From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005501c46000$5bef6a60$d522f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:46:50 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Regenwalde, Treptow & Loitz stations Regenwalde Bahnhof: http://www.conell.de/Emigration/regenwalde_bahnhof.jpg Resko, Poland today Regenwalde Nord of the Kolberger narrow gauge: http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/p_regenw.jpg Trzebiatow (Treptow) (Greifenberger Kleinbahn-narrow gauge) station: http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/1997-1061_trzebiatow.jpg Loitz (Kleinbahn Loitz- narrow gauge) "Endbahnhof" http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/p_loitz1.jpg Krone Sud (Walcz): http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/2001-x153_eg_dt_krone_sued.jpg Manow: http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/p_kbb02.jpg Koslin: http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/images/koszalin3.jpg Here is a whole page of stations on the Lenz-Gebäude line: http://www.bahn-in-pommern.de/sonstiges/kleinbahn-eg.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #936 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009501c460d4$f52b37c0$e121f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 04:08:38 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Fort Washington (WaHi), Rockville Centre, the Little Red Lighthouse, Audubon and other July 4th related history items picture links at end of history Highest points in New York City: Manhattan - Bennett Park - 265 Feet Bronx - Fieldston Hill - 285 Feet Queens - North Shore Towers Hill - 258 Feet Brooklyn - Battle Hill - 220 Feet Staten Island - Todt Hill - 420 Feet Fresh Kills Landfill is 450 feet "Washington Heights is filled with revolutionary memories. Upon its crown, then called Mount Washington, stood old Fort Washington, which extended its earthworks to the river. The only remains of these are at Jeffrey's Hook. The Bloomingdale Road, a continuation of Broadway, is macadamized for twenty miles, and makes a splendid drive."...New York Times Jul. 6, 1868 on Summer Resorts such as the old Huguenot town of New Rochelle, Also in this article which uses the rail lines to explain the site is this about Rockville Centre: "Of these various stations, the first which approximates the sea is Rockville Centre, nineteen miles from New-York, and which is but a short walk from the Bay. It has, running through it from Hempstead, a limpid fresh water stream, which is dammed along its distance into a series of beautiful lakelets, affording both boating and fishing. One of these is converted into a reservoir for supplying Brooklyn with water." In May 1900 there was an historical tour of Fort Washington area, the Hamilton Grange, the mansion of Alexander Hamilton, the stumps of the 13 trees that Hamilton planted in honor of the original states..."'Hamilton wanted to abolish State lines and bring the States together,' said Dr. Kelley. 'If he had succeeded, he would probably have choked the Union as he choked the trees.'" (by planting them too close to each other.) The first tree that died was dedicated to South Carolina, killed by lightening....this was where the Civil War began, in South Carolina. The only tree that was still flourishing in 1900 was the one that had been dedicated to New York. "From these trees was fashioned the handle for the spade with which Mayor Van Wyck began the work on the rapid transit tunnel a few weeks ago." Further north he pointed out a Benjamin Franklin milestone "now" against a wall of the West One Hundred and Fifty-second Street police Station." (9 miles to Wall St., probably in New-York Historical Society museum now) The Battle of Harlem was fought in 1776 at Trinity Church up in these parts....Audubon's house is up there (at least in 1900). Dr. Kelley tells about Au\dubon working for 10 years compiling his material and then his dog destroyed his work up here Supposedly at One-Hundred and Fifty-Seventh Street in a cliff above over "the Speedway" is an entrance to an Indian cave (is this still here> This area was once Fort George... General Jumel settled in the old Morris mansion at 158th Street after Napoleon was sent to St. Helena. He had been one of Napoleon Bonaparte's officers. Jumel planted a circle of Egyptian cypress trees around a fish pond at the mansion...At the time of this 1900 tour a semi-circle of these trees that Napolean had brought back from Egypt to Paris, were still there minus the fish pond. Aaron Burr courted the Jumel widow when he was 78 years old, and she eventually accepted but they separated after a month. John Jacob Astor then bought the mansion. In Fort Washington Park was a preserved earthwork from the old fort. "The Westchester County men used to hide here with their turkey rifles resting on the breastwork and kill off the officers on the British men-of-war passing up and down the river." There was an Indian pot hole....30 inches in diameter..I think this might be the park with the lighthouse in it now, I think this is all asphalt now, but maybe I am confused... There was a point, Jeffrey's Hook where Washington took the boat to Fort Lee as the Hessians captured Fort Washington along with 3,000 prisoners..as he crossed the river he saw many of his men bayoneted after they had held up the white flag bringing him to tears... The fort was on the hill above, Washington had wanted to evacuate, it was Congress which insisted on protecting the fort...I wonder if any irregular mounds are still there.. At the nearby Ryer farm they were always unearthing shattered skulls and war stuff when they plowed...Ryer's farm in 1900 in Washington Heights, maybe where the Washington Bridge approach is now with the tall buildings above... Along King's Bridge Road was Fort Tryon, Fort George was up there someplace as well, as well as Fort Wendel. It was late he had to end the tour Trinity Church Cemetery is at 155th, Fort Washington Park is at 168th, This is where they say Jeffrie's Hook was then, implying that this name was used elsewhere as I have read north near where the bridge is now at 178th. The little lighthouse is south of bridge now, about 174th... The next Times article is in 1915...this one a Sunday feature.....it also puts a lie to what I said just now; in 1915 Fort Washington was at 181st. where Riverside Drive was once Lafayette Boulevard and now Plaza Lafayette is up there...today this Fort Washington Park is in a different place...so Jeffrie's Hook was where the bridge is.. The British renamed Fort Washington Fort Knyphausen, actually the Hessians probably named it this... A redoubt was in the park with a boulder monument inscribed "American Redoubt, 1776." The promontory once called Jeffrey's Hook was in 1915 called Fort Washington Point. In 1915 there was a ferry to Fort Lee from 130th Street....Washington and other generals used Burdett's Ferry...There was a moon-shaped battery at t Jeffrey's Hook, a one-gun "lunette", a "chevaux de frise. There were beaches here in 1915 where the West Side Highway is now... The west side of Fort Washington Avenue at 183rd was where the fort was, the central cathedral above, this is the highest point in Manhattan... Colonel Rufus Putnam ("Old Put") commanded Fort Washington. The British under General Howe were stationing themselves on Fordham Heights as far as King;s Bridge. Fort Lee and Fort Washington were supposed to protect the river but British ships passed through unharmed... The situation for Fort Washington was hopeless but Congress insisted it be defended Upon meeting his generals mid-river and hearing that reinforcements were sent to defend a hopeless cause...E.M. Bacon writes: "Less discrete historians than Irving have not hesitated to say that the Father of His Country on that occasion expressed his excitement in language of much greater vigor than is countenanced by polite custom. In other words, this is believed to have been one of the rare occasions upon which Washington swore." Fighting against 5 to 1 in man power, the Americans killed 500 Hessians who were so mad on capturing the fort they proceeded to start killing the captured men until Howe stopped them..for a long time a deep ravine there was known as "Death Gap". The Hessians had tried to come up this way and huge boulders were thrown down on them... In 1915 therew as still the Hessian Spring, east of Ft. Wash. Ave, a small brook trickled in a gully down the slope, coming from rocks in a tiny stream. The revolutionary soldiers drank here and in 1915 neighborhood people brought bottles and pails to get the "clear, cool water." Higher up the slope, a bit south was cisternlike circular covering of laid brick that once concealed ammunition... I am sure this is all gone. The Child Welfare League had a community garden across the street in 1915... Libby Castle on the Hudson must be gone now too...This was (is?) a house that looks like a castle built by a William Alexander Richards in 1864. Later occupied by William "Boss" Tweed. Fort Tryon was the northern outwork of Fort Washington. Margaret Corbin, a local woman, became the first woman to fight in the war for liberty at Fort Tryon along with Maryland and Virginia regiments. This battle took place 11/16/1776. Molly Pitcher would do the same later at the Battle of Monmouth. Her husband was killed in front of her and she took his place. In 1915 artifacts from the fort were at Roger Morris mansion at 160th, maybe still are. I like the end of this 1915 piece: "If you have still some hours of playtime ahead of you, why not continue from Fort Tryon, northward down the hill, passing the yellow inn at the curve of the avenue, following the picturesque windings down to Broadway, and so on to Dyckman Street, and west to the new ferry? Have you tried it yet? From a modern electric-lighted pier the boats sail across the Hudson to the point where Englewood Pier of old days used to welcome travelers. Here you are delivered at the foot of the new road of the Palisades, and there's a sturdy climb ahead of you if you follow it to the top. Picnic grounds are everywhere, on the shore near the ferry landing, or above on the cliffs overlooking the river." this 9/5/1915 article was by Sarah Comstock In 1925 when the bridge was first planned the news was the connecting of the two historic Revolutionary War forts. "Old Fort Washington stood on Mount Washington at 181st Street, just west of the present Fort Washington Avenue."...At this time one could still find artifacts on the remaining shore here. Gnawed bones, teeth of deer, bears and muskrat, oyster shells. Jeffrie's Point went a third of the way into the estuary....(they mean the Hudson)...They call the first battery here a "demi-lune"...Fort Washington was on the summit extending from 181st St. to 184th, west of Fort Washington Avenue on the highest point in Manhattan, 270 feet above tide water....earthworks 350 feet in length with five bastions....the barracks were on what is now Bennett Avenue (in 1925)..there was a glacis to the south.. Finally in 1926 more on the little red lighthouse..William Knapp was the keeper of the lighthouses at the foot of 180th Street, the only such one on Manhattan Island..It was the only lighthouse on the Hudson River between Governors Island and Tarrytown. "It is the most conspicuous object in that neighborhood, yet a tugboat managed to pile herself up on the rocks near it a few days ago, in daylight." At night flashed a red signal every three seconds..warning bell every 15 seconds... "Jeffrey's Hook, or Fort Washington Point, marks the northern end of the Hudson River indentation that used to be known as Stryker's Bay. This is a wide sweep of the river extending from about Ninety-sixth Street to 180th Street. It was famous for many years for fishing and bathing. Waters off the point now are a canoists' rendezvous and are still used for swimming." There was the lighthouse on north end of Blackwell's (Welfare, Roosevelt) Island but although part of County of NY, it is not on Manhattan...That lighthouse built 1875... There was talk of improving the site, adding parking, no mention of the bridge coming... It was moved to foot of 168th when bridge was built, closed in 1947, in 1951 Coast Guard wanted it sold and removed...In 1951 the Times was comparing the plight of the little red lighthouse under the big gray bridge with people in the world who felt dwarfed and futile between the USSR and America....I found it: Now here are some pictures: Fort Washington plaque: http://www.brorson.com/M4Bus/BusAndFortWashingtonPlaque.jpg George Washington was at highest point in Manhattan here, highest point in Brooklyn (Green-Wood Cemetery) in Battle of Long Island, and highest point in Bronx (Fieldston in Van Cortlandt Park) before entering Manhattan in triumph. James Gordon Bennett, publisher of New York Herald owned the Fort Washington site from 1871. He is considered the pioneer of American popular (penny press) journalism. Bennett's son was going to preserve the land but died in 1918. The land was subdivided, the city buying the land they considered Washington as standing on. Bennett Park opened 1929, in 1930 an American Elm was planted there in honor of Washington... Fort Washington had been considered the "American Gibraltar", a rock commanding a narrow waterway...: http://www.nyfreedom.com/fortwashingtonrock.jpg Highest point: http://americasroof.com/image/nyc-manhattan-sign.jpg 265.5 feet also called Long Hill. The person is sitting on the summit of Manhattan. Bennett Park, Fort Washington, was called Penadnik by the Delaware Munsee Indians, the Dutch called it Long Hill and used it for lumbering. Washington Heights is now WaHi Morris-Jumel mansion Built 1765: http://www.ghostclub.org.uk/spspring01pix/morris-jumel.jpg http://www.riverheritage.org/Riverguide/Stories/assets/images/richardson-morris_mansion.jpg Built by British colonel Roger Morris. ..Washington used house as headquarters for 2 months...after Revolutionary war house was taken back by Americans, the mansion became Calumet Hall, a tavern..., the first stop on the Post Road to Albany....Presidential commemorative dinner took place there in 1790. ...Jumel bought it 1810.....historical landmark and museum since 1907.. The mansion is haunted, female voices come out of the grandfather clock... http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues02/nov02/images/harlem_morris_jumel_mansion.jpg http://www.harlemlive.org/community/orgs/MJmansion/images/frontenterance.JPEG http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/pwwmh/jumel1.jpg one of the most important examples of Georgian architecture in the country. A two story colonnaded portico and an octagonal wing. The wood made to look like stone...built as a summer retreat... http://www.jhpokorny.com/webimages/morris_j/moju1.jpg http://www.jhpokorny.com/webimages/morris_j/moju3.jpg http://www.jhpokorny.com/webimages/morris_j/moju2.jpg http://members.home.nl/a.ploum/images/nyc/harlem/harlemgr01.jpg http://www.magazinusa.com/images_st2/nyc/m_jummel_mansion.jpg http://www.angot.org/frefra/1999-NY/j07/tn/TN_11-05.JPG Hamilton Grange National Monument: John McComb designed this Federal style country home on a sprawling 32 acre estate. Completed 1802, named The Grange after Hamilton's ancestral home in Scotland. He lived here two years before Aaron Burr killed him (yes, the acquitted Burr married Mrs. Jumel for a short time; this is why she haunts that mansion) http://photo.itc.nps.gov/storage/images/hagr/hagr-ImageF.00002.jpeg http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parkphotos/hagr%2Dwide%2Ejpg http://www.nyctourism.com/merchant/images/locations/location696.jpg http://www.jazztet.com/paulblair/hamilton.jpg http://photo.itc.nps.gov/storage/images/hagr/hagr-ImageF.00001.jpeg EXHIBITIONS Harlem Lost and Found May 3, 2003 - January 4, 2004 141st Street, east from Amsterdam Avenue, New York, c. 1909 Thaddeus Wilkerson Postcard MCNY Print Archives “There is so much to see,” said the writer Langston Hughes, referring to the Harlem he found in 1921. More than eighty years later, there is still so much to see and enjoy in Harlem, where a walk down any street brings an encounter with the past in dialogue with the present. Harlem’s broad boulevards and residential side streets boast some of the most extraordinary architecture in the city, a physical record of Harlem’s multi-layered history and of the generations of New Yorkers who have called it home. Harlem Lost and Found traces the architectural history of a vibrant neighborhood as it evolved from farmland and suburb into thriving metropolis on the eve of its explosion into world consciousness as the cultural capital of black America. By looking at the structures where the people of Harlem have resided, worked, and worshipped, it opens a window into their lives. The exhibition also celebrates contemporary New Yorkers who are working hard to preserve an irreplaceable built environment. Inspired by the book of the same title by historian and Harlem resident Michael Henry Adams, who serves as the exhibition’s guest curator, Harlem Lost and Found features many period images and objects that have never before been exhibited. Material chosen from the Museum’s rich collections, selected loans, and arresting contemporary color photographs by Paul Rocheleau evoke the extraordinary texture of everyday life in Harlem. “A Most Charming Landscape” – New York Times, April 3, 1869 The Early History of Harlem For two centuries after the arrival of European settlers, Upper Manhattan was a district of farms and country estates populated by descendants of Dutch, French, and English settlers as well as by African Americans, most of whom were slaves (New York State did not entirely abolish slavery until 1841). Named for the City of Haarlem, which was some ten miles north of the capital of the Netherlands, Nieuw Haarlem similarly was some ten miles north of New Amsterdam, the Dutch settlement located at the southern tip of Manhattan island. The rapid growth of the distant downtown city, fueled by prosperity and immigration, soon caused a general northward expansion of the population. Most of the farms and great estates fell prey to the building booms of the post-Civil War period and later. Many of those estates left only their names—Bradhurst, Jumel, Audubon—as tantalizing reminders of what once was. Watt-Pinkney Mansion (Edwin Levick, arch.) 1796 Built in 1796, this house was acquired around 1826 by Archibald Watt and was later occupied by his stepdaughter, Mary G. Pinkney. It stood originally on a low rise of land between present-day West 139th and West 140th Streets. In the 1860s, when Seventh Avenue was extended northward from Central Park, the mansion was moved to 139th Street. After Mary G. Pinkney died in 1908, the house was unoccupied until about 1915, when the Libya nightclub opened there. The club catered to Harlem’s most influential politicians, professional people, and theatrical personalities until it closed around 1921. The mansion, a remarkable example of Federal architecture, was demolished in 1925. 1908 photo: http://www.mcny.org/Exhibitions/Harlem%20L&F/pinkney-mansion.jpg Audubon Terrace is where Audubon's estate was... The Audubon Estate was on the Banks of the Hudson. Foot of 156th Street at Carmansville. Trinity Cemetery and Audubon Terrace here now. The estate had a name- Minnie's Land or Minniesland: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/minnieslandcolorscan.jpg This wood engraving by Richardson and Cox after W.R. Miller first appeared in Homes of American Authors, G. P. Putnam, 1853. The original was painted by Miller on July 4, 1852, about 18 months after Audubon's death. The engraving appeared in the many editions of Audubon, the Naturalist in the New World - His Adventures and Discoveries by Mrs. Horace St. John, first published in 1856. (This scan is from the 1861 edition).: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/jjahome1853.JPG Another 19th Century image of Audubon's home, this picture appeared in Harper's Monthly Magazine in October of 1880: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/jjahomeharpers-OCT-1880.jpg From Herrick, Audubon the Naturalist, 1917. Herrick, among others, championed the cause of the house, believing it deserved preservation. The buildings visible behind the house are still standing today.: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/jjahome1917.jpg House in March 1925. From The Mentor, June 1925. From "Audubon, Author and Artist" by Richard Dean. The article said the house would be demolished to allow a change in the direction of Riverside Drive. The house was to remain in this location, however, for six more years. (Thanks to Bill Steiner for the magazine.): http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/jjahome1925.JPG The Audubon family lived here 1842-1863 (he died 1852) .. Victor Gifford Audubon's home at Minnie's Land. From Herrick, Audubon the Naturalist, 1917.: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/victorshome1917.JPG John Woodhouse Audubon's home at Minnie's Land. From Herrick, Audubon the Naturalist, 1917. : http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/johnshome1917.JPG an illustrated article in the February 1932 Bird-Lore that includes one of the last photos of the John James Audubon home before it was moved from its original site. Below are scans of the three pages of the article, written by Harold E. Decker, who stepped in to save the house just as demolition had begun. According to the Bird-Lore article, the house was moved to New York City property at 161st Street, west of Riverside Drive, and work on the foundation was "already well advanced."