jpg Nelsonville today is home to the Hocking Valley Railroad: http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/nr-scripts/sending_guests_yo ur_way.asp?zurl=http://www.hvsr.com Nelsonville: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohathens/hvsrailroad.gif Here is Nelsonville depot of the Hocking Valley: http://www.hvsr.com/photos/depot.jpg Nelsonville-Athens Electric Railway, c. 1920s: http://www.tcom.ohiou.edu/gallery/history/05-transportation/84-604dJ.jpg Athens depot (1930s-40s): http://www.tcom.ohiou.edu/gallery/history/05-transportation/B6-09J.jpg Railroads in Athens, O. in 1930: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/athens/ath_map.jpg Athens, Ontario, 1987 mural by Lorrie Maruscak depicting Athens, Ontario depot (1888-1952). On Brockville-Westport line: http://www.ucdsb.on.ca/athens/murals/sum1.jpg Athens, Pennsylvania (Lehigh Valley) depot: http://www.blackdiamondexpress.com/Athens%20Station.jpg http://www.blackdiamondexpress.com/athpa.jpg Corinth, Mississippi Union Station: http://216.247.8.124/pixfiles/2383.jpg Corinth, NY (D&H): http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/914.jpg Corinth (Jct.), NY (D&H) (1911 station): http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/89.jpg South Corinth, New York (Delaware & Hudson RR) depot (1880): 1900: http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/structures_depots/South_Corinth/UNKNOWN/ South-Corinth_C1.jpg 1927: http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/structures_depots/South_Corinth/DH_Colle ction/South-Corinth_W1.jpg 2002: http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/structures_depots/South_Corinth/Jon-Patt on/South-Corinth_W1.jpg 8th & Corinth DART station (Dallas Area Rapid Transit), Texas: http://www.dart.org/8thcorinthstation.asp http://www.dfwinfo.com/trans/bikeped/access_to_rail/Photos_large/8th%20and%2 0Corinth%20Station.jpg http://www.dfwinfo.com/trans/bikeped/access_to_rail/8thCorinth_station.htm The Corinth and Counce Railroad, from Corinth, Mississippi to Counce, Tennessee. To Yellow Creek is 9.9 miles. Now part of the Kansas City Southern (Wasn't this the railroad that had a derailment while a train was standing still? How did it survive?) No pictures found for Corinth, Miss.... Corinth, Mississippi 1.5 miles up the Ruslor Junction to Golden line. The station built 1943 burned 1971. Originally Mississippi & Alabama RR, then Alabama Western; Illinois Central; Gulf, Mobile & Ohio; Norfolk Southern. The Battle of Shilo in the Civil War was fought over the railroad junction at Corinth, Mississippi. This was the gateway to "the Western Theater." The "Crossroads of the Confederacy" this was the junction between the Memphis & Charleston Railroad and the Mobile & Ohio. See this page and see the junction today: http://www.civilwaralbum.com/shiloh/corinth_sites2.htm This is probably the original Corinth, Miss. depot in this 1862 photo, but there is a chance it is Tupelo: http://www.bigcountry.de/shiloh2.jpg The Confederates withdrew by the M&O from Corinth to Tupelo Athenia, New Jersey (Clifton) 1987 (D, L&W): http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~tubbs/ErieLackawanna/104-06.JPG http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~tubbs/ErieLackawanna/100-02.JPG Athenia, N.J. (Erie RR) [the link on this RSHS New Jersey Depots page does not work: http://www.trainweb.org/rshs/NJ%20Depot%20Photo%20Links.htm ] Here it is from a different page: Athenia, N.J. (Erie Newark Branch), 1989: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~tubbs/ErieLackawanna/168-18.JPG http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~tubbs/ErieLackawanna/168-17.JPG Attica (Attika) is the Greek name for Athens. Near Attica, New York is Alexander station (Erie) on the Attica, Avon and Corning Line: http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/e/ErieRailroad/j2-09.jpg The Arcade and Attica railroad station at Arcade, N.Y., c. 1909, (blt. 1830) http://rin.buffalo.edu/images/illu/c_wyom/comm/muse/arca_atti_rr1.jpg http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/4.jpg The Buffalo & Susquehanna station at Arcade, NY: http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/42.jpg The Tonowanda Valley & Cuba depot, Arcade, N.Y., 2000: http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/720.jpg Attica, N.Y. (Erie) blt. 1879 (on the Hornell-Buffalo, Arkport-East Buffalo lines), 1909: http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/e/ErieRailroad/l-22.jpg http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/e/ErieRailroad/l-23.jpg very overexposed pictures. Attica, N.Y. (Erie) station in 2002: http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/195.jpg Attica, N.Y. (New York Central) depot in 2000: http://ny.existingstations.com/archive/388.jpg The Attica & Buffalo Railroad depot in Buffalo, N.Y.: http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/terminal/history/attica.jpg A good page on the stations of Buffalo with great photos is here: http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/terminal/history/history.html Attica, Kansas (Santa Fe) depot (blt 1884), 1920: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/6778.jpg 1931: http://www.atsfry.com/EasternArchive/Photo/database/000241.htm Destroyed by 1954 tornado The newer depot in 1976: http://www.dicklightle.com/Pictures/12057.jpg I couldn't find depots for the Athens in California ("SP"), Alabama (LN), Illinois (Chicago & Inland Midland), Kansas (Missouri Pacific), Louisiana (Louisville & North West), Tennessee (LN and Southern), Texas (SP and also St. Louis Southwestern. It is SE of Fort Worth on this "Cotton Belt" map: http://sptco.railspot.com/SP_Division-Maps/SSW_Route-Map_ETT-No.1_1976.jpg ), Athena, Oregon (BN, UP), Athena Park, Georgia (Seaboard Coast Line), New Athena, Ill. (Illinois Central); Atticas in Indiana (Norfolk & Western), Michigan (Grand Trunk Western), Ohio (Norfolk & Western), Saskatchewan (Canadian Pacific) and Attica Junction, Ohio (N&W); Corinths in: Kansas (Southern Pacific); Mississippi (CCR; Illinois Central Gulf; Southern Ry.); North Carolina (Norfolk Southern), North Dakota (a GN branch to Grenora in the northwest part of the state between Alamo and Wildrose. Corinth is north of Williston); Ontario (Canadian Northern; Norfolk Western); West Virginia (B&O); New Athens, Ohio in Ohio north of Flushing, Lafferty, Fairpoint on the B&O out of Martins Ferry and Wheeling; and south of what I think was a Pennsylvania RR branch near Adena, Dillonvale, Piney Fork, Cadiz, Hopedale, Smithfield This is a nice depot. Grapevine, Texas on the Cotton Belt (blt. 1901): http://www.lovetripper.com/PHOTOS/GRAPVIN2easm.JPG http://www.swphq.com/grapevine_tx_depot_01_art_fisher.jpg http://tower94.bennoah.net/images/buildings/grapevine_cb_depot.jpg http://www.dmafc.com/photos/train/station.jpg Originally planned as a railroad from St. Louis to Mexico City. The Cotton Belt line came to Grapevine 1888, the last passenger service to this station 1930. The railroad closed this station in 1972. "Puffy" passes the station: http://www.grapevinesteamrailroad.com/graphics/depot.jpg Puffy was built in Paterson, N.J. 1896. The 21 mile Grapevine Vintage Railroad: http://www.dallasmetroplex.org/coupons/grapevine_railroad.jpg http://www.grapevinesteamrailroad.com/charters.asp The Fort Worth and Western at Grapevine: http://tower94.bennoah.net/images/fwwr/fwwr1500.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #982 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003a01c48e62$2b2c9de0$742ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:22:48 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Saskatchewan Bangor, Saskatchewan 50°54'-N 102°17'-W Upper left in this map: http://www.becquet.com/director/maps/Bangor.htm There are 4 different railroad lines that go through this map, though this doesn't show railroads. The Canadian Pacific line goes through Churchbridge, Langenburg, Marchwell all on this map. To the west Bredenbury, Saltcoats, Yorkton, then way up north to Nipawin. Laying the steel Canadian Pacific cantilever bridge, Nipawin: http://216.247.8.124/pixfiles/444.jpg Bredenbury station: http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=4045&pic=5 [Saltcoats, Scotland station: http://www.visitsaltcoats.com/postcard/images/card02.jpg Saltcoats, Scotland is on the Ayshire Coast Saltcoats, Scotland station today: http://fp.ayrshireroots.plus.com/Towns/Saltcoats/New%20Views/station.jpg ] I couldn't find Yorkton, Sask., on the eastern border with Manitoba. On the western border of Saskatchewan is Swift Current. See the Swift Current station: http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/business/businessDir/swiftcurrent/swiftcurrent .html Back to Bangor, Saskatchewan and vicinity. Returning to the map- Next south (these lines all go slightly WNW) is the Canadian Northern line through Bangor. It also goes through Waldron going west and then Melville, Birmingham, Fenwood, eventually Saskatoon; at Melville a Camadian National line heads SW to Regina. Going east from Bangor, the CN line stations are at Atwater, Marchwell, Gerald, Binscarth. Binscrath (Sharon Larson oil): http://www.pacificgallery.ca/dynamic/images/detail/32_14_BINSCARTH_Rev4.jpg Saskatoon Railway Station: http://www.pc.gc.ca/docs/pc/rpts/heritage/images/5heritage_e_65_1.