...CAPTION: AUDUBON HOUSE ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, NEW YORK CITY, AS IT APPEARED NOVEMBER, 1931 JUST PRIOR TO BEING TORN DOWN AND REMOVED IN SECTIONS TO NEAR-BY CITY PROPERTY. *: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/birdlorearticle1932_1.jpg The bare outlines of the see-saw fight to preserve the house can be found in the New York Times Index covering the period of October 1931 to January 1932. On December 2, 1931, the Times reported the beginning of wrecking, but just four days later, the Times reported that the house had been saved and moved to a nearby park. Subsequent mentions in the Index are too sketchy to draw conclusions about what happened to the house; Before and after shot (Then and Now): Then: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/jjahome1917.jpg Now: http://minniesland.com/images/minnieslandphotos/LouC09.jpg Much of this came from: http://minniesland.com/about_our_name.html A few of the Jeffrey's Hook Lighthouse (a "spark plug" lighthouse type, one of 35 surviving ones) under the GW Bridge I used to go inside this lighthouse in the early 70s, though they may have moved it, it used to be in the playground area I remember): http://www.birdsandbeacons.com/Lighthouses/JeffreysHookLight-474.jpg http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/Image103.gif http://www.ngbb.org/images/Hudson_Long_Island/Jeffreys_Hook_2.jpg http://www.ngbb.org/images/Hudson_Long_Island/Jeffreys_Hook_1.jpg http://www.birdsandbeacons.com/Lighthouses/JeffreysHookLight.jpg http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/lred1.jpg http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/types/hhlittlered.jpg http://www.historichousetrust.org/msmphotos/lightgwb.jpg http://www.creative-visions.com/newyork/JefferiesB.jpg Many of these 36 remaining sparkplug lighthouses are in New York Harbor: Great Beds lighthouse off Staten Island (1880): http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/gtbeds.htm Robbin's Reef (Kate's Light) (1883)- this is the one off St. George, Staten Island: http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/robrf1.jpg http://www.homestead.com/nylighthousephotos/files/Robbins_reef_-_vignette.jpg http://www.uscgaux.org/~0141401/robinsreef.jpg Old Orchard (1893), also off Staten is.: http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/oldor.htm Romer Shoal (1898), also off S.I.: http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/romer.htm West Bank (1901) off S.I., can be seen from South Beach and Coney Is.: http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/nylights/westb.htm Five are in Long Island Sound: Stamford Harbor (Chatham Rocks) 1882): http://www.lighthouse.cc/stamford/index.html Latimer Reef Light, Fisher Island Sound (1884): http://www.lighthouse.cc/latimer/index.html (closer to Conn.) Saybrook Breakwater lighthouse (1886): http://www.lighthouse.cc/saybrookbreakwater/index.html at the mouth of the Connecticut River Orient Point (1899) guarding the North Fork and the entrance to LI Sound (known as the "Coffee Pot" lighthouse): http://www.longislandlighthouses.com/orientpt.htm Greens Ledge (S. Norwalk, Conn.) 1902: http://www.lighthouse.cc/greensledge/GRNPC1.JPG http://www.lighthouse.cc/greensledge/GRNLPC2.JPG http://www.lighthouse.cc/greensledge/GRNLPC3.JPG http://www.lighthouse.cc/greensledge/photos/2-000809B-GREENSLEDGE.jpg http://www.lighthouse.cc/greensledge/photos/4-002540A-GREENSLEDGE.jpg Peck Ledge (1906) (Norwalk, Conn.) : http://www.lighthouse.cc/pecksledge/index.html And the Tarrytown lighthouse on the Hudson (Kingsland Point) (1883-1961) (Sleepy Hollow) The Tappan Zee Bridge made it obsolete. Cast Iron Caisson: http://www.hudsonlights.com/images/0072-008.jpg http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEBLIGHTHOUSES/sunkenrock.JPG http://www.hudsonlights.com/Images/tarrytown-sailor.jpg http://www.hudsonlights.com/Images/uscg-tarrytown.jpg Gone in Long Island Sound: New Haven Outer Breakwall (1899-1933): http://www.lighthouse.cc/sperry/ Gone in the Hudson: Rockland Lake light (1894-1923): http://hometown.aol.com/thelightkeeper/rocklandlakelight.jpg In mid-1890s it began to lean and was known after as the "Leaning Tower" of Rockland. Nice picture. Sharps Island, Maryland (you'll see why): http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/types/sharps.jpg I will show one non-fire plug lighthouse here, the castle like twin lighthouse at Navesink, N.J.: http://home.neo.rr.com/rodsphotogallery/Lighthouses/NewJersey/HTML/Navesink.html Sandy Hook: http://home.neo.rr.com/rodsphotogallery/Lighthouses/NewJersey/HTML/SandyHook.html ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #937 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005401c46265$442c7640$c22cf7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 03:54:07 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Amazing picture of Cathedral Heights and the Manhattan Elevated S curve at 110th; also Grand Central Depot Here is an amazing set of pictures. We are looking northwest past the Elevated on 110th Street at Cathedral Heights, Morningside Heights and Morningside Park. It says that ex-mayor Seth Low called it "the Acropolis of the New World!! To the right is the 110th Street station http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801517W.JPG Look how incomplete St. John the Divine Cathedral was at this time! Also included is a picture looking west on 110th Street (Cathedral parkway) of the 62 foot high S curve at 110th Street with the 110th Street station and even a 8th Avenue Railroad (New York Railways) streetcar; 159th Street and the Polo Grounds to Canal Street route, ran to 1936) 150 trains an hour used this El curve in rush hours. The Manhattan Elevated Railroad. This page is from King's Views of New York published 1905, but photo may be from 1891. The first Polo Grounds, which had been Colonel Vanderbilt's polo grounds was just behind us in the second photo until 1888 at the north side of 110th and 5th Avenue opposite Central Park Here is an 1890 photo looking at the El curving south onto Columbus: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801505W.JPG Here there are no buildings on the north, so the first must be later than 1891 maybe. And here is a 1901 Souvenir card photo from the New York Recorder of the same view: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801516W.JPG I think we are looking the opposite way in this last photo of the ""S". They must have been building a new entrance, no, come to think of it maybe this is a later photo from the late twenties or early thirties and this construction is part of the 8th Avenue subway, the IND, the A train. Which of course was what led to the end of this elevated line.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801501W.JPG The 5 car train has just come off 8th Avenue. Even this has a new name now, too. What is that crenellated tower in the left distance? Anyone recognize any of the power plants or buildings in this photo? Here, again is a 1878 picture of the 42nd Street and Sixth Avenue station of the Metropolitan (Gilbert) Elevated Railroad. The 6th Avenue El.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801528W.JPG That would be Bryant Park behind the El at the left, behind it the large reservoir where the library is today. Look at all those trees on 42nd Street...Note the horse car on the street. Absolutely nothing in this picture except the sky is extant. Even 6th Avenue has officially a different name... I hear in the new Spiderman movie, there is still an elevated railroad in Manhattan! Coentes Slip with the El is another scene that today is absolutely a different universe. The east side Le wended its way to South Ferry.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801525W.JPG (1891) From a German magazine, here is a drawing of the elevated at Battery Park, at The Battery, A rally nice low elevated station with an interesting (information? tourist info?) kiosk on the platform. The line is curving up to head north on Greenwich Street, we see on the left of picture This is titled "Viadukt der Strasseneisenbahn. Station an der Batterie.": http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801508W.JPG Not dated but by look of the dummy locomotives, this is very early, late 1870s maybe? Now we jump forward in time as we come around the curve from the last picture and head up to the intersection of the following photo titled "Where the Sixth and Ninth Avenue Elevated Railroad Line Diverge.". We are headed north, Greenwich Street is to the left, where the 9th Avenue El heads, This is the one that would head up to that high-in-the air S curve at 110th. To the right is Trinity Street. Man has this area changed.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801507W.JPG (1899) There is steam from the engines in the air, the Els would not be electrified for a couple more years. Might this picture have been taken from the Whitehall Building? Here is a Beatrice Cuming 1934 W.P.A. drawing of the Le still coming up through the seaport area. For about 10 years more.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801502W.JPG Here is the opening of the Brooklyn Elevated railroad, May 13, 1885: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801512W.JPG from Harper's Weekly There are two train stations in this following picture. Here we are looking west on 42nd Street, with the elevated railway branch. We are looking at the Grand Central Le station/terminal with the redesigned Grand Central Depot to the right, 1889. The little steam engine pulling the two car train to GCD, note it is on the left side.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801531W.JPG Here is an amazing photo looking south from Cooper Union, the 3rd Ave heading south to the Bowery...while this looks a lot different than now, it isn't by much, well, not too much: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809714W.JPG 1903 picture Here is St. Luke's Hospital, 1897, Ernest Flagg, architect.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/805149W.JPG These buildings didn't survive, no way, the hospital looked nothing like this in 1969! Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006301c4626a$260da3a0$c22cf7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 04:29:06 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) a few depots Looking north 4th Avenue (South Park) to Grand Central and 42nd Street....see the streetcar tunnel: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/805223W.JPG Inside the Grand Central train shed 1872: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809357W.JPG and 9/33/1876: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809351W.JPG and 1880: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809356W.JPG Hudson River Railroad St. John's Terminal 1868: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809468W.JPG Here is sketch of Lincoln's arrival 1861 at Hudson River RR station at 30th: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809511W.JPG Oct. 28, 1871 Erie RR Freight Depot: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/805661W.JPG Third Avenue Railroad Depot, 1870 http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809464W.JPG: ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #938 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000a01c462f3$c60f8f60$931cf7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:54:18 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) LIRR station for Brighton Beach, 1878 OK, this picture: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/10247862.2214/1.JPEG out of the 1946 Brooklyn Eagle says: "The first train of the Brooklyn, Flatbush and Coney Island Ry. leaving Long Island Station in Brooklyn, N.Y. for Brighton Beach, back in 1878." The sign on the station says Long Island R.R./Brighton Beach So, was this a station on Atlantic Avenue near Franklin? Anyone know? Please explain if so, thank you. Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #939 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <3c51e03c7af6.3c7af63c51e0_@_optonline.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:32:42 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) NRHS Awards Record Grants To Twenty Recipients NRHS Awards Record Grants To Twenty Recipients Minneapolis - July 2=2C 2004 - The National Railway Historical Society to= day announced the awarding of a record =2432=2C000 to 20 recipients of it= s Railway Heritage Grants Program=2E Established in 1991 as a Grant Progr= am awarded to organizations that educate=2C publish=2C and preserve railr= oad history to benefit future generations=2E The Railway Heritage Grants Program=2C now in its thirteenth year=2C has = bestowed over =24253=2C000 to 115 organizations whose projects range from= refurbishing historic railroad stations and restoring vintage steam loco= motives for operating and museum display=2C to the cataloging and storage= of historic railroad archives=2E To date=2C 61 NRHS Chapters and 53 orga= nizations have received a monetary grant from the program=2E Railway Heritage Grants Director Jack Salt stated=2C =93This is by far th= e best quality of grant applicants we have received since I have been inv= olved with the program=2E=94 Salt has been director of the program since = 1999 and=2C when asked about his Grant Committee of six said=2C =93My job= is made much easier by our committee since=2C for the past five years=2C= we are all working together on the same wavelength=2E=94 The Grants Program allows NRHS members and non-members alike an opportuni= ty to submit an application for preservation projects on an annual basis = with a maximum grant award of =245=2C000 per project=2E Vice President a= nd Editor of the historic National Railway Bulletin=2C Jeff Smith said=2C= =93 I think the Grants Program is great! I think it exemplifies our Soci= ety=92s commitment to the preservation of railroad equipment for future g= enerations=2E=94 Headquartered in Philadelphia=2C Pennsylvania=2C the National Railway His= torical Society is the nation=92s largest not-for-profit railroad histori= cal society=2C consisting of over 19=2C000 members and 175 chapters in th= e United States=2C Canada and Great Britain=2E Annually=2C the NRHS provi= des financial and logistical support for students to further their knowle= dge of railroad preservation through RailCamp and Student Photo Sessions=2E= =23=23=23 ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <105.4afdda04.2e1f5e4f_@_aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:34:55 EDT From: Deraildh2_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) NRHS Awards Record Grants To Twenty Recipients Cape Cod Chapter, NRHS is a recipient this year for $$ toward our West Barnstable Station restoration project. Doug Scott CCCNRHS ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004e01c4656c$fa5eb2c0$cd1cf7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:26:56 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) W 23rd Street CNJ, DL&W and Erie Ferry Stations The response was so amazing, I know you wanted more West 23rd Street ferry terminals, from l. to r.: Central RR of New Jersey, Delaware, Lackawanna and Western, Erie with an amazing amount of plaza space pictured in front (an exaggeration by the artist): http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/810028W.JPG Pennsylvania Railroad ferry station, Cortlandt St.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809471W.JPG Fulton Ferry 1740: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801618W.JPG Fulton Ferry 1863: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801626W.JPG Fulton Ferry w/ Brooklyn Bridge c. 1880s: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/10072981.1081/1.JPEG Whitehall Ferry, Staten Island Ferry terminals and the first Revenue Barge Office: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801625W.JPG 1850s maybe Manhattan skyline 1893: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/11108224.4906/1.JPEG 1898: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/11102687.4627/1.JPEG 39th Street Ferry, Sunset Park; note Bush Terminal left rear: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/11090505.4040/1.JPEG c. 1910s Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #940 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <41bb6e42014c.42014c41bb6e_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:23:55 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) East Binghamton, NY Tower demolished On Wednesday, July 7, the the former DL&W East Binghamtom yard tower, last used by CP MOW forces, was demolished. I can't remember off-hand the DL&W designation for this tower, anyone know? Pictures from the EL list via Joshua Blay http://www.railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-09-04 ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000801c465c9$ce09d800$0100a8c0_@_mshome.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:31:27 -0400 From: "Alexander D. Mitchell IV" Subject: (rshsdepot) DL&W E. Binghamton tower falls to wrecker Photos of DL&W's East Binghamton, NY concrete interlocking tower being felled: http://www.railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-09-04 Alexander D. Mitchell IV ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <41808b414f93.414f9341808b_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:54:10 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Perrydale OR Depot Deconstruction About To Begin Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:16:53 -0000 From: "Don Kirk" During the weeks from July 19th., through the 30th., we will be deconstructing the former Oregonian built SP Perrydale Depot; for a 120+ mile move to Cottage Grove, OR. We have decided that the best way to move and guarantee that nothing will get damaged in the move, will be to number all boards at every joint with felt pen and line in the exact spot another board meets it. We will also take literally hundreds of digital photos of the deconstruction; and make measured drawings, to guarantee that every board (some may need replacing) has a chance to be put back in "exactly" the same spot; in the same direction. Otherwise, only the USPS added metal rood and the bricks from the Chimney will be replaced. We will be selling bricks both online; and from the depot's current location; at $5.00 for a take home brick; or $30.00 to have a name engraved into it and it placed in the walk when the depot is reconstructed and restored. The engraved bricks will be placed against the depot building itself, to keep as much rain as possible from damaging them. We will also sell for $25.00 a name, to be placed on a plaque to honor those giving the $25.00 each, to help us save the depot. Anyone in that area wishing to help, may volunteer, by sending your contact information to (close space in name; as Yahoo! won't show whole emails. It now looks like the (OSRM) Oregon State Railroad Museum, will soon announce it's site selection for the museum's new home, to be in the Cottage Grove, OR area. Anyone in that general area (including Eugend/Springfield area, that wishes to get involved in the museum, should also contact us. Our website is frequently updated at . I am moving beginning today; and may be offline for 2 or 3 days; so if you email us, please expect a delay in response. I may get set-up online faster though. Don Kirk OSRM ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1dc.25d925ea.2e202ed9_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:24:41 EDT From: Dherbert53_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) W 23rd Street CNJ, DL&W and Erie Ferry Stations Great Photos, Thanks. I remember those buildings; I must be very old! Dean in Cincy ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <90a3b8f793.8f79390a3b_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:53:33 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Fwd: Re: East Binghamton, NY Tower demolished The tower, built in 1925, was BY. Ed Weber - ----- Original Message ----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net ; rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: East Binghamton, NY Tower demolished On Wednesday, July 7, the the former DL&W East Binghamtom yard tower, last used by CP MOW forces, was demolished. I can't remember off-hand the DL&W designation for this tower, anyone know? Pictures from the EL list via Joshua Blay http://www.railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-09-04 ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002e01c46611$075b07e0$9530f7a5_@_paul> References: <1dc.25d925ea.2e202ed9_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:01:18 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) W 23rd Street CNJ, DL&W and Erie Ferry Stations I know you don't mean you saw the Fulton Ferry Building! (or the early 1800s ferry terminals at South Ferry) When did they remove the 23rd Street ferry stations? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) W 23rd Street CNJ, DL&W and Erie Ferry Stations > Great Photos, Thanks. I remember those buildings; I must be very old! > > Dean in Cincy > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003401c46611$34e4bee0$9530f7a5_@_paul> References: <41bb6e42014c.42014c41bb6e_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:02:34 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) East Binghamton, NY Tower demolished Are they putting a Home Depot or just a parking lot for a Home Depot there instead? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) East Binghamton, NY Tower demolished > On Wednesday, July 7, the the former DL&W East Binghamtom yard tower, last used by CP MOW forces, was demolished. > > I can't remember off-hand the DL&W designation for this tower, anyone know? > > Pictures from the EL list via Joshua Blay > > http://www.railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-09-04 > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004f01c46631$c3fec1a0$641af7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:55:35 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) 1903 New York City elevated railroad movie (20 mgb) http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?papr:8:./temp/~ammem_wMpb::@@@mdbmanz,eaa,aap,aaeo,rbaapcbib,aasm,ftvbib,aaodyssey,hh,gottscho,mharendt,bbpix,bbcards,spaldingbib,magbell,berl,lbcoll,rbpebib,calbkbib,tccc,lhbcbbib,cdn,cic,cwband,cwnyhs,gmd,mreynoldsbib,mtaft,cwar,cola,consrvbib,bdsbib,coolbib,coplandbib,curt,dag,musdibib,fsaall,mfd,papr,aep,fine,fmuever,dcm,cmns,flwpabib,afcreed,cowellbib,toddbib,lomaxbib,ngp,afcwwgbib,haybib,raelbib,hurston,gottlieb,mtj,alad,wpa,mal,scsm,mcc,mymhiwebib,mmorse,aipn,ncpm,ncpsbib,afcwip,fawbib,omhbib,pan,afcpearl,vv,wpapos,psbib,pin,presp,lhbprbib,qlt,ncr,relpet,mussm,dukesm,afcesnbib,mesnbib,llstbib,denn,amss,uncall,fpnas,svybib,runyon,wtc,lhbtnbib,detr,hlaw,lhbumbib,upboverbib,varstg,horyd,mgw,hawp,nawbib,suffrg,awh,awhbib,nfor,sgp,wright ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009501c4664c$bc8077a0$641af7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:08:40 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) NYC&HR RR Barclay Street Station (c. 1900) Barclay Street DL&W ferry station was my favorite. The Greek temple on the Hudson, its final years under the new Twin Towers. Here is a picture of Christmas trees in front of Barclay Street station (1900 to 1905 time period it claims but look at all those wires on those poles on the right; this wasn't allowed after the Great Blizzard in 1888) ...This was north of the ferry terminal. it is a long link http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?detr:3:./temp/~ammem_kCac::displayType=1:m856sd=det:m856sf=4a21364:@@@mdb=manz,eaa,aaeo,aaodyssey,hh,gottscho,bbpix,bbcards,magbell,berl,lbcoll,cdn,cic,cwnyhs,cwar,consrvbib,coolbib,coplandbib,curt,dag,fsaall,aep,fine,fmuever,dcm,cmns,cowellbib,toddbib,lomaxbib,ngp,gottlieb,alad,mcc,mymhiwebib,aipn,afcwip,fawbib,omhbib,pan,vv,wpapos,psbib,pin,presp,qlt,ncr,mesnbib,denn,runyon,wtc,detr,upboverbib,varstg,horyd,hawp,suffrg,awh,awhbib,wright Now a little tribute to the Lackawanna Greek temple Here is a wider view showing that this is New York Central & Hudson River RR Barclay Station, this would be the station photo: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?detr:2:./temp/~ammem_kCac::displayType=1:m856sd=det:m856sf=4a05619:@@@mdb=manz,eaa,aaeo,aaodyssey,hh,gottscho,bbpix,bbcards,magbell,berl,lbcoll,cdn,cic,cwnyhs,cwar,consrvbib,coolbib,coplandbib,curt,dag,fsaall,aep,fine,fmuever,dcm,cmns,cowellbib,toddbib,lomaxbib,ngp,gottlieb,alad,mcc,mymhiwebib,aipn,afcwip,fawbib,omhbib,pan,vv,wpapos,psbib,pin,presp,qlt,ncr,mesnbib,denn,runyon,wtc,detr,upboverbib,varstg,horyd,hawp,suffrg,awh,awhbib,wright The Barclay Street ferry terminal from a much later period from the water with the World Telegram Building behind (directly behind is the art deco telephone building that once had a block long set of large arched bronzed mirror windows along the arched arcade that runs the sidewalk..about the time the WTC was completing they blacked out these mirrored windows for some reason): http://don.shorock.com/trains/ferry2.jpg Before the Miller Elevated Highway: http://www.hobokenmuseum.org/views/Ferries/ferrybarclay%20po%20eb%2001011890.jpg although it is odd is gas a sign saying "Ferries to New York" Opened 1884, here is a 1964 photo when it was still active (always hard to get a full picture with the big iron highway support columns in the way: http://www.worldshipny.com/el1barklay.jpg This is from a site on the last ferries, there is a great photo at bottom of the last ferry after it started to sink 12 years after its last ride: http://www.worldshipny.com/elferry.html On this page are some neat pictures of Barclay Street, including an interior, plus a neat one of the skeleton Erie Terminal at Pavonia, Jersey City: http://thejoekorner.quuxuum.org/erie-lack/abandoned.html Facing the other direction we see the elevated and behind it the Park Row Building that was the tallest in world 1899-1902: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/800383W.JPG (A. Deville, artist 1909) Here is Barclay Street 10/14/1891....This is the construction of the Metropolitan Street Railway's cable car line on Broadway, with a Barclay Street horse pulled streetcar (this line was last horse railroad line in United States, lasting to the first world war...This cable car route opened in 1893.: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809822W.JPG Converted to electricity 1901. Cable car #2: http://www.cable-car-guy.com/images/ny_broad_car.jpg Cable cars at Herald Square and the 6th Avenue El, the Herald Building. Looking south 1893: http://www.cable-car-guy.com/images/ny_herald_square_1893_001.jpg Cable cars on lower Broadway looking north, the old post office building on the left at intersection, foot of Park Row: http://www.cable-car-guy.com/images/ny_broadway_near_po_001.jpg Cable cars on Broadway in front of the power house on Houston. The Cable Building still stands, Anita Alleyne once worked there: http://www.cable-car-guy.com/images/ny_broadway_houston.jpg The Third Avenue Railway was another Cable Car Company, began 1886, electrified 1899, ran to 1947, from Park Row to Harlem; here cable cars under the el on the Bowery: http://www.cable-car-guy.com/images/nybower.jpg The World Building (tallest in world 1890-1894) was on Barclay Street, it passes in front of City Hall: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/11107994.4903/1.JPEG Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a801c46650$4a8eb5e0$641af7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:34:06 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Plans for the new Terminal Station of the New York Central Railroad at Forty-Second Street 1905 Frank Cresson, architect 1905: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809355W.JPG http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/809346W.JPG Finally a real neat shot at same angle as yesterday but of new Grand Central Terminal, Hotel Commodore going up, 1918, with El terminal, streetcars on 4th (Park) They should put the El back on 42nd!: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/800713W.JPG This is a neat photo ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #941 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Henry Priebe Jr." Subject: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ This was posteed to our Erie Lackawanna mail list. Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary R. Kazin" To: EL List Subject: (erielack) Madison renovations just the ticket http://www.dailyrecord.com/news/articles/news5-Madstation.htm 07/09/04 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom Madison renovations just the ticket Train station project completed after two years By Elizabeth Salemme, Daily Record MADISON -- The scaffolding is down and the construction trailers have left the 88-year-old Madison train station that, after about two years of labor-intensive construction, has been fully restored. "I'm very proud of it, I cannot say enough good things about how beautiful the station is now," said Mayor Ellwood Kerkeslager. "It is beautiful, it is well done -- New Jersey Transit did an excellent job in restoring it." New Jersey Transit commissioned historic restoration company Watertrol Inc. of Cranford to renovate the interior and exterior of the station on Kings Road, including the roof, canopies and walkways. The renovation cost about $2. 3 million, which was funded by the Transportation Trust Fund's Rail Station Improvement Program. A 520-foot brick walkway at the train station was funded by the Friends of Madison Train Station, which raised $100,000 for the project. The approximate 17,000 brick pavers are engraved with names and sold for $100 apiece to residents. The Friends of the Madison Train Station, a volunteer organization established in 1998 to promote the restoration and maintenance of the station, joined forces with the Shade Tree Management Board and the Friends of Madison Shade Trees to obtain a separate $100,000 grant for landscaping and a sprinkler system at the station. The Madison train station is on the national and state registers of historic places and is one of 49 stations that NJ Transit recognizes as historic among its 162 stations. "We're always pleased when we restore a station that is as historical as the Madison station," said Janet Hines, spokeswoman for New Jersey Transit. "We're always happy to restore these stations to how they were originally." The interior of the restored train station is open to the public only from 6 to 10 a.m., the times the ticket window is in operation. "For security purposes and to avoid vandalism, they keep it closed," Kerkeslager said. In addition to upgrading the plumbing and electricity, the restoration company matched the original marble partition and tiles of the bathrooms, restored the roof tiles and even analyzed the original concrete mix that was used to build the station in order to use the same concrete for the restoration, said Richard Romano, chairman of the Friends of the Madison Train Station. "It looks fantastic, they've done a great job -- they've brought it back to its original grandeur," Romano said. The benches in the station were stripped, refinished and restored; the walls and the terra cotta floors redone, Romano said. During the construction, the restoration company found two antique phone booths that were refurbished and brought out into the open, he added. The restoration company also added small reading lights over the benches in the station. Phase two of the project calls for further compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act. NJ Transit plans to construct two glass elevators with steel cages at the Lincoln Place and Kings Road entrances, Romano said. The steel cages will match the wrought iron railing in the building, he added. There also will be raised platforms for the handicapped as well as new signage in the station. An official ceremony to celebrate the completion of the restoration project has yet to be scheduled, but will take place this summer, Kerkeslager said. ===== Gary R. Kazin DL&W Milepost R35.7 Rockaway, New Jersey http://www.geocities.com/gkazin/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #942 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:40:36 EDT From: Deraildh2_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ of course, we will all be arrested for taking pictures of it, or if we get away with taking said pictures,then we will be arrested for showing them to our friends, not to mention family, unless of course, we have a permit to photograph from NJT. Doug ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000701c46798$c9b838c0$0d30f7a5_@_paul> References: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:45:36 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ Will someone please tell me what the security reason is for this aversion to photography? It seems rather senseless. I can't think of almost anywhere where anyone needs a picture to figure out where it is...after all what would a picture of the twin towers have been needed for when they flew jumbo jets into it....and they knew where the Pentagon is, as a matter of fact there is no real reason...I can see if someone was walking through the subway tunnels supposedly looking for "soft spots" but what would that be, the entire system would be a soft spot (for anthrax let's say, since no one was ever caught who killed by mailing it, but it is so much more important to stop pictures of rails in New Jersey... I think it is paranoia to the extreme and totally pointless....satellite photos on the internet I can understand, they actually could be used for positioning for long range attacks, but photographing things beside Newtown Creek when anyone can see it all from the BQE is stupid and pointless and an intrusion....after all there is a 250 million gallon (or is it barrel) underground No. 2 oil leak under Greenpoint, Newtown Creek and Long Island City...if they really wanted to do something about security maybe they would force Mobil or Exxon ( I forget which is responsible for the decades long leak since probably a match could light up most of that area, the BQE and maybe the LIRR tunnels included...) but then they would actually have to be thinking about such things,; I also don't give the terrorists much credit for intricate knowledge of much, after all they used box cutters and in Oklahoma a bomb made of fertilizer was used.... OK I will stop raving, there are probably enough paranoid people who think it is a good thing to be beyond overly cautious, paying attention to the unimportant and pointless rather than the actual and possible...anyway at least you will respond to this.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ > of course, we will all be arrested for taking pictures of it, or if we get > away with taking said pictures,then we will be arrested for showing them to our > friends, not to mention family, unless of course, we have a permit to > photograph from NJT. > > Doug > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002701c4679e$397b6ba0$0d30f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:24:30 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) 6 stations: Howe, OK; China; Melbourne; Siena, Italy; Stryy; Danzig Impressive railroad stations: Flinders Street, Melbourne: http://breger.net/anz/images/Flinders%20Street%20railroad%20station%20in%20Melbourne.jpg Siena, Italy: http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/galleries/italy/italy_photos/siena_railroad_station.jpg Stryy, Ukraine: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Stryy/railroad-station.jpg Gdansk (Danzig), Prussia [Poland]: railroad station 1924: http://www.castlesofpoland.com/prusy/postcard/danzig056.jpg Gdansk main station 1930: http://www.castlesofpoland.com/prusy/postcard/danzig067.jpg color postcard of same station: http://www.castlesofpoland.com/prusy/postcard/danzig016.jpg Howe, Oklahoma 1930: http://marti.rootsweb.com/photogallery/snapshots/rroad.jpg nice station Hefei Station. Huoshan, Anhui, China: http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Excursions/Sam-RR-station.html ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003101c4679e$d25695c0$0d30f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:28:46 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) 5 stations: Washington, NJ; Newington Jct., Ct.; Ekaterinburg; Brent, Ont. more impressive depots: Brent, Ontario: http://www.pastforward.ca/perspectives/images/brent04.jpg Lebanon, Pa (DLW): http://www.leavealegacy-lebanon.org/gfx/railroad.jpg Ekaterinburg, Russia: http://www.russianbrides.com/anastasia_tours/ekaterinburg/ek_photos/railroad.jpg Newington Junction, Connecticut (NH station then and now; Providence & Fishkill RR station): http://users.ntplx.net/~nhs/rs.htm Washington, NJ railroad station (DLW) 1895 "lower station": www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas001big.jpg 10/3/1901 opening of new station (lower sta. moved and became part of freight depot: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas003big.jpg 1903: picture showing both stations: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas004big.jpg 1906: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas005big.jpg 1907: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas006big.jpg 1908: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas007big.jpg 1909: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas009big.jpg 1917: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas011big.jpg 1957: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas013big.jpg 1960: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas014big.jpg 1980: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas019big.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004401c4679f$7b4384e0$0d30f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:33:30 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) 10 stations: Elkins, WVa; pre-fire Chicago; 1st Reading, Philly; Phillipsburg; Helsinki; Suolaht, Finland; Lima, Peru; Lima, Ohio; 2 other surprises Elkins, West Virginia: http://www.wvhome.com/pictures/postcards/depot.jpg Illinois & Michigan Central, Chicago, pre-fire: http://tigger.uic.edu/depts/ahaa/imagebase/pbhales/firebk1j.gif Reading RR, Broad & Cherry, Philadelphia 1863: http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/evans/files/phs045.html Phillipsburg PRR 1907: http://www.familyoldphotos.com/penn/images/jul/PENNA._RR_DEPOT_PHILIPSBURG_1907.jpg Helsinki, Finland station: http://www.esto.com/index_images/Transportation/Image1.jpg Eial Saarinen, arch. http://two-wugs.net/pix/rautatieasema.jpg Central Railway Station ["rautatieasema" means "iron road station"] http://www.sileka.fi/Uudet/uudet%20kuvat/rautatieasema.jpg http://www.posti.fi/vanhat/postimuseo/english/temporary_exhibitions/2000/traffic/rautatieasema.jpg Suolaht, Finland: 1899: http://www.edu.suolahti.fi/vaksy/kuvat/sasema.jpg 1910: http://www.edu.suolahti.fi/vaksy/kuvat/slhtase.jpg 1920: http://www.edu.suolahti.fi/vaksy/kuvat/sveturi.jpg 1940: http://www.edu.suolahti.fi/vaksy/kuvat/sase.jpg Lima, Peru station (Central Station of Desamparados): http://www.goodtimebob.com/Assets/images/Lima1/08060039_JPG.html http://www.ferrolatino.ch/PeruLimaDesamp.JPG http://www.goodtimebob.com/Assets/images/Lima1/08060040_JPG.html http://www.enjoyperu.com/multimediagallery/photos/img/1-11.jpg Chorrilos-Lima funicular railway, upper station, 1881: http://www.ferrolatino.ch/PeruChorrFunic4.jpg South Lima, Ohio (Erie): http://libwww.syr.edu/digital/images/e/ErieRailroad/j1-22.jpg Lima, Ohio Interurban Station: http://www.trolleystop.com/images/interurbansta-lima.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00e501c467e3$6ed05280$0d30f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:39:25 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) =?Windows-1252?Q?=95The_Fl=F8ibanen_Funicular_station=2C_Bergen;__Os_and_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Oslo?= Os station, 1902 (Norway): http://www.gaiatrafikk.no/imageArchive/hist_pic_0b.jpg Reading Terminal, Philadelphia: http://www.library.phila.gov/pix/trolleys/atroll07.jpg [1900- a train every hour to New York, also trains to Toronto] Willow Grove Trolley (PRT) Station, 1905 (Philadelphia): http://www.library.phila.gov/pix/trolleys/atrl2114.jpg Funicular station, Bergen, Norway the station is called Sentrum, it is close to the fish market, and Bryggen, Bergen's harbor.. The ivy has been removed in the recent restoration, the name of the area where the base terminal is Vetrlidsallmenningen : http://members.tripod.com/~nadia4000/bergenteleferikstation.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/fotoalbum-bilde2-stor.html http://www.gonorway.no/go/passage_tours/images/floeibanen.jpg http://hjemmesider.gs.bergen.hl.no/~k7a53/Teltturen/floibanen.JPG http://www.funiculars.net/pic/102-20.jpg Bergen is the "capital of the fjords," the "Gateway to the Fjords." There are five stations on the Flřibanen: Sentrum, Proms gate, Fjellveien, Skansemyren, Flřien It has a 26 to 49% gradient, an electric powered cable. 844 meters long. The Flřibanen (opened 1918) in operation (the first one is actually breathtaking I think.): http://www.frimerkehuset.no/fh/lager/19411.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/img/bilde-navn-stort.jpg http://www.funiculars.net/pic/no_stamp_floibanen_1994.jpg http://www.fboller.de/norwegen/fotos/02_b_3floien.htm http://www.touristphoto.no/images/BERGEN%20B/S65_FLOI6.jpg http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/floi.jpg http://www.sjov-fritid.dk/floei.jpg http://www.tourist-magazine.no/web/images/vest/floibanen.jpg 1938: http://www.havebaneremisen.dk/floi1.jpg http://www.telenor.no/privat/produkter/samleservice/grafikk/2000/Dummies/dN178.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/bilde-historikk-lite02.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/bilde-historikk-lite03.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/fotoalbum-bilde6-stor.html A "meet": http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/bilde-historikk-stort.jpg http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~kahogan/Scandanavia/floibanen.jpg http://www.bruvoll-camping.no/images/attraksjoner/floibanen.jpg http://www.norphoto.com/r/images1/norphoto8141.jpg http://www.funiculars.net/pic/102-23.jpg http://home.no.net/trygjor/bilder024/bergenfloibanen1.jpg http://nora.hd.uib.no/allc/floybane.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/img/bilde-forside.jpg http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/bilde-historikk-lite04.jpg http://home.no.net/trygjor/bilder024/bergenfloibanen2.jpg Mount Flřyen station at the top terminal (Mount Flřien) 320 meters above sea level., 302 meters from bottom of line.: http://www.w3com.de/uwe.logemann/assets/images/hurtigruten/floeibanen.jpg http://laurent.dervaux.free.fr/Floibanen.jpg http://www.funiculars.net/pic/102-21.jpg The 3rd generation cable cars from 1974, the new ones began 2002. Here are the original cars 1918-1954: http://www.floibanen.no/eng/img/bilde-historikk-lite01.jpg The two new cars were named Rřdhette ("Little Red Riding Hood" and "Blĺmann ("Blue Man"...each new car carries 100 passengers, the old ones 80... tunnel view: http://home.no.net/trygjor/bilder024/bergenfloibanen3.jpg http://home.no.net/trygjor/bilder024/bergenfloibanen4.jpg Here is a map: http://www.funiculars.net/kartor/no_bergen.jpg The only funicular railway in Scandinavia... It takes 5 to 6 minutes to travel the 844 meters; you can download a detailed timetable from this page, which is part of the Flřibanen AS official site. The logo is neat, and only a small fraction of the above may be repeated there.: http://www.floibanen.no/eng/rutetabell.html Bergen also has a "heritage tram" {Museumsporvei): http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/museum.jpg [300 meter line run by museum, streetcars ceasing 40 in 1965 in Bergen] Bergen trolleybus route 2 is the only remaining trolleybus network in northern Europe: http://tramandmetro.info/en-bergentrolley.html Maybe I'll move there. Bergens Tidende is Norway's largest newspaper; the mountains surrounding Bergen are the Byfjellene mountains Oslo railroad station shed: http://members.tripod.com/~nadia4000/trainstationoslo.jpg There is a large controversy in Oslo because in the pursuit of improved streetcar service, many tram routes have been abandoned the rails paved over and replaced by buses, angering much of the public. Here is a shot of the saved (five hours before it was to be paved over) Homansby line, a streetcar headed for Disen, in front of a way too elegant McDonald's!: http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/homansby.