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F010.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F020.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F040.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F050.jpg Now a restaurant. Trains to Saskatoon stop outside central city, outside town. Saskatoon CN station at end of 21st Street: http://www.publib.saskatoon.sk.ca/images/LHWebphotos/LH3564b.jpg Saskatoon Central Station is now a mall: http://www.letmestayforaday.com/photo/?id=162234 http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F080.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F060.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F090.jpg http://www.travelwestvisual.com/TravelSask/Images/Pict54/Large/CeWest/Saskat /Stations/810315F070.jpg Saskatoon Municipal Railway: http://206.103.49.193/odds/sk/jpg/sask03.jpg http://206.103.49.193/odds/sk/jpg/sask01.jpg http://206.103.49.193/odds/sk/jpg/sask04.jpg http://206.103.49.193/odds/sk/jpg/sask02.jpg Saskatoon Transit System Route 2 "Pleasant Hill" trolleybus, 1962: http://www.natransit.com/photo/saskatoon/sask_175.jpg Saskatoon today has a bus operating on Canola diesel fuel. Continuing using the map- A third line goes through Esterhazy, , to the west this CP line- Stockholm, Dubuc, Grayson on this map, Neudorf, Lemborg, Abernathy, Belcarres, north to Humboldt and Prince Albert. East of Esterhazy- Tantallon. Rocanville, Welwyn, McCauley, all but the last on this map link. From Belcarres the CN line from Melville SW to Regina. Duff is a stop between Melville and Belcarres. A stop before Regina is Fort Qu' Appelle. The fourth rail line on this map, another Canadian Pacific line. Through Whitewood west Broadview, Grenfell, Sintaluta, Indian Head, Qu' Appelle, Balgonu, Regina. East of Whitewood- Wapella, Moosomin.... Rocanville CP station: http://www.rocanvilletown.ca/images/smTrainStation.jpg Indian Head CP station, c. 19th century: http://agent86.tripod.com/station.jpg Qu'Appelle CP station, May 1885: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/sk/images/Troops-by-Quappell-Station.jpg Qu'Appelle CP depot, c. 1900s: http://library.usask.ca/spcoll/postcardsquappelle/qulxx0886a.html Qu' Appelle station is in South Qu' Appelle. The old Qu'Appelle became Fort Qu' Appelle. This must be reason for the two differents stations, I think the 1885 one is now Ft. Qu'Appelle. qu' Appelle (the current one was originally called Troy.) If it is confusing, look here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~cansk/Saskatchewan/q.html A map of the Qu'appelle and Long Lake Railway: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/fransaskois/Communaute/palbert/princea2.gif Regina CPR station, c. 1910: http://cac.mcgill.ca/cac/bland/building/pictures/full/200-290.jpg Yipes! It's a casino now: http://users.volja.net/aljazp/Travels/Canada2003/Pics/IMG_0038_low.jpg Regina streetcar, Regina Streetcar, Albert Street Bridge, c. 1930s: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regina/pics/1910-1950/street_car_1935.jpg On 11th Street, Regina: http://www.postcardman.net/82083.jpg Regina was laid out as a railroad town. Earlier Canadian cities had grid patterns with streets parallel to the river; American towns have main streets heading to a courthouse. Canadian towns and cities which began with the railroads have grids with the streets parallel to the railroad tracks, the main street ending at the railroad station.. Rosthern is on the CN line from Saskatoon to Prince Albert. Rosthern Canadian National Station. The Station Art Centre now, this is an "award winning" resttoration. Rosthern depot with steam engine approaching: http://www.stationarts.com/history/cnr9.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/cnr13.