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #943 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:13:40 +0000 From: "Don Dorflinger" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) 5 stations: Washington, NJ; Newington Jct., Ct.; Ekaterinburg; Brent, Ont. Lebanon, PA is Philadelphia & Reading, not DL&W Don >more impressive depots: > >Brent, Ontario: http://www.pastforward.ca/perspectives/images/brent04.jpg > >Lebanon, Pa (DLW): http://www.leavealegacy-lebanon.org/gfx/railroad.jpg > >Ekaterinburg, Russia: http://www.russianbrides.com/anastasia_tours/ekaterinburg/ek_photos/railroad.jpg > >Newington Junction, Connecticut (NH station then and now; Providence & Fishkill RR station): >http://users.ntplx.net/~nhs/rs.htm > >Washington, NJ railroad station (DLW) >1895 "lower station": www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas001big.jpg >10/3/1901 opening of new station (lower sta. moved and became part of freight depot: >www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas003big.jpg >1903: picture showing both stations: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas004big.jpg >1906: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas005big.jpg >1907: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas006big.jpg >1908: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas007big.jpg >1909: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas009big.jpg >1917: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas011big.jpg >1957: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas013big.jpg >1960: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas014big.jpg >1980: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas019big.jpg > >================================= >The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing >railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:24:29 +0000 From: "Don Dorflinger" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) 5 stations: Washington, NJ; Newington Jct., Ct.; Ekaterinburg; Brent, Ont. On the DL&W Washington, NJ shots, much easier to enter the URL: http://www.ebpm.com and follow all the links from the home page about the Washington, NJ station and its demolition. >From: "Paul Luchter" >Reply-To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net >To: "RSHS Depot" >CC: "Henry Rosenberg" >Subject: (rshsdepot) 5 stations: Washington, NJ; Newington Jct., Ct.; Ekaterinburg; Brent, Ont. >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:28:46 -0400 > >more impressive depots: > >Brent, Ontario: http://www.pastforward.ca/perspectives/images/brent04.jpg > >Lebanon, Pa (DLW): http://www.leavealegacy-lebanon.org/gfx/railroad.jpg > >Ekaterinburg, Russia: http://www.russianbrides.com/anastasia_tours/ekaterinburg/ek_photos/railroad.jpg > >Newington Junction, Connecticut (NH station then and now; Providence & Fishkill RR station): >http://users.ntplx.net/~nhs/rs.htm > >Washington, NJ railroad station (DLW) >1895 "lower station": www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas001big.jpg >10/3/1901 opening of new station (lower sta. moved and became part of freight depot: >www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas003big.jpg >1903: picture showing both stations: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas004big.jpg >1906: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas005big.jpg >1907: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas006big.jpg >1908: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas007big.jpg >1909: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas009big.jpg >1917: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas011big.jpg >1957: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas013big.jpg >1960: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas014big.jpg >1980: www.ebpm.com/washnj/bigpix/washnjrrpas019big.jpg > >================================= >The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing >railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:28:26 -0400 From: "James Kelling" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ Great news, but can the station be photographed, considering the new NJT rule against photography? >>> root_@_net.bluemoon.net 07/10/04 10:40AM >>> This was posteed to our Erie Lackawanna mail list. Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary R. Kazin" To: EL List Subject: (erielack) Madison renovations just the ticket http://www.dailyrecord.com/news/articles/news5-Madstation.htm 07/09/04 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom Madison renovations just the ticket Train station project completed after two years By Elizabeth Salemme, Daily Record MADISON -- The scaffolding is down and the construction trailers have left the 88-year-old Madison train station that, after about two years of labor-intensive construction, has been fully restored. "I'm very proud of it, I cannot say enough good things about how beautiful the station is now," said Mayor Ellwood Kerkeslager. "It is beautiful, it is well done -- New Jersey Transit did an excellent job in restoring it." New Jersey Transit commissioned historic restoration company Watertrol Inc. of Cranford to renovate the interior and exterior of the station on Kings Road, including the roof, canopies and walkways. The renovation cost about $2. 3 million, which was funded by the Transportation Trust Fund's Rail Station Improvement Program. A 520-foot brick walkway at the train station was funded by the Friends of Madison Train Station, which raised $100,000 for the project. The approximate 17,000 brick pavers are engraved with names and sold for $100 apiece to residents. The Friends of the Madison Train Station, a volunteer organization established in 1998 to promote the restoration and maintenance of the station, joined forces with the Shade Tree Management Board and the Friends of Madison Shade Trees to obtain a separate $100,000 grant for landscaping and a sprinkler system at the station. The Madison train station is on the national and state registers of historic places and is one of 49 stations that NJ Transit recognizes as historic among its 162 stations. "We're always pleased when we restore a station that is as historical as the Madison station," said Janet Hines, spokeswoman for New Jersey Transit. "We're always happy to restore these stations to how they were originally." The interior of the restored train station is open to the public only from 6 to 10 a.m., the times the ticket window is in operation. "For security purposes and to avoid vandalism, they keep it closed," Kerkeslager said. In addition to upgrading the plumbing and electricity, the restoration company matched the original marble partition and tiles of the bathrooms, restored the roof tiles and even analyzed the original concrete mix that was used to build the station in order to use the same concrete for the restoration, said Richard Romano, chairman of the Friends of the Madison Train Station. "It looks fantastic, they've done a great job -- they've brought it back to its original grandeur," Romano said. The benches in the station were stripped, refinished and restored; the walls and the terra cotta floors redone, Romano said. During the construction, the restoration company found two antique phone booths that were refurbished and brought out into the open, he added. The restoration company also added small reading lights over the benches in the station. Phase two of the project calls for further compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act. NJ Transit plans to construct two glass elevators with steel cages at the Lincoln Place and Kings Road entrances, Romano said. The steel cages will match the wrought iron railing in the building, he added. There also will be raised platforms for the handicapped as well as new signage in the station. An official ceremony to celebrate the completion of the restoration project has yet to be scheduled, but will take place this summer, Kerkeslager said. ===== Gary R. Kazin DL&W Milepost R35.7 Rockaway, New Jersey http://www.geocities.com/gkazin/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:34:25 EDT From: CoolGuy127_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Madison, NJ In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:29:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, james.kelling_@_nara.gov writes: Great news, but can the station be photographed, considering the new NJT rule against photography? First of all, I'm quite sure that the station can be photographed from public property, which -- NJ Transit admits -- does not require a permit. Second, you can obtain a permit if you contact NJ Transit in advance. Third, the policy is enforced only to the extent that an NJ Transit police officer happens to see you. And even then, probably the worst thing that would happen is that you'd be told to stop taking more pictures. As far as I know, the Madison station is patrolled by NJ Transit police only sporadically. Daniel Chazin Teaneck, NJ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <40F29F84.E7EEBD6F_@_ns.sympatico.ca> References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:26:12 -0300 From: Jay Underwood Subject: (rshsdepot) Re: Was Madison, NJ: Photography in public places I do apologize for the length of this post, but I thought the attached might be of use to U.S. members concerned about their right to photograph from public property...the lawsare not that much different between Canada and the U.S. although in Canada we do not make much use of the coercian law that prevents harrassment from security guards, that varies from province to province, depending upon the draft of the Private Properties Act. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS The Photographer's Right About this Guide - Confrontations that impair the constitutional right to make images are becoming more common. To fight the abuse of your right to free expression, you need to know your rights to take photographs and the remedies available if your rights are infringed. The General Rule - The general rule in the United States is that anyone may take photographs of whatever they want when they are in a public place or places where they have permission to take photographs. Absent a specific legal prohibition such as a statute or ordinance, you are legally entitled to take photographs. Examples of places that are traditionally considered public are streets, sidewalks, and public parks. Property owners may legally prohibit photography on their premises but have no right to prohibit others from photographing their property from other locations. Whether you need permission from property owners to take photographs while on their premises depends on the circumstances. In most places, you may reasonably assume that taking photographs is allowed and that you do not need explicit permission. However, this is a judgment call and you should request permission when the circumstances suggest that the owner is likely to object. In any case, when a property owner tells you not to take photographs while on the premises, you are legally obligated to honor the request. Some Exceptions to the Rule - There are some exceptions to the general rule. A significant one is that commanders of military installations can prohibit photographs of specific areas when they deem it necessary to protect national security. The U.S. Department of Energy can also prohibit photography of designated nuclear facilities although the publicly visible areas of nuclear facilities are usually not designated as such. Members of the public have a very limited scope of privacy rights when they are in public places. Basically, anyone can be photographed without their consent except when they have secluded themselves in places where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy such as dressing rooms, restrooms, medical facilities, and inside their homes. Permissible Subjects - Despite misconceptions to the contrary, the following subjects can almost always be photographed lawfully from public places: accident and fire scenes children celebrities bridges and other infrastructure residential and commercial buildings industrial facilities and public utilities transportation facilities (e.g., airports) Superfund sites criminal activities law enforcement officers Who Is Likely to Violate Your Rights - Most confrontations are started by security guards and employees of organizations who fear photography. The most common reason given is security but often such persons have no articulated reason. Security is rarely a legitimate reason for restricting photography. Taking a photograph is not a terrorist act nor can a business legitimately assert that taking a photograph of a subject in public view infringes on its trade secrets. On occasion, law enforcement officers may object to photography but most understand that people have the right to take photographs and do not interfere with photographers. They do have the right to keep you away from areas where you may impede their activities or endanger safety. However, they do not have the legal right to prohibit you from taking photographs from other locations. They Have Limited Rights to Bother, Question, or DetainYou - Although anyone has the right to approach a person in a public place and ask questions, persistent and unwanted conduct done without a legitimate purpose is a crime in many states if it causes serious annoyance. You are under no obligation to answer such questions in any state and do not have to disclose your identity or the purpose of your photography. If the conduct goes beyond mere questioning, all states have laws that make coercion and harassment criminal offenses. The specific elements vary among the states but in general it is unlawful for anyone to instill a fear that they may injure you, damage or take your property, or falsely accuse you of a crime just because you are taking photographs. Private parties have very limited rights to detain you against your will and may be subject to criminal and civil charges should they attempt to do so. Although the laws in most states authorize citizen's arrests, such authority is very narrow. In general, citizen's arrests can be made only for felonies or crimes committed in the person's presence. Failure to abide by these requirements usually means that the person is liable for a tort such as false imprisonment. They Have No Right to Confiscate Your Film - Sometimes agents acting for entities such as owners of industrial plants and shopping malls may ask you to hand over your film. Absent a court order, private parties have no right to confiscate your film. Taking your film directly or indirectly by threatening to use force or call a law enforcement agency can constitute criminal offenses such as theft and coercion. It can likewise constitute a civil tort such as conversion. Law enforcement officers may have the authority to seize film when making an arrest but otherwise must obtain a court order. Your Legal Remedies if Harassed - If someone has threatened, intimidated, or detained you because you were taking photographs, they may be liable for crimes such as kidnapping, coercion, and theft. In such cases, you should report them to the police. You may also have civil remedies against such persons and their employers. The torts for which you may be entitled to compensation include assault, conversion, false imprisonment, and violation of your constitutional rights. Other Remedies If Harassed - If you are disinclined to take legal action, there are still things you can do that contribute to protecting the right to take photographs. (1) Call the local newspaper and see if they are interested in running a story. Many newspapers feel that civil liberties are worthy of serious coverage. (2) Write to or call the supervisor of the person involved, or the legal or public relations department of the entity, and complain about the event. (3) Make the event publicly known on an Internet forum that deals with photography or civil rights issues. How to Handle Confrontations - Most confrontations can be defused by being courteous and respectful. If the party becomes pushy, combative, or unreasonably hostile, consider calling the police. Above all, use good judgment and don't allow an event to escalate into violence. In the event you are threatened with detention or asked to surrender your film, asking the following questions can help ensure that you will have the evidence to enforce your legal rights: 1. What is the person's name? 2. Who is their employer? 3. Are you free to leave? If not, how do they intend to stop you if you decide to leave? What legal basis do they assert for the detention? 4. Likewise, if they demand your film, what legal basis do they assert for the confiscation? Disclaimer - This is a general education guide about the right to take photographs and is necessarily limited in scope. For example, it does not cover important issues such as publication and copyright. For more information about the laws that affect photography, I refer you to my book, Legal Handbook for Photographers (Amherst Media, 2002). This guide is not intended to be legal advice nor does it create an attorney-client relationship. Readers should seek the advice of a competent attorney when they need legal advice regarding a specific situation. © 2003 Bert P. Krages II Attorney at Law 6665 S.W. Hampton Street, Suite 200 Portland, Oregon 97223 www.krages.com END POSTING CoolGuy127_@_aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:29:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > james.kelling_@_nara.gov writes: > Great news, but can the station be photographed, considering the new NJT rule > against photography? > First of all, I'm quite sure that the station can be photographed from > public property, which -- NJ Transit admits -- does not require a permit. > > Second, you can obtain a permit if you contact NJ Transit in advance. > > Third, the policy is enforced only to the extent that an NJ Transit > police officer happens to see you. And even then, probably the worst thing that > would happen is that you'd be told to stop taking more pictures. As far as I > know, the Madison station is patrolled by NJ Transit police only sporadically. > > Daniel Chazin > Teaneck, NJ > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <012001c46894$819e4be0$6423f7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:47:25 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) New York & Sea Beach Railroad Coney Island terminal The Sea Beach Palace at West Brighton: The New York & Sea Beach Railroad (now the N line on subway) put up the Sea Beach Terminal as their terminal at West Brighton on Coney Island http://www.mmcsl.net/coney/images/sbc02.jpg The Elephant Colossus, Elephant Hotel was to the west, there 1882-1896. Sea Beach Palace Hotel was originally the U.S. Government Building at the Centennial Exhibition at Philadelphia 1876, Taken apart and shipped in sections to Coney Island. Here is a neat page on the Sea Beach Palace, there is a very nice postcard of Sea Beach Palace: http://www.mmcsl.net/coney/html/page010.htm In early 1900's from street side it peaks out to the left. I am unsure when it stopped being the NY&SB terminal.: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/10051598.863/1.JPEG In this 1879 photo of West Brighton I can't spot the Sea Beach Palace but you can see the Centennial Tower, 290 feet high, also from the Centennial Exhibition: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/11084379.4572/1.JPEG The Smithsonian put on a centennial Indian exhibit there, the patent office displayed new patented items: http://libwww.library.phila.gov/digicol/cedc/c090070.jpg http://libwww.library.phila.gov/digicol/cedc/c021828.jpg http://libwww.library.phila.gov/digicol/cedc/c011100.jpg http://libwww.library.phila.gov/digicol/cedc/c042487.jpg Here was a different terminus of a different railroad, but I love this picture, the "moving of the Brighton Beach Hotel..."..with the aid of six locomotives." 1893, the Brooklyn and Brighton Beach RR (today's D train) at this time: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801284W.JPG Here is the photo: http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/coneyisland/articles/images/con-brightonhotelmove.jpg It is always great to look at Art's pages; here is a Marine Railway train ready to head to Brighton Beach Hotel, at Manhattan Beach Hotel: http://arrts-arrchives.com/images/qqmbbr21.jpg 1909 Manhattan Beach Station: http://arrts-arrchives.com/images/qqmbbr33.jpg The Freight House: http://arrts-arrchives.com/images/qqmbbr32.jpg Was this later a gas station and does its till exist? The Miniature Railway, Coney Island, 1905: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801285W.JPG It may have been inside the first Steeplechase. See the 1876 Centennial Tower behind with the first Otis elevator: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801286W.JPG On Surf Avenue 1905, note the Loop the Loop: http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/801279W.JPG The tower in the background here in this postcard of the Iron Pier, West Brighton I think the Culver Depot is to the right and in distance of the tower (?): (c. 1880) http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/pcoimages/800644W.JPG http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/coneyisland/articles/images/con-ironpier.jpg New Iron Pier 1880: http://iii.brooklynpubliclibrary.org:80/articles/10738232.3780/1.JPEG Henry Hudson anchored in Gravesend Bay and traded with the Canarsie Indians on Coney Island Well, some had rail stations in them sort of! Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #944 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00fe01c46960$2fb22f00$b52bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:05:27 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Can you identify them all? I only know one: http://erastimes.8m.net/express.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:19:28 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #945 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008001c4698a$cd58aac0$32d52644_@_Wagenblast> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:10:33 -0400 From: "Bernie Wagenblast" Subject: (rshsdepot) Article - How to Find a Railway Station to Buy as a Home (UK) End of the Line Comes Back to Life; Railways Properties Are Always Popular With Buyers - but Tracking Them Down is Never Easy. John Coutts Reports on Where to Look to Find Your Ideal Stationmaster's Cottage The idea of turning old railway buildings into homes first took hold in the Sixties. When the Beeching axe fell in 1963, the railway network was halved and more than 3,000 stations were closed. Many of these buildings were simply demolished or abandoned. Others were sold off cheaply and converted into homes. Forty years down the line, the market in old stationmasters' houses and crossing keepers' cottages is buoyant. Buildings like these are popular with house-hunters looking for something out of the ordinary. "I've got a list of about 250 people who've contacted me over that last two or three years looking for railway property" says Network Rail's Mike Stancliffe, whose department deals with selling-off redundant railway infrastructure. "Certainly in the north I've sold something like 40 properties over the last four years" he says. "Train operating companies might come to us and say, `Look, we don't need this building any longer', but there's no routine pattern to it and it takes a while to get properties released." Link to article from The Independent: http://cnniw.yellowbrix.com/pages/cnniw/Story.nsp?story_id=53971592&ID=cnniw&scategory=Transportation Bernie Wagenblast Transportation Communications Newsletter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001d01c4698b$00254670$0786e644_@_CPQ13534280702> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:11:58 -0400 From: "JIMBEAR" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? Paul, For the very obvious reason that the Fleet Center was built in the same location as the old Boston Garden - directly above North Station. South Station is more than a mile away and presents no direct security risk Jim. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:19 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005201c4698c$f58887c0$e1c9ec04_@_SDVAIO> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:22:54 -0400 From: "Steven Delibert" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? Because the arena / auditorium/whatever of the convention is the upstairs of North Station, a setup that goes way back to when the Celtics were playing basketball at the Boston Garden upstairs and B&M 2-6-0's and 4-6-2's were pulling commuters and Kennebunkport swells out to the 4 corners of Northern New England downstairs. A hotel connected with it, too; DP Morgan told us that in about 1954, you could get "a room facing the tracks" that would make sure you wouldn't want to sleep all night. Steve Delibert - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:19 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004101c46995$c9ed4430$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:29:12 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:19 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? >>>It MAY be because the Convention is at the convention hall/center at North Station. Can anybody confirm? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:34:49 EDT From: I95BERNIEW_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Conv... In a message dated 7/14/2004 7:30:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sbramson_@_bellsouth.net writes: > >>>It MAY be because the Convention is at the convention hall/center at > North Station. Can anybody confirm? Yes, the convention will be at the Fleet Center which is at North Station. South Station is far from the convention site and poses no security threat to the convention. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000a01c4699c$3f7d56d0$7d538118_@_Sweetie> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> <004101c46995$c9ed4430$6101a8c0@NewComputer> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:15:24 -0400 From: "train1812" Subject: (rshsdepot) Re: Why are they closing North Station... Yep, I can. I edit a weekly online e-zine that deals primarily with passenger rail issues. Beyond that, I'm from Rhode Island (smaller than Dade County) and worked for Amtrak in Boston. North Station and the convention center are virtually the same structure. South station is one mile southward, which, for Boston, is far removed. Supporters have been trying for years to get the two stations connected by a tunnel, but so far, nothing doing. Albest, Leo King > > Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and > not South Station? > > >>>It MAY be because the Convention is at the convention hall/center at > North Station. Can anybody confirm? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <2d290b2d5311.2d53112d290b_@_optonline.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:35:50 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopkinton, MA From MHo12345_@_aol.com Hi, The Hopkinton Historical Commission is moving and restoring our old train depot which was built in 1872 and served local freight and passenger needs on a circuit branch of the New York and New England RR. It changed hands a number of times and just linked the towns of Milford, Ashland, and Hopkinton MA. In any event, we have only an old black and white photo which shows three tones of colors and are wondering what colors to use that would be appropriate to the time and locale. Our old timers remember it (some fromt the late 20's as being fairly non-descript grey or tan) -- it's so weathered that the only paint remaining is red from the window trim. Any pointers, info would be very much appreciated. Michaelyn Holmes HHC Chairperson ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000801c469cc$44981940$6501a8c0_@_ibm80gaptiva> References: <2d290b2d5311.2d53112d290b_@_optonline.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:59:11 -0400 From: "Bernie Rudberg" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopkinton, MA It is difficult to describe exactly what station colors were. This is mainly because most of the paint was mixed and tinted on the spot for each job. In researching the ND&C RR ( and the NY&NE ) at Hopewell Junction NY, I found original paint instructions for the station used by the ND&C RR. Basically it said the end product should be mostly ochre yellow with chocolate brown trim under a slate roof. The interior walls were to be white with a sky blue ceiling. Of course each time the paints were mixed it would be slightly different shades. I don't know if this applies to the NY&NE stations but that information came from original ND&C RR 1884 office records. Bernie Rudberg Wappingers Falls NY USA ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <5f4b315f32e1.5f32e15f4b31_@_optonline.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:35:23 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopkinton, MA From: mmitton10_@_comcast.net I own an 1847 railroad station in Ballardvale MA and asked the same question of color for my property. Below are pieces of emails I received which may of interest to you. Madelyn Mitton As far as I know, ALL B&M depots were painted gray with green trim until after WW2 when cream and maroon came into favor. What color green? Subject: what color? What color GREEN would be appropriate to paint the MEC /B&M trim work on the 'standard gray' freight houses and MOW structures? I most likely will use Floquil paints because of the flat finish. Perhaps the following colors would work: #40 dark green, #44 depot olive, #48 coach green. Any suggestions would be appreciated. - -------------- Original message -------------- > From MHo12345_@_aol.com > > Hi, > > The Hopkinton Historical Commission is moving and restoring our old train depot > which was built in 1872 and served local freight and passenger needs on a > circuit branch of the New York and New England RR. It changed hands a number of > times and just linked the towns of Milford, Ashland, and Hopkinton MA. > > In any event, we have only an old black and white photo which shows three tones > of colors and are wondering what colors to use that would be appropriate to the > time and locale. Our old timers remember it (some fromt the late 20's as being > fairly non-descript grey or tan) -- it's so weathered that the only paint > remaining is red from the window trim. > > Any pointers, info would be very much appreciated. > > Michaelyn Holmes > HHC Chairperson > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003e01c46a1d$2e9614c0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> <001d01c4698b$00254670$0786e644@CPQ13534280702> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:38:22 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? See, I never put two and two together....I thought I didn't know where it was but the Celtics and Bruins play there so duh....Must be a subconscious thing about modern angles and planes architecture or a repulsion towards demolition of landmarks. My question really sort of related to something else...maybe I should have rephrased it as Why did they decide to have both conventions on top of big downtown railroad stations? Life went on as usual but now everyone seems to regret it, even having an election...Is this trying to have your cake and eat it too, or would the cake have to have poison in it? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIMBEAR" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > Paul, > For the very obvious reason that the Fleet Center was built in the same location as > the old Boston Garden - directly above North Station. South Station is more than > a mile away and presents no direct security risk > > Jim. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Luchter" > To: "RSHS Depot" > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:19 AM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > > > > Why are they closing North Station during the Democratic Convention and not South Station? > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:44:24 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006801c46a38$c22c1c00$0c2af7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:55:39 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) North Station, Boston NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-07-15-04 NorthStation.jpg (image/jpeg, 452621 bytes) North Station (Union Station 1893-1927) Shepley, Rutan and Coolidge, architects. The style is Academic Classicism. Also called Beaux Art. (other examples: Pennsylvania Station New York, the New York Metropolitan Museum) Union Station (I bet that in Boston it was called North Station, huh?): http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/19th/norstatn.jpg http://www.newenglandindex.com/jpg/northstation1.jpg It looks like it had an older portion. http://www.newenglandindex.com/jpg/northstation.jpg (slightly newer shot?) http://www.jcballentine.com/b193.jpg nice shed: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/k/d/kdw1003/Geog%2041.gif North Station: I could find no good pictures of the North Station before the Fleet Center, so I sent the scan. From Joe Testagrose site: http://206.103.49.193/boston/jpg/bos092.jpg 1970 http://206.103.49.193/boston/jpg/bos085.jpg 1972...two colors on same line, that's odd? this El just closed (1912-2004) The routes north to be replaced by b-u-ses, ain't that sweet, how is that an improvement? Charlestown Bridge: 1899: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/bridge_1899.jpg would begin to run in 1901. 1908: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/charlestown_bridge_1908.jpg 1910: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/bridge_1910.jpg 1912: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/bridge_1912.jpg 1929: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/bridge_1929.jpg uses, isn't that improvement?: http://jsons.collegepublisher.com/news/2004/05/28/Bostonregion/Old-North.Station.The.Closing.Of.A.Piece.Of.Local.History-690546.shtml The Tremont tunnel entrance: http://206.103.49.193/boston/jpg/bos042.jpg Boston Elevated railway: http://www.wmscnet.com/boselev1g.jpg Shepley, Rutan & Coolidge also designed he Institute of Chicago. Also South Station in Boston (1899), Here it is with both its wings still attached: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/soustatn.jpg What line was this El on? http://www.newenglandindex.com/jpg/southstation1.jpg 1900: http://www.paul-n-paul.com/m009.jpg too bad it is written upon.. Nice shed: http://www.newenglandindex.com/jpg/southstation.jpg Before South Station there was more than one railroad station on the south end. Here is the 2nd Boston and Albany RR station (1881): http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust095.jpg On Kneeland Street not far from the B&A depot was the Old Colony RR Station: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust096.jpg A new Old Colony station was built in Boston: http://www.haleysteele.com/exhibition/p_boston/plates/old_colony.jpg The Boston & Providence also had a station. It was, I think closer to the West end, or Back Bay. Authorities wanted this station area to be used for a Union Station from the south before 1870 but the B&A built the new station linked to above. Here is the Providence Railroad Station of the B&A: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust043.jpg An interesting page on South Station: http://home.att.net/~barrwp/boston.htm B&M Boston Engine Terminal (What is the wheel configuration of engine 4113?): http://www.newenglandindex.com/jpg/bm_r1.jpg B&M: http://www.sammleraktien-online.de/bilder/usaktien/eisenbahn/boston_maine_blau_50er.jpg Four separate railroads had come into north Boston. Here is a picture of three of them: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust015.jpg Lowell Station (1872?) is on the left, Eastern Station (1863) in the middle and Fitchburg Railroad station (1847) on the right (Jenny Lind sang there 1850. Lowell RR, Eastern RR and Fitchburg RR stations. This is Causeway Street...this is where North Station is right? the Lowell Station, built in the heart of the architectural extravagance era, 2nd Empire Revival I think it is called or Baroque Revival. Lowell Station: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust016.jpg The Boston & Maine RR went further, to Haymarket Square. Here is Haymarket Square in the mid 1800s, I think the building in foreground may be the B&M station but I may be completely wrong: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust017.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009501c46a47$a7a5a6d0$7d538118_@_Sweetie> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> <001d01c4698b$00254670$0786e644@CPQ13534280702> <003e01c46a1d$2e9614c0$0c2af7a5@paul> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:42:24 -0400 From: "train1812" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station... Who runs political events? Political operatives. Are they bright people? Duh... who do they work for? See? Leo > See, I never put two and two together....I thought I didn't know where it > was but the Celtics and Bruins play there so duh....Must be a subconscious > thing about modern angles and planes architecture or a repulsion towards > demolition of landmarks. > > My question really sort of related to something else...maybe I should have > rephrased it as Why did they decide to have both conventions on top of big > downtown railroad stations? Life went on as usual but now everyone seems to > regret it, even having an election...Is this trying to have your cake and > eat it too, or would the cake have to have poison in it? ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644_@_Wagenblast> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:20:18 -0400 From: "Bernie Wagenblast" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway It is real. I found several citations about it on legitimate Web sites. Here are two of them: http://www.siouxcityhistory.org/transportation/more.php?id=29_0_4_0_M http://www.kingbridgeco.com/SiouxCityEL.htm Bernie Wagenblast Transportation Communications Newsletter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "97" ; "tic" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: > http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.htm > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #946 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000701c46a63$801c6e70$5178de42_@_Samantha> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:01:43 -0500 From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Who would have thunk it? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Wagenblast" To: ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "97" ; "tic" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:20 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > It is real. I found several citations about it on legitimate Web sites. > > Here are two of them: > > http://www.siouxcityhistory.org/transportation/more.php?id=29_0_4_0_M > > http://www.kingbridgeco.com/SiouxCityEL.htm > > > Bernie Wagenblast > Transportation Communications Newsletter > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Luchter" > To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" > ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" > ; "97" ; "tic" > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: > > > http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.htm > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007901c46a65$72253a20$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> <000701c46a63$801c6e70$5178de42@Samantha> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:15:41 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Who would have thunk it? >>>Somewhere along the way, either the ERA or the CERA published a piece on it. I have it here somewhere amidst the rubble, as well as a photo or two. VERY interesting, and, in fact, similar to the Milwaukee "el." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:48:44 -0400 From: "Camp, Mark J." Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Long time Railroad Station Historical Society members should remember this line since photos of its depots were published in one of the early Bulletins. Mark J. Camp - -----Original Message----- From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of Paul Luchter Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM To: RSHS Depot; Henry Rosenberg; Clone; Jamie; 97; tic Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <66c2dd66d7db.66d7db66c2dd_@_optonline.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:25:34 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station...but not Penn Station Speaking of closing North Station, here is the latest from NJ Transit on trains heading into Penn Station, basement of the GOP convention site. Jul 15, 2004 11:57 am US/Eastern NEWARK, N.J. (AP) NJ Transit's 53,000 daily rail riders are being advised to travel light during next month's Republican National Convention in New York. All trash cans on New York-bound trains will be sealed and some restrooms will be closed. Commuters won't be allowed to use overhead luggage racks. State troopers and NJ Transit police will inspect all New York-bound trains, the agency said. Officials also announced Thursday that Midtown Direct trains will be diverted to Hoboken, where riders can transfer to PATH. Buses will cross-honor rail passes, and officials are trying to get ferry operators to do the same. Passengers should expect delays through Sept. 2, and pedestrian access to New York's Penn Station will be limited. August monthly rail passes will be valid until Sept. 7, NJ Transit said. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040715191925.77340.qmail_@_web20625.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:19:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darren E. Hadley" Subject: (rshsdepot) Delaware & Hudson Just wanted to drop a quick note as a new member to this list to let you know about my website and to introduce myself at the same time. Delaware and Hudson Virtual Museum (DHVM) http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/ Delaware and Hudson Railroad Depot / Stations http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/structures_depots.htm My main interest is D&H and I trying to document and obtain images of all D&H Depots including the changes that have occured over time to their current condition today. I found recently that my website is listed on the RSHS under the "Significant Extant Railroad/Railway Structures of North America" under the NEW YORK listing but the URL is not correct so please use the above URL. I look forward to further conversations with all of you but for the most part I will be more of a reader than a writer on this list. ===== Darren E. Hadley stourbridge_lion_@_yahoo.com DHVM Web Master http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm BLHS Member http://www.bridge-line.org DHCHS Member http://www.canalmuseum.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001301c46ab9$34e47d20$a528f7a5_@_paul> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> <000701c46a63$801c6e70$5178de42@Samantha> <007901c46a65$72253a20$6101a8c0@NewComputer> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:15:14 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway By Milwaukee El, do you mean a local transit system? man how come this is all new to me? yipes! Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "seth bramson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > Who would have thunk it? > > >>>Somewhere along the way, either the ERA or the CERA published a piece on > it. I have it here somewhere amidst the rubble, as well as a photo or two. > VERY interesting, and, in fact, similar to the Milwaukee "el." > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000401c46ab8$dc0a3640$a528f7a5_@_paul> References: <013001c46962$239b2c60$b52bf7a5_@_paul> <001d01c4698b$00254670$0786e644@CPQ13534280702> <003e01c46a1d$2e9614c0$0c2af7a5@paul> <009501c46a47$a7a5a6d0$7d538118@Sweetie> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:12:44 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station... And where exactly are the "bright" people? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "train1812" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station... > Who runs political events? > Political operatives. > Are they bright people? > Duh... who do they work for? > See? > > Leo > > > > > See, I never put two and two together....I thought I didn't know where it > > was but the Celtics and Bruins play there so duh....Must be a subconscious > > thing about modern angles and planes architecture or a repulsion towards > > demolition of landmarks. > > > > My question really sort of related to something else...maybe I should have > > rephrased it as Why did they decide to have both conventions on top of big > > downtown railroad stations? Life went on as usual but now everyone seems > to > > regret it, even having an election...Is this trying to have your cake and > > eat it too, or would the cake have to have poison in it? > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002301c46ab9$931c0e80$a528f7a5_@_paul> References: <66c2dd66d7db.66d7db66c2dd_@_optonline.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:17:52 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station...but not Penn Station I will not be in the city that week; I can't help being close to it - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Why are they closing North Station...but not Penn Station > Speaking of closing North Station, here is the latest from NJ Transit on trains heading into Penn Station, basement of the GOP convention site. > > Jul 15, 2004 11:57 am US/Eastern > NEWARK, N.J. (AP) NJ Transit's 53,000 daily rail riders are being > advised to travel light during next month's Republican National > Convention in New York. > > All trash cans on New York-bound trains will be sealed and some > restrooms will be closed. Commuters won't be allowed to use overhead > luggage racks. > > State troopers and NJ Transit police will inspect all New York-bound > trains, the agency said. > > Officials also announced Thursday that Midtown Direct trains will be > diverted to Hoboken, where riders can transfer to PATH. Buses will > cross-honor rail passes, and officials are trying to get ferry > operators to do the same. > > Passengers should expect delays through Sept. 2, and pedestrian > access to New York's Penn Station will be limited. August monthly > rail passes will be valid until Sept. 7, NJ Transit said. > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006801c46add$1bcb4700$96422118_@_D9F1GW41> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> <000701c46a63$801c6e70$5178de42@Samantha> <007901c46a65$72253a20$6101a8c0@NewComputer> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:32:15 -0400 From: "Cliff Scholes" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway To all: The Sioux City "El" article was issue 12 of ELECTRIC RAILROADS, published by ERA, October 1945. ----- Original Message ----- From: "seth bramson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > Who would have thunk it? > > >>>Somewhere along the way, either the ERA or the CERA published a piece on > it. I have it here somewhere amidst the rubble, as well as a photo or two. > VERY interesting, and, in fact, similar to the Milwaukee "el." > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00ce01c46af8$3182b5e0$a528f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:45:48 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) North Station redux To amend for forgetting that the convention and the Fleet Center was on top of North Station, and also that I didn't know there was an elevated railroad in Sioux City, South Dakota (OK, list the El cities in the US: Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago...I can't count Newark, Hoboken and Jersey City can I because of their streetcar Els?...and Sioux City...at least Milwaukee fits the large cities...sort of....) First, a station in Boston I missed yesterday, that of the New York & New England Railroad. < The NY & NE Railroad Depot was located on Summer Street on the present site of South Station. The Depot was torn down in 1896 to make way for the South Station which unified all the southern railroad lines to Boston. >: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_77229.jpg Anyway I did find a source for some sort of North Station pictures...for some reason these library image search engine results can't be detected by the normal web search engines.... North Station: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76397.jpg http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st10081.jpg 1929 (opened 1928) http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76107.jpg 1930 taken from Customs House Tower, does it still exist? http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76358.jpg 9/22/1929 this one taken from Haymarket Square Hospital. http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10614.jpg http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10613.jpg http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10607.jpg http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10606.jpg From Custom House again: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st10007.jpg From 1929 when it opened, the North Station Industrial Building is in the distance on right (The right building was this industrial building, it looks like an office building. The left/west side high rise- the Hotel Manger): http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st10079.jpg (What was there between the old and new station, didn't it say 1910 for when the old one closed?) Architectural rendering: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st10080.jpg 1930, see how industrial building was longer: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st10091.jpg North Station Waiting Room: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10608.jpg 1938 Atlas, plate 6: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st11097.jpg supposedly you can see the El station in this plate: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_st11108.jpg A 1901 shot of the older Union (North) Station: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_93882.jpg 1852 drawing of B&M Station at Haymarket Square: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76614.jpg 1870 photo of Boston & Lowell Railroad Station (Eastern RR Sta. in distance): http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76620.jpg The 2nd Boston & Providence RR Station, 1880 at Park Square: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76620.jpg Here is the Boston Elevated railway Dudley Street Station, 1910: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76139.jpg Scollay Square w/ subway station, 1908 (current site of Government Center): http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_93994.jpg do any of this conical subway stations still exist? A August 19, 1908 picture of Boston's "Busiest Corner" Washington St. looking north from Temple Place: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76609.jpg They used to really build post office buildings, here we see Post Office Square in Boston c. 1885: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76605.jpg and what is the "flat iron" building on the right? Green line train leaving North Station on its way to Lechmere: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~carterfd/3677,-3662-leave-NS.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00fb01c46b05$f1dfc8c0$a528f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:24:28 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) The newly planned privately built Omaha streetcar line. It has a projected cost of $6.1 million, but this tour boat operator is already planning the extensions to his line. He says it will be better than the River Line, the new LRV out of Camden, New Jersey, because his would not have to stop at 10 P.M. for freight traffic. Who knew that the night life in Omaha was so vibrant! Read about the coming Omaha streetcar here: http://www.trolleycar.org/observations/040510.asp Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <010f01c46b0b$cab9c100$a528f7a5_@_paul> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 04:06:24 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Sioux City, Iowa I still think it is odd that in a land of flat planes as far as the eye can see building 2 miles of heavy iron girders, viaducts, the expense seems frivolous. But then I thought maybe the cost of 2 miles of El and the stations (it didn't say how many there were, and there wasn't a map) was cheaper than a bridge over the river, what with approaches and maybe having to be able to pen the bridge for river traffic..so maybe it was a good investment....Imagine if it had lasted to this day.Or had become part of an intercity railroad if they hadn't gone bankrupt They built it to avoid 4 railroads' crossings, there were 84 railroad crossings they would have had to contend with! Plus, the newspaper article says it was last El in the west but they are forgetting BART! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Wagenblast" To: ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "97" ; "tic" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:20 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > It is real. I found several citations about it on legitimate Web sites. > > Here are two of them: > > http://www.siouxcityhistory.org/transportation/more.php?id=29_0_4_0_M > > http://www.kingbridgeco.com/SiouxCityEL.htm > > > Bernie Wagenblast > Transportation Communications Newsletter > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Luchter" > To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" > ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" > ; "97" ; "tic" > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: > > > http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.ht m > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #947 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1c1.1bb388b8.2e2917d4_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:36:52 EDT From: Tjfloyddc_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway There is an elevated rail structure in Seattle, as well: the monorail that runs from the Space Needle to the northern edge of downdown. Miami's people mover is also elevated, I believe. Not sure about Jacksonville. In a message dated 7/16/2004 4:06:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, luckyshow_@_mindspring.com writes: > Sioux City, Iowa > > I still think it is odd that in a land of flat planes as far as the eye can > see building 2 miles of heavy iron girders, viaducts, the expense seems > frivolous. But then I thought maybe the cost of 2 miles of El and the > stations (it didn't say how many there were, and there wasn't a map) was > cheaper than a bridge over the river, what with approaches and maybe having > to be able to pen the bridge for river traffic..so maybe it was a good > investment....Imagine if it had lasted to this day.Or had become part of an > intercity railroad if they hadn't gone bankrupt > > They built it to avoid 4 railroads' crossings, there were 84 railroad > crossings they would have had to contend with! > > Plus, the newspaper article says it was last El in the west but they are > forgetting BART! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernie Wagenblast" > To: ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; > "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "97" > ; "tic" > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:20 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > It is real. I found several citations about it on legitimate Web sites. > > > > Here are two of them: > > > > http://www.siouxcityhistory.org/transportation/more.php?id=29_0_4_0_M > > > > http://www.kingbridgeco.com/SiouxCityEL.htm > > > > > > Bernie Wagenblast > > Transportation Communications Newsletter > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Luchter" > > To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" > > ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" > > ; "97" ; "tic" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM > > Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > > > > Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: > > > > > > http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.ht > m > > > > > > ================================ > > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > > ================================ > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================ > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008101c46b2b$10fe6610$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: <1c1.1bb388b8.2e2917d4_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:50:18 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:36 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > There is an elevated rail structure in Seattle, as well: the monorail that > runs from the Space Needle to the northern edge of downdown. > > Miami's people mover is also elevated, I believe. Not sure about > Jacksonville. >>Yes, Jacksonville's piece of worthless, useless, unused junk is elevated, as is Miami's disgrace to the word "transit." Seattle's silly little toy is also elevated, and it is just sad that they were hoodwinked into extending it instead of building REAL light or heavy rail transit; the Wendell Cox type tools of the auto/highway/rubber/road builder/oil company conspiracy are VERY hard at work and get paid VERY well to spread their disinformation, misinformation and outright lies and fabrications. (And if you want to know how I really feel, pls don't hesitate to ask!!) ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003101c46b36$63a91d50$32d52644_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:11:20 -0400 From: "Bernie Wagenblast" Subject: (rshsdepot) Architects offer 'visions' for High Line Four teams of architects unveiled preliminary designs yesterday for transforming the rusted High Line rail viaduct in Chelsea into a "park of the future." Link to article in Newsday: http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/newyork/politics/nyc-high0716,0,7294383.story?coll=nyc-homepage-headlines Link to Friends of the High Line Web site: http://www.thehighline.org/ Bernie Wagenblast Transportation Communications Newsletter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:57:43 -0400 From: "James Kelling" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Milwaukee "el?" I'm from there, and I'm fairly sure it never had one. Electric streetcars, yes, which ran over the river valley on viaducts which also carried motor vehicles. I'd like to see some photographic evidence. >>> sbramson_@_bellsouth.net 07/15/04 08:15AM >>> - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Who would have thunk it? >>>Somewhere along the way, either the ERA or the CERA published a piece on it. I have it here somewhere amidst the rubble, as well as a photo or two. VERY interesting, and, in fact, similar to the Milwaukee "el." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1d3.2609e0c0.2e293b2d_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:07:41 EDT From: I95BERNIEW_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway In a message dated 7/16/2004 9:59:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, james.kelling_@_nara.gov writes: > Milwaukee "el?" I'm from there, and I'm fairly sure it never had one. > Electric streetcars, yes, which ran over the river valley on viaducts which also > carried motor vehicles. I'd like to see some photographic evidence. Is it possible what is being thought of is this line in Chicago? < clip from http://www.chicago-l.org/operations/lines/ohare.html > The O'Hare branch of the Blue Line is made of three sections of three different vintages: the Milwaukee Elevated, Milwaukee-Kimball Subway and Kennedy Extension, and O'Hare Extension. What is now the Milwaukee Elevated -- the portion of the O'Hare branch of the Blue Line between Evergreen Portal south of Damen station and the Logan Square Portal north of California station -- actually represents a remnant of the Metropolitan Elevated's Northwest branch. The Metropolitan West Side Elevated Railroad Company -- more commonly referred to as 'the Met' -- built the Milwaukee Elevated in 1895 as part of its vast network of lines on the West and Northwest Sides. Northwest Side trains originally took a more circuitous route to and from downtown, predating the construction of the Milwaukee-Dearborn Subway. Heading outbound from the Loop, trains traversed the Met's four-track main line paralleling Van Buren Street to Marshfield Junction, where the four-track line split into three two-track branches. The Northwest branch headed due north parallel to Paulina Avenue to Milwaukee Avenue near around Evergreen Street, then turned northwest paralleling Milwaukee Avenue. The Northwest service continued northwest along Milwaukee to a terminal at Logan Square, near Kedzie and Logan Boulevard. Just beyond Robey (Damen) station, the branch split again, with Humboldt park service turning west along North Avenue to Lawndale. The portion of the Northwest branch along Milwaukee between Evergreen and Logan Square -- just over half of the original route's length -- is now what remains as the Milwaukee Elevated. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000a01c46b45$572c4110$96422118_@_D9F1GW41> References: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:58:22 -0400 From: "Cliff Scholes" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Is this Milwaukee El they are thinking of that very short stretch of elevated structure at the downtown end of the TMER&L rapid? Cliff Scholes ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Kelling" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Milwaukee "el?" I'm from there, and I'm fairly sure it never had one. Electric streetcars, yes, which ran over the river valley on viaducts which also carried motor vehicles. I'd like to see some photographic evidence. > > >>> sbramson_@_bellsouth.net 07/15/04 08:15AM >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > Who would have thunk it? > > >>>Somewhere along the way, either the ERA or the CERA published a piece on > it. I have it here somewhere amidst the rubble, as well as a photo or two. > VERY interesting, and, in fact, similar to the Milwaukee "el." > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004401c46b48$92a71fa0$96422118_@_D9F1GW41> References: <006301c46a37$2db998a0$0c2af7a5_@_paul> <002a01c46a4c$f2830cb0$32d52644@Wagenblast> <010f01c46b0b$cab9c100$a528f7a5@paul> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:21:31 -0400 From: "Cliff Scholes" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway To all: The ELECTRIC RAILROADS issue has a map of the Sioux City system, but does not indicate any stations on the El. However, there are pictures of stations at Third & Jones Sts (the downtown terminal) and one at Third & Division Sts. No indication of station locations is given in the ER issues' text. Cliff Scholes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Sioux City, Iowa > > I still think it is odd that in a land of flat planes as far as the eye can > see building 2 miles of heavy iron girders, viaducts, the expense seems > frivolous. But then I thought maybe the cost of 2 miles of El and the > stations (it didn't say how many there were, and there wasn't a map) was > cheaper than a bridge over the river, what with approaches and maybe having > to be able to pen the bridge for river traffic..so maybe it was a good > investment....Imagine if it had lasted to this day.Or had become part of an > intercity railroad if they hadn't gone bankrupt > > They built it to avoid 4 railroads' crossings, there were 84 railroad > crossings they would have had to contend with! > > Plus, the newspaper article says it was last El in the west but they are > forgetting BART! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernie Wagenblast" > To: ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; > "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "97" > ; "tic" > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:20 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > It is real. I found several citations about it on legitimate Web sites. > > > > Here are two of them: > > > > http://www.siouxcityhistory.org/transportation/more.php?id=29_0_4_0_M > > > > http://www.kingbridgeco.com/SiouxCityEL.htm > > > > > > Bernie Wagenblast > > Transportation Communications Newsletter > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Luchter" > > To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" > > ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" > > ; "97" ; "tic" > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:44 AM > > Subject: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > > > > Is this real? Seems unlikely and I never heard of it: > > > > > > http://www.clark.sioux-city.k12.ia.us/History/Transportation/El%20Railway.ht > m > > > > > > ================================= > > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <6d47486d657a.6d657a6d4748_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:11:26 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Flemington, N.J. CNJ Station to be Restored From Railway Preservation News (www.rypn.net) Flemington, N.J. CNJ Station to be Restored Posted By: Keith Muldowney Date: Wednesday, 14 July 2004, at 2:31 p.m. The former Central RR of NJ Passenger Station in Flemington, NJ is slated to be restored. A bank is purchasing the building which currently the Cafe Main Street. The Bank intends to restore the building to it's 1865 appearance along with adding a remote ATM and drive-up tellers which will be tastefully placed under a replicated station platform. The building has been altered greatly over the years but it's later additions will be removed and the original doors and windows will be reproduced along with the bay window. If anyone has any photos or drawings of the Flemington Station or any of the 9 other similiar CNJ stations, help would be appreciated. Fortunately Neshanic Station still stands but is currently a private residence. The Flemington Station is located along the portion on the old CNJ South Branch which is now owned and operated by the Black River & Western. Elizabethport, Bayonne 33rd St., Roselle, Dunellen, Glen Gardener, Bloomsbury, Neshanic Station, Three Bridges, & Flemington were all similar Stations at one time with the exceptions of minor details. Elizabethport had platforms which would be nice to use as the design for the replicated Station Platform. Only Flemington & Neshanic still stand. Cafe Main Street will be closing on July 18th so get in your last chance to eat in the station. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040716225048.LKBU1776.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net_@_mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:50:48 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > From: "Cliff Scholes" > Date: 2004/07/16 Fri AM 10:58:22 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > Is this Milwaukee El they are thinking of that very short stretch of > elevated structure at the downtown end of the TMER&L rapid? >>>Friends: As with the ERA article on the Sioux City el which one of our list members (may have been Mr. Scholes!) so kindly advised us of, there are several ERA or CERA publ's showing the Milw elevated. I did not say it was lengthy, but, for whatever distance, it was referred to as an elevated. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:17:03 EDT From: Tjfloyddc_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Agree about Seattle, such a waste. Haven't seen the Jax or Miami systems but the one in Jax sounds really pathetic. Las Vegas just opened up a monorail; should have built light rail there. In a message dated 7/16/2004 7:51:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sbramson_@_bellsouth.net writes: > Yes, Jacksonville's piece of worthless, useless, unused junk is elevated, > as is Miami's disgrace to the word "transit." Seattle's silly little toy is > also elevated, and it is just sad that they were hoodwinked into extending > it instead of building REAL light or heavy rail transit; the Wendell Cox > type tools of the auto/highway/rubber/road builder/oil company conspiracy > are VERY hard at work and get paid VERY well to spread their disinformation, > misinformation and outright lies and fabrications. > > (And if you want to know how I really feel, pls don't hesitate to ask!!) > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002b01c46bae$2b446280$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:25:42 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Seattle reminds me of Disney World's, I guess also Buffalo and Denver's people movers (do they still call them that?) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "seth bramson" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > > > > There is an elevated rail structure in Seattle, as well: the monorail > that > > runs from the Space Needle to the northern edge of downdown. > > > > Miami's people mover is also elevated, I believe. Not sure about > > Jacksonville. > > >>Yes, Jacksonville's piece of worthless, useless, unused junk is elevated, > as is Miami's disgrace to the word "transit." Seattle's silly little toy is > also elevated, and it is just sad that they were hoodwinked into extending > it instead of building REAL light or heavy rail transit; the Wendell Cox > type tools of the auto/highway/rubber/road builder/oil company conspiracy > are VERY hard at work and get paid VERY well to spread their disinformation, > misinformation and outright lies and fabrications. > > (And if you want to know how I really feel, pls don't hesitate to ask!!) > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003901c46baf$fc68ec40$1826f7a5_@_paul> References: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:41:45 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway Monorails even if elevated I don't think qualify as an elevated railroad, do they? Parts of the Keyes System was elevated in the East Bay, at least in Oakland (as was the SP that stopped at Oakland 33rd Street and then went to the bridge, at least that part was...was there an elevated part of the Pacific Electric Big Red cars in LA area? Hoboken, Jersey City and Newark all had elevated parts of the streetcar system...