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/cnr10.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/cnr11.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/cnr12.jpg Nice Mansard roof. One of the few examples surviving in Saskatchewan.: http://www.stationarts.com/history/reno003.jpg http://va6bc.no-ip.com/rosthern/2.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/img/0019in.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/0019.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/history/stnos012.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/tearoom/tearoom202.jpg http://www.rosthern.com/pics/station1.jpg http://www.stationarts.com/tearoom/joan201.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #983 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." Subject: (rshsdepot) Fort Ogden, FL ACL freight station destroyed? This came on our TotalCSX list. I haven't been able to verify this online. Seth, have you heard anything about this yet? Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:20 -0400 From: csxtbonevalley Subject: (totalcsx) Wrath of Charley Since AFM brought it up last week, I have some more information about one of Charley's targets. From a South Central Florida Express engineer, I understand the former ACL freight station in Fort Ogden has been destroyed. This is on the upper end of the Seminole Gulf Railway's Fort Myers division. The depot had been (I think) a millwork dealer for some time. They had moved it away from the tracks just a bit towards US 17, and restored it to an almost as-built likeness, minus the "Fort Ogden" station signs. But, no more. Charley: good tuna.....bad storm. DS ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <01a001c48eee$b448d850$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:08:54 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Fort Ogden, FL ACL freight station destroyed? It is very possible. I think I saw something about it on the serails list. I was there last winter, around Feb, and got to see the building. And now, of course, we're holding our breath on this coast as this next monster moves toward us, hoping and praying it makes the expected turn north. Stay well and all the best. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." To: "RSHS EMail List" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Fort Ogden, FL ACL freight station destroyed? > > This came on our TotalCSX list. I haven't been able to verify this online. > > Seth, have you heard anything about this yet? > > Henry > > J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator > www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting > www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:52:20 -0400 > From: csxtbonevalley > Subject: (totalcsx) Wrath of Charley > > Since AFM brought it up last week, I have some more information about one of Charley's targets. From a South Central Florida Express engineer, I understand the former ACL freight station in Fort Ogden has been destroyed. This is on the upper end of the Seminole Gulf Railway's Fort Myers division. The depot had been (I think) a millwork dealer for some time. They had moved it away from the tracks just a bit towards US 17, and restored it to an almost as-built likeness, minus the "Fort Ogden" station signs. But, no more. Charley: good tuna.....bad storm. > > DS > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002c01c48efa$dfd59060$5d5e70d1_@_johndoe> References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:36:00 -0500 From: "Louis Van Winkle" Subject: (rshsdepot) Harbor Springs michigan depot Hi , I have added a new page to my site on Michigan passenger stations, covering the former Grand Rapids & Indiana depot in Harbor Springs. http://user.mc.net/~louisvw/depot/HarborSprings/harbspr.htm Designed by Sidney Osgood, a Grand Rapids MI architect, and built in 1887, the depot was the end of the line for the GR&I's Suburban trains. They served a string of resort towns between Harbor Springs and Petoskey. In the peak years there were 8 trains a day each way, serving half a million customers a year. Four years ago the depot was rebuilt and restored to serve as home to a very high-end art and antiques store. It looks great. Lou Van Winkle ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #984 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org