(If we are including Seattle then these have to be included...but really is a steetcar El an Le? (Boston orange and green lines were streetcars and considered Els, right? The portion just removed was built for streetcars in fact.. The article said it was the third elevated railroad in the world. I presume New York and Brooklyn are the other two....did London have an elevated? Toronto? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sioux City Elevated Railway > Agree about Seattle, such a waste. Haven't seen the Jax or Miami systems but > the one in Jax sounds really pathetic. > > Las Vegas just opened up a monorail; should have built light rail there. > > In a message dated 7/16/2004 7:51:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > sbramson_@_bellsouth.net writes: > > > > Yes, Jacksonville's piece of worthless, useless, unused junk is elevated, > > as is Miami's disgrace to the word "transit." Seattle's silly little toy is > > also elevated, and it is just sad that they were hoodwinked into extending > > it instead of building REAL light or heavy rail transit; the Wendell Cox > > type tools of the auto/highway/rubber/road builder/oil company conspiracy > > are VERY hard at work and get paid VERY well to spread their disinformation, > > misinformation and outright lies and fabrications. > > > > (And if you want to know how I really feel, pls don't hesitate to ask!!) > > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004101c46bb0$10ace940$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:42:18 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Fw: North Station closure schedules - ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Rosenberg To: luckyshow_@_mindspring.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: Re: North Station closure schedules All I know is that it was sent to me by one of my closest, oldest friends. Do you think the library wants it? ----- Original Message ----- From: luckyshow_@_mindspring.com To: Henry Rosenberg Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: North Station closure schedules Did you realize that the postcard you sent is not one of those that the Boston Library image search has..and I think it might have been the best one (did they take out the Els in that postcard or was it further away from the station and would be out of picture on that card -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rosenberg Sent: Jul 16, 2004 9:45 PM To: fred fep Subject: North Station closure schedules Article Last Updated: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 7:13:13 AM EST OTHER ARTICLES IN THIS SECTION 7/16/2004 - Rigors of war change life forever for a Harvard son - Antonioni pushes eye-screening bill - Groton veterans' POW claims called untrue - Searchers' best friends - State Police dogs play a vital in the grim searches for human remains - State Police dog helped at Ground Zero, going to DNC MBTA releases train schedules for week of Democratic Convention By Jason Lefferts State House Bureau SHIRLEY -- Train riders from Fitchburg to Boston will likely spend an extra 15 to 20 minutes getting into downtown Boston during the Democratic National Convention, according to schedules from the MBTA. The schedules released by the agency last week includes three more trains inbound and outbound on the Fitchburg/South Acton line, and also figure in 10 extra minutes for the total commute from Fitchburg to the downtown Park Street T station. Instead of running into North Station, which is being closed by security officials, the commuter rail trains will run to Porter Square in Cambridge, where riders can pick up the Red Line. Joe Pesaturo, a spokesman for the MBTA, said the agency will coordinate services so an empty Red Line train is waiting for commuter rail riders. He said some riders may find their overall commute shorter, with better access to other parts of the city that are not near North Station. "Because of the length, the Fitchburg line is probably the least impacted of the four lines coming out of North Station," Pesaturo said. "Some people who usually go into North Station were transferring to get into the Financial District. They might be getting a more direct route." North Station will be closed from the evening of Friday, July 23, until Saturday, July 31, for security reasons as the Democrats hold their national convention in the FleetCenter, which sits above the busy train station. The three additional trains will run inbound from the South Action station at 1:25 and 7:56 p.m., and from Fitchburg at 5:15 p.m. The outbound trains will leave Porter at 12:30, 3:40, and 7 p.m. Only the 3:40 train will go the entire route to Fitchburg, with the other two trains stopping in South Acton. "We just want to give people as many options as possible that week," Pesaturo said. Security measures for the convention include a number of lane closures and some complete shutdowns of highways in and around Boston. Boston and state officials have been encouraging businesses to either let employees take the week off or encourage telecommuting or work hours that avoid rush hour traveling. Pesaturo said MBTA officials have been working on a plan for nearly a year, and expect increased ridership during the week of the convention. "If you consider the other option of individuals getting into motor vehicles and driving into Boston for the week, I think it's a no-brainer," he said. "We have to put our best foot forward. We have to do our best to put forward quality service. We realize people are going to turn to the T." The schedules for convention week are available on-line, at www.mbta.com RETURN TO TOP ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007001c46bb2$c00329c0$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:01:32 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway Interesting: http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/birmingham.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <016601c46bca$d752a520$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:53:58 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Horseshoe Curve Nice view: http://www.conknet.com/%7Ewmsc/pennrr2o.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <015001c46bca$1056b420$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:48:24 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Hudson Terminal Hudson Terminal is on the left. They should rebuild it LOL. Nice head on tunnel view. What is the station on the right, Newark?: http://www.conknet.com/%7Ewmsc/hudman1gr.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #948 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: References: <015001c46bca$1056b420$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:49:54 -0400 From: "Arthur Peterson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hudson Terminal Station on the right is Journal Square, Jersey City (although that wasn't it's earliest name). ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Luchter To: RSHS Depot Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:48 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Hudson Terminal Hudson Terminal is on the left. They should rebuild it LOL. Nice head on tunnel view. What is the station on the right, Newark?: http://www.conknet.com/%7Ewmsc/hudman1gr.jpg =============================== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001001c46c31$b9958e00$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:10:25 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Orchard Beach and North Easton (continuing the Boston theme) B&M Station, Old Orchard Beach, Maine: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/me/york/postcards/obmsta.jpg Old Colony Station, North Easton, Mass. (1882-1884) Henry Hobson Richardson, architect: http://cidc.library.cornell.edu/adw/Gallery/galleryimages/richardson213.jpg The grounds were done by Frederick Law Olmsted. F.L. Ames was director of the old colony and commissioned this station. In 1969 the Ames family bought it from the New York Central RR (was it Penn Central?) and gave it to the local historical society. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001b01c46c33$39e5a620$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:21:04 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Sullivan Square Terminal Station, Charlestown, Mass., City hall Station, Dudley Square Station Here is one of South Station with the Atlantic Avenue El, a different view: http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/boston.jpg A different take: http://www.wmscnet.com/bostonterm1.jpg New York & New England RR station in Boston. (Did I send this already?) Have I missed any terminals in Boston?: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_77229.jpg < The NY & NE Railroad Depot was located on Summer Street on the present site of South Station. The Depot was torn down in 1896 to make way for the South Station which unified all the southern railroad lines to Boston. > Sullivan Square Terminal Station, Charlestown: http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/charlestownmass.jpg This looks like an interesting station. Sullivan Square station was the largest transit facility in North America when it opened in 1901.. A "multi-modal" facility. . Streetcar barn and yard below a yard and shop facility for Main Line trains on the structure above. We see in this postcard the Boston Elevated Railway Main Line cars on the left. There was a center track, flanked by ten stub-end tracks, 5 to each side. In 1912 with an extension to Malden, it became a through station, the stub tracks were changed to a loop for the "surface-cars". Fires in 1960s led to the final closing in 1975. I was there once, it was a shell of a structure. This was the original Orange line. You can read the full history here. None of the images seem to be there anymore, though.: http://members.aol.com/netransit/private/chel/celsulli.html The offices of the BER were in Sullivan Square Terminal. Here we see the other side of the terminal: http://www.celebrateboston.com/images/gallery/mbtasullivansquarestation.jpg; Nice shed! (1900): http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/sullivan_sq_station_inside_1900.jpg 1908: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/sullivan_square_1908.jpg 1950: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/1950_sullivan_square.jpg Note the old car, what make is it? 1975: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/el_1975_south_of_sullvan_sq_4.jpg 1935 Sullivan Square: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/streetcar_1935.jpg 1970s: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/sullivan_sq_1970s.jpg Eastern Massachusetts Street railway "Laconia" semi-convertible #4322 at Sullivan Square, Feb. 1936: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/streetcar_1936.jpg Here is a truly bizarre old postcard from Sullivan Square, Berwick, Maine called "Sullivan Square in the Future, it is far ahead of its time, no?: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/me/york/postcards/berfut.jpg Here is short histories and postcard views of Dudley Street Terminal Station, Milk and City Hall stations as well,: http://www.celebrateboston.com/gallery/mbtaorangeline.htm Very nice pictures. This all looks so nice (but where is all the horse poop?) Here is Charlestown City hall and City hall El station: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/city_square_1908.jpg Here is 1906, the Charlestown Bridge and City hall and the El: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/bridge_city_hall_1906.jpg City Hall Station 1952: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/city_square_1952.jpg Northeast Expressway is being constructed in foreground. 1975 demolition: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/el_demolition_1975_city_square.jpg [ a cool (and sad) one at Thompson Square Station 1975: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/el_demolition_1975_thompson_sq_2.jpg ] The first leg of the Malden extension ended at Everett. A temporary station went up 1918, opened 1919, and this not so grand structure ended up being the northern terminal of the Main Line. The Mystic River draw bridge was built to get to Malden. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004d01c46c42$110b4890$6101a8c0_@_NewComputer> References: <007001c46bb2$c00329c0$1826f7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:07:27 -0400 From: "seth bramson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Rick Pinard" ; "Derek Hoyle" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway > Interesting: > http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/birmingham.jpg >>>Right. NOT really a subway, Paul, but actually a streetcar tunnel under Birm Term Sta, which I believe was later used for vehicles. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:58:18 -0400 From: "Arthur Peterson" Subject: (rshsdepot) Birmingham "subway" Yes, Seth is correct. I recall the "subway" being used by autos in 1968 when I was in Birmingham. Art Peterson ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003501c46c49$d5b5f260$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> References: <007001c46bb2$c00329c0$1826f7a5_@_paul> <004d01c46c42$110b4890$6101a8c0@NewComputer> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:03:03 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway This I know but this is similar to the 4th Avenue (Park Ave. ) NY and Harlem tunnel. Anyway I always found it odd that in San Jose, Cal., an underground walkway like at the SP station, was called a subway, as I think it might be in London as well....Still there are not many trolley tunnels either are there? And here is an addition to the "Elevated", though St. Louis was only the west long long ago. There was that interurban, I think to Alton that was elevated, but would our definition of an elevated railroad have to include local stations or else the Rock Island into Chicago is an Elevated; and even though it is elevated it is not an Elevated.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "seth bramson" To: ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Rick Pinard" ; "Derek Hoyle" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Luchter" > To: "RSHS Depot" ; "Henry Rosenberg" > ; "Rick Pinard" ; "Derek Hoyle" > > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:01 AM > Subject: (rshsdepot) OT: Birmingham subway > > > > Interesting: > > http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/birmingham.jpg > > >>>Right. NOT really a subway, Paul, but actually a streetcar tunnel under > Birm Term Sta, which I believe was later used for vehicles. > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005801c46c66$44c5e360$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:26:28 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) DoubleDecker at Union Station, Columbus, Ohio c. 1907-1915 Union Station c. 1910-1915: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rocky/PostcardHTML/unionsta_columbus.htm This is exquisite. People would visit Columbus more if it still looked like this ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007901c46c68$e7f7ecc0$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:45:22 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Los Angeles interlude An older Southern Pacific Depot: http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/lasouthpacific.jpg The Southern Pacific Arcade Depot, bounded by 4th, 5th, Alameda & Central. http://www.ulwaf.com/Site-Images/ArcadePostcard.gif 1908 map: http://www.ulwaf.com/Site-Images/ArcadeDepot.gif ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007d01c46c6a$3ade5900$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:54:50 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) A minor ode to the Green line El (Newton Highlands station) The Boston Elevated Railway Company: http://www.wmscnet.com/boselev1g.jpg Here is a Lechmere bound Green train on the MBTA, on the Lechmere El at North Station (or is it North Station Station?) This is all now gone, but in this photo is a long abandoned platform for the shuttle to the Atlantic Avenue El (which is the one passing South Station in the old photos.: http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~carterfd/3677,-3662-arrive-at-NS.jpg < This is what remains of a platform built to serve shuttle trains running along the Atlantic Avenue El to/from North Station. It dates from when the Lechmere El opened in 1912, with trolleys providing "temporary" service. Originally the builders planned to have regular El trains running to Lechmere, but construction stopped before the connecting tracks between it and the Main Line El were completed. The shuttle service probably ended in October 1938 when all service on the Atlantic Avenue El was discontinued. Most of the Atlantic Avenue El was torn down in 1942 (except for a short section used to store extra trains on days when there were events at the Boston Garden), with the scrap metal being Boston's big contribution to the war effort. > The Highland Branch/Green Line, from steam to LRV. Riverside to Lechmere (Highland Branch). Replaced by motor coaches? Here is Newton Highlands Station on the MBTA. And both cars seem to be going in the same direction? 2003 photos: http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/BostonElevatedRy5734onFTatNewtonHighlands 5-17-87EO1.jpg http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/BostonElevatedRy5734onFTatNewtonHighlands 5-17-87EO.jpg http://www.sessions-station.com/Trolley%20Cars%201/medium_BostonElevatedRy57 34onFTatNewtonHighlands5-17-87EO1.jpg Newton Highlands is on the "D" Green Line to Riverside. I presume this still runs or is it another that has been ended or replaced? This one says 1976, also Newton Highlands but it looks like a different station.: http://www.sessions-station.com/Trolley%20Cars%202/medium_MBTA3072onFTatNewt onHighlands10-30-76GHL.jpg Maybe it is misfiled. < A station was first built at the location of the present Newton Highlands MBTA stop when the Charles River Railroad was extended through Newton in 1852. This single track railroad was used to carry fill and gravel from Needham to the Back Bay during the late 1800s. The railbed was upgraded in the 1870s. By the end of the century, the Boston and Albany railroad provided regular passenger service using steam locomotives on a route that ran from Boston’s South Station, along the current Green Line to Riverside, then around the loop in Auburndale, connecting to the present Worcester-Framingham commuter line, and then back to South Station. Called the Circuit Railway, this line led to the rapid development of the village of Newton Highlands. Freight service along the Circuit Branch ceased in 1958, in preparation for the opening of electrified trolley service in 1959 (the present-day Riverside Green Line).> Here is a turn of the (20th) century depot at Newton Highlands (B&A at time): http://medg.lcs.mit.edu/people/psz/nhnac/NH-picts/1depotnewtonhighmass.jpg Look at the locomotive. Was it a small one or was this station roof seems massive. This must be a neat auto parts store.! < The Newton Highlands Railroad Depot is now an MBTA stop, with the building housing an automobile parts store.> Newton Highland Auto Parts is at 18 Station Avenue: http://www.google.com/local?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=G&as_qdr=all&q=aut to+parts&near=Newton+Highlands,+MA+02161&radius=0.0&latlng=42318511,-7120934 66,42322236,-71206298&oi=locald It is a long link, there is a map to the depot. Here is a Boston and Albany (New York Central) passenger train on the Highland Branch in 1948: http://medg.lcs.mit.edu/people/psz/nhnac/NH-picts/newton%20highlands%201948. jpg What type locomotive? Here is a 1911 streetcar on Lincoln Street, in Newton Highlands. a.us/election/NewtonHighlands/Image12.jpg In Great Britain the takeover of a declining branch rail line for light rail is seen as a landmark moment. This from a long report from the Light rail Transit Association: http://www.lrta.org/facts78.html I think the Riverside Line will be back connected adain but underground at North Station. Eliot MBTA Station in Newton Highlands, PCC heading "inland": http://www.ci.newton.ma.us/election/NewtonHighlands/Image16.gif Eliot MBTA Station is in Newton Highlands but it doesn't look like that other station in that one picture. Sometimes I find misplaced pictures in these collections that have been put on line and othertimes they are horribly misidentified. Just try telling them, you have to go through hoop after hoop, all these forms and even passwords...just for trying to correct all the glaring mistakes...most seem connected to when they put them on line but sometimes it seems to go far back. Anyway I am not sure they do anything. Mostly they write back and tell me all the ways I should go elsewhere...... Streetcar and LRV on the Lechmere Viaduct., the E train, (Heath Street to Lechmere (Huntington Street)) http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/BostonElevatedRy5734onFTatLechmereViaduct 5-17-87EO.jpg Green line on Lechmere Viaduct (is this also now gone?): http://www.lightrail.com/photos/boston/Boston23.jpg Lechmere is (was?) the last stop, it is in Cambridge, It climbs (climbed?) up an incline to the Viaduct which dates to 1912. It loops (looped?) around in Lechmere: http://images.nycsubway.org//i14000/img_14026.jpg ttp://images.nycsubway.org//i23000/img_23432.jpg ttp://images.nycsubway.org//i31000/img_31803.jpg This is all replaced by a bus now isn't it? So much for local color. The Lechmere El is no more. The Lechmere Viaduct crosses the old dam between Cambridge and Boston: http://www.massbayrre.org/P_BH0228.htm Heading inbound approaching the viaduct: http://members.tripod.com/~riid/boston/ks2.jpg Notice the new design. At North Station stop: http://members.tripod.com/~riid/boston/ks5.jpg This one must be gone. Was the removal of the Lechmere El hurried up due to the Convention? The last leg west from Brigham Circle to Heath runs in the street, the only left in Boston...at least as of the web site I saw, does this line still run in the street? Then there is the Molasses Disaster: 21 people were killed on Commercial Street in the North End when a tank of molasses ruptured and exploded. An eight foot wave of the syrupy brown liquid moved down Commercial Street at a speed of 35mph. 1/15/1919 Here's what it did to a part of the Boston Elevated on Commercial Street: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_02339.jpg ttp://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_02343.jpg Boston Elevated Railway #3210 coming to Boston on the New Haven Railroad: http://64.242.254.49/images/trolley/trol_berypcc1.jpeg A good overview with a smattering of history can be seen here: http://www.lightrailnow.org/facts/fa_bos001.htm Lechmere is only closing for a year maybe. Read about it here: http://www.townonline.com/somerville/news/local_regional/sj_newsjlechmerems0 3042004.htm I saw where in 60s they closed one line temporarily and it never reopened. Something like this also happened in Philadelphia. Charlestown Bridge 1908: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/charlestown_bridge_1 908.jpg A trolley on the Chelsea Bridge from Charlestown: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/~rauch/charlestown/postcards/chelsea_bridge_1910. jpg Here is a six wheel BER bus #1204 c. 1925-1931): http://64.242.254.49/images/bus_bery1204sm.jpeg Built be Versare Everett Shops: http://www.pccmph.com/images\mbta52.jpg On the old interurban line: http://www.pccmph.com/images\mbta87.jpg (OK, this has nothing to do with any El....) OK, I have run out of rail related things having any elation to the Democratic Convention in the Fleet Center (which I have included no pictures of I was in Bayonne the other day. Drove over the Bayonne Bridge. Now there is a time tunnel to the past. So underused that it has no center divider. It is almost as it opened. As I drove it was like I was in one of those old postcards with the sparse traffic. I want to take that streetcar. Hudson County, Camden, Kenosha, Omaha. And even all the dinky monorails and people movers. Are these any more of a lark than the interurban Air Line or a heavy rail El in Sioux City. All the overcapacity in the San Francisco Bay area. It is actually feels healthy even if the risk now is mostly the governments and not investors and entrepreneurs. (except the Omaha guy. He must be rich, was he planning to sell shares? How many passengers would it have to carry to make a profit on the $6.6 million dollar investment? ) ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a701c46c73$3401f980$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:59:03 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Cleveland, Southwestern & Columbus, Wooster car barn Here is a great photo of the Wooster, Cleveland car barn of the Cleveland, Southwestern and Columbus Railway: http://206.103.49.193/odds/oh/jpg/cswc37.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00b601c46c7a$5246d440$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:50:04 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) The Buddy Holly Center See: http://www.buddyhollycenter.org/htm/about.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002401c46c79$c3d81f20$0786e644_@_CPQ13534280702> References: <001b01c46c33$39e5a620$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:46:09 -0400 From: "JIMBEAR" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sullivan Square Terminal Station, Charlestown, Mass., City hall Station, Dudley Square Station - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Luchter" To: "RSHS Depot" > New York & New England RR station in Boston. (Did I send this already?) Have I missed any terminals in Boston?: I might have missed it, Paul; but did you list the Boston & Providence station ? Jim. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00e701c46c8f$17de8a40$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> References: <001b01c46c33$39e5a620$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> <002401c46c79$c3d81f20$0786e644@CPQ13534280702> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:18:49 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sullivan Square Terminal Station, Charlestown, Mass., City hall Station, Dudley Square Station Yes, somewhere in there in one before this one, maybe a couple. . Maybe two pictures. On the west side I think. The one first proposed for a union station site. It may not have been with the first message of the B & P but the next message...I can't recall, I should get more sleep! pl - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIMBEAR" To: Cc: "Craig Parada" ; "Rick Pinard" ; "Clone" ; "Jamie" ; "George Mallis" ; "Craig Kerr" ; "Jon Watson" ; "Marvin Moldowsky" ; "Henry Rosenberg" ; "Derek Hoyle" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Sullivan Square Terminal Station, Charlestown, Mass., City hall Station, Dudley Square Station > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Luchter" > To: "RSHS Depot" > > New York & New England RR station in Boston. (Did I send this already?) Have I missed any terminals in Boston?: > > I might have missed it, Paul; but did you list the Boston & Providence station ? > > Jim. > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <010401c46c9b$2dec2d40$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:45:19 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Another non-subway subway Route 31 tram emerging from Kingsway subway, under Waterloo bridge, at Victoria Embankment, London. Jan. 9, 1950:. Note the conduit system: http://dewi.ca/trains/london/pix/n08_09.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <010e01c46ca1$68774d40$1a2ff7a5_@_paul> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:29:51 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Boston & Providence rerun with a new addition & other odds and ends (and Haverill, too) " The station of the Boston and Providence Railroad, although surpassed in size by a few structures of the kind, is inferior to none, in this country at least, in artistic beauty and in adaptability to the uses for which it was designed. It consists of two distinct but connected parts. The train-house has a length of five hundred and eighty-eight feet and an extreme width of one hundred and thirty feet. The great iron trusses cover five tracks and three platforms. The head-house is two hundred and twelve feet long, and one hundred and fifty feet wide at the widest point, the lot on which it stands being very irregular in shape. In the centre of the head-house is a great marble hall, one hundred and eighty feet long, forty-four broad, and eighty high. It is imposing in its general effect and magnificent in its architectural beauty and its ornamentation. Surrounding this hall are the waiting and other rooms for the accommodation of passengers, a periodical stand, baggage and package rooms, and an excellent restaurant. A barber-shop is attached to the news-room. A fine gallery surrounds the hall above mentioned, and from this access is had to the offices of the company and other apartments. The cost of this station was nearly one million dollars. The Providence Railroad has numerous branches, and its main line forms part of the popular Shore (all rail) and Stonington (rail and steamboat) lines to New York. It was united with the Old Colony in 1888, and is now operated as the Providence division of the Old Colony system." The Old Providence Depot in Boston, the first of the Providence RR (B&P), c. 1870: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76604.jpg This one I hadn't found the first time. The 2nd Boston & Providence RR station in Boston: http://www.kellscraft.com/bostonillustrated/bostonillust043.jpg Lincoln statue at left on photo, c. 1880: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76621.jpg From Park Square, w/ West End Street Ry. #558 (blt. 1893): http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_77213.jpg Here is the Wanckel Estate 1858 with a B&P train steaming by: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_76802.jpg B&P: http://www.clintonhollins.com/img/r0770.jpg http://www.clintonhollins.com/img/r0750.jpg http://us.st3.yimg.com/store5.yimg.com/I/scripophily_1795_145292479 Georgetown, Rowley & Ipswich Street Railway #22 in Haverill (Haverhill?), Mass., c. 1910: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_77214.jpg Bridge Street and Merrimack Street, White's Corner, the end of the line. Here is a Massachusetts Northeastern Street Ry.. Co. open car at the Hampton Beach Casino, N.H. bound for Haverhill, Mass.: http://www.trolleystop.com/images/hamptonbchcasino-1.jpg Massachusetts Northeastern Street Ry. Hamden Beach Casino station: http://www.trolleystop.com/images/hamptonbeach.jpg Here's an Eastern Massachusetts Street Railway Birney car in Haverhill in 1936 : http://www.trolleymuseum.org/Catalog/featured/TEMWebPage/EMSRBirney-2Haverhill.JPG http://www.trolleymuseum.org/Catalog/featured/TEMWebPage/EMSR5225Haverhill.JPG And same year and operation and city with a semi-convertible: http://www.trolleymuseum.org/Catalog/featured/TEMWebPage/EMSR4100Haverhill.JPG Eastern Massachusetts Street Ry. car 4300 on the BER Sullivan Square Terminal to Stoneham Route on the Middlesex falls private ROW; this route jointly owned: http://www.trolleymuseum.org/Catalog/featured/TEMWebPage/EMSR4388Sheepfold.JPG This service ended 1946. The BER at Sullivan Square c. 1937: http://www.trolleymuseum.org/Catalog/featured/TEMWebPage/BERYSullivanSq.JPG Marine Railway, Boston Navy yard, Easy Boston (Charlestown) [this is a trick]: 1915: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_77145.jpg 1919: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h54000/h54691.jpg http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h45000/h45289.jpg Remember Highlands? Here is a Newton & Boston Street Railway car "Newtonville" on the Newton Highlands & Upper Falls route; in Newton Upper Falls near "Echo Bridge".: http://www.trolleystop.com/images/newtonbostoncar.jpg Became part of the Middlesex & Boston Street Ry. Proposed Ferry Terminal, Boston: http://www.krausfitch.com/images/pics/drawing2.jpg 1908 looking down lower State Street towards Ferry Terminal: http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_76618.jpg Boston, Nahant and Pines Steam Ship. Co. S.S. Patchogue (blt. 1912 at City Island, bought by U.S. Navy 1917, acted as ferry at New London until 1922: http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1217122701.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #949 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <200407192017.i6JKHHrI053710_@_net.bluemoon.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: (rshsdepot) Virus intercepted A message sent from to contained Worm.Bagle.Gen-zippwd and has not been delivered. The message was received by (null) from via (null) For your information, the original message headers were: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:14:58 -0500 To: "Rshsdepot" From: "James.dent" Subject: Re: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------cbkszmjwsnjumdqueykc" ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003a01c46e23$b113ebc0$6b2ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:35:02 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) El addition The now closed north division of the Staten Island Rapid Transit is elevated on the western portion through Port Richmond, the closed elevated station is still there. Foreign wise I am still checking. Hamburg has the Hochbahn, Berlin had an elevated line, I have found amazing images on line. Liverpool- I once sent stuff about that. Paris may have had one once, Copenhagen maybe....The Hague had the first Elevated Railway. Tokyo had one, I am not sure it still exists... ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #950 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008d01c46eba$eee0d160$e31df7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:37:34 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor rail stations. Bangor, Wales This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C46E99.63648440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bangor, North Wales (formerly on the Great Western Railway) On this page is a picture of an earlier Bangor station: http://uk.geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html See this page for pictures of the Bangor, North Wales station in the = 1970s: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/passenger.htm and here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/strangers.htm [many other North Wales rail = pictures can be accessed from here as well] Is a DMU a "diesel multiple = unit" ? Here is a steam engine pulled excursion train in front of Bangor = station: http://rhylmrc.freeservers.com/images/5972_olton_hall_bangor_28may01.jpg = This is a modern picture. (ex-GWR Hall 5792 Olton Hall class is the = engine designation) Now called the North Wales Coast Railway (main line-Manchester and Crewe = to Bangor and Holyhead, 3 branch lines to Blaenau, Ffestiniog and = Llandudno) Bangor is 238.71 miles from London Euston station.=20 Here is the map: http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/osbig.gif Across from = Bangor is the Isle of Anglesey. [When this island was known as the Isle = of Mona, in 60 A.D., Seutonius Paulinus took the 19th and 20th Roman = Legions to the Isle of Mona where they proceed to kill the Druiid = priests and destroy the sacred groves,] The Chester and Holyhead Railway opened 1948. In 1859 it was swallowed = up by the London and North Western Ry.; In 1923 this coast line became = part of the London, Midland and Scottish Ry. under a government merger = plan. Merged into British Railways after WW II, called British Rail in = 1960's (nothing to do with Great Western this Brit rail history = says)...The last main line steam train on Brit Rail was in 1968 ...in = the 1990s it was privatized and called Regional Railways North West, = renamed North West Regional Railways. ...in 1994 Railtrack took over, in = 1996 the majority of freight locomotives and "wagons" in Britain were = sold Wisconsin Central Ry., and formed into the English, Welsh and = Scottish Ry., the passenger equipment and operations were franchised to = Train Operating Companies- the North West Regional Railways in 1997 = became the North Western Trains of the Great western Group, the Virgin = Group ran the trains from and to London. Now this line is owned by a bus = company, FirstGroup, and is called First North Western, most of the = Virgin Trains owned by the Stagecoach Group. this history ends in 2000. A North West Coast Railway Class 158 train in an unidentified station (I = am checking), nice sheds (called an Ariva train):=20 http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/ch-0812-158818.jpg Views of a freight at Bangor: = http://www.vegwales.connectfree.co.uk/bat/nwc/double/3.htm The station was built around 1922, but I can't find any historic = pictures. Here is a page with some photos of restored old British diesel = locomotives on this line. The top photo is at Bangor, and if you go down = you will see more at this station, and at others, and even a train going = through the Penmaenmawr yards. But best of all near the bottom see the = train passing the Conway Castle. This picture is worth all the others if = European railway stations bore you, I would love to take this train and = pass through that bridge!: http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/news/nw0211.htm Britain has more railroading in one little coast of Wales than we have = in almost the entire country! [Crewe is a pretty interesting station also on this line, all the = pictures on this page are at Crewe. There is one where it is passing = this multi arched brick wall that is a great shot; the third picture = down which I would crop back on the left to remove the ugly modern = addition part, 3 shots down is a better location: = http://www.rail37.freeserve.co.uk/NWC_May.html ] Here is the Victorian Bangor Pier: = http://www.rainbowcourt.co.uk/otbt/Bangor_Pier1.jpg Bangor, Wales: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/s1773-28.jpg http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/s1838.jpg - ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C46E99.63648440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bangor, North Wales = (formerly on=20 the Great Western Railway)
 
On this page is a = picture of an=20 earlier Bangor station:
http://uk.= geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html
 
See this page for = pictures of=20 the Bangor, North Wales station in the 1970s:
http://www.2d53.co.uk= /bangor/passenger.htm and=20 here:
http://www.2d53.co.uk= /bangor/strangers.htm =20 [many other North Wales rail pictures can be accessed from here as well] = Is a=20 DMU a "diesel multiple unit" ?
 
Here is a steam = engine pulled=20 excursion train in front of Bangor station:
http://rhylmrc.freeservers.com/images/5972_olton_hall_bangor_28m= ay01.jpg =20 This is a modern picture. (ex-GWR Hall 5792 Olton Hall class is the = engine=20 designation)
 
Now called the North = Wales Coast=20 Railway (main line-Manchester and Crewe to Bangor and Holyhead, 3 branch = lines to Blaenau, Ffestiniog and Llandudno)  Bangor is=20 238.71 miles from London Euston station.
 
Here is the map: http://www.page27.co.uk= /nwales/osbig.gif =20 Across from Bangor is the Isle of Anglesey. [When this island was known = as the=20 Isle of Mona, in 60 A.D., Seutonius Paulinus took the 19th and 20th = Roman=20 Legions to the Isle of Mona where they proceed to kill the Druiid = priests and=20 destroy the sacred groves,]
 
The Chester and = Holyhead Railway=20 opened 1948.  In 1859 it was swallowed up by the London and North = Western=20 Ry.; In 1923 this coast line became part of the London, Midland and = Scottish Ry.=20 under a government merger plan. Merged into British Railways after WW = II, called=20 British Rail in 1960's (nothing to do with Great Western this Brit rail = history=20 says)...The last main line steam train on Brit Rail was in = 1968 ...in the=20 1990s it was privatized and called Regional Railways North West, renamed = North=20 West Regional Railways. ...in 1994 Railtrack took over, in 1996 the = majority of=20 freight locomotives and "wagons" in Britain were sold  Wisconsin = Central=20 Ry., and formed into the English, Welsh and Scottish Ry., the passenger=20 equipment and operations were franchised to Train Operating Companies- = the North=20 West  Regional Railways in 1997 became the North Western Trains of = the=20 Great western Group, the Virgin Group ran the trains from and to London. = Now=20 this line is owned by a bus company, FirstGroup, and is called First = North=20 Western, most of the Virgin Trains owned by the Stagecoach = Group.
 
this history ends in = 2000.
 
A North West Coast = Railway Class=20 158 train in an unidentified station (I am checking), nice sheds = (called an=20 Ariva train):
http://www.pag= e27.co.uk/nwales/ch-0812-158818.jpg
Views of a freight = at Bangor: http:= //www.vegwales.connectfree.co.uk/bat/nwc/double/3.htm
The station was = built around=20 1922, but I can't find any historic pictures.
Here is a page with = some photos=20 of restored old British diesel locomotives on this line. The top photo = is at=20 Bangor, and if you go down you will see more at this station, and = at=20 others, and even a train going through the Penmaenmawr yards. But best = of all=20 near the bottom see the train passing the Conway Castle. This picture is = worth=20 all the others if European railway stations bore you, I would love to = take this=20 train and pass through that bridge!:
http://www.page27= .co.uk/nwales/news/nw0211.htm
Britain has more = railroading in=20 one little coast of Wales than we have in almost the entire=20 country!
[Crewe is a pretty = interesting=20 station also on this line, all the pictures on this page are at Crewe. = There is=20 one where it is passing this multi arched brick wall that is a great = shot; the=20 third picture down which I would crop back on the left to remove the = ugly modern=20 addition part, 3 shots down is a better location: http://www.rail37= .freeserve.co.uk/NWC_May.html ]
 
Here is the = Victorian Bangor=20 Pier: http://www.r= ainbowcourt.co.uk/otbt/Bangor_Pier1.jpg
 
Bangor, = Wales:
http://www.2d53.co.uk/= bangor/s1773-28.jpg
http://www.2d53.co.uk/ban= gor/s1838.jpg
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C46E99.63648440-- ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008d01c46eba$eee0d160$e31df7a5_@_paul> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:37:34 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor rail stations. Bangor, Wales Bangor, North Wales (formerly on the Great Western Railway) On this page is a picture of an earlier Bangor station: http://uk.geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html See this page for pictures of the Bangor, North Wales station in the 1970s: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/passenger.htm and here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/strangers.htm [many other North Wales rail pictures can be accessed from here as well] Is a DMU a "diesel multiple unit" ? Here is a steam engine pulled excursion train in front of Bangor station: http://rhylmrc.freeservers.com/images/5972_olton_hall_bangor_28may01.jpg This is a modern picture. (ex-GWR Hall 5792 Olton Hall class is the engine designation) Now called the North Wales Coast Railway (main line-Manchester and Crewe to Bangor and Holyhead, 3 branch lines to Blaenau, Ffestiniog and Llandudno) Bangor is 238.71 miles from London Euston station. Here is the map: http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/osbig.gif Across from Bangor is the Isle of Anglesey. [When this island was known as the Isle of Mona, in 60 A.D., Seutonius Paulinus took the 19th and 20th Roman Legions to the Isle of Mona where they proceed to kill the Druiid priests and destroy the sacred groves,] The Chester and Holyhead Railway opened 1948. In 1859 it was swallowed up by the London and North Western Ry.; In 1923 this coast line became part of the London, Midland and Scottish Ry. under a government merger plan. Merged into British Railways after WW II, called British Rail in 1960's (nothing to do with Great Western this Brit rail history says)...The last main line steam train on Brit Rail was in 1968 ...in the 1990s it was privatized and called Regional Railways North West, renamed North West Regional Railways. ...in 1994 Railtrack took over, in 1996 the majority of freight locomotives and "wagons" in Britain were sold Wisconsin Central Ry., and formed into the English, Welsh and Scottish Ry., the passenger equipment and operations were franchised to Train Operating Companies- the North West Regional Railways in 1997 became the North Western Trains of the Great western Group, the Virgin Group ran the trains from and to London. Now this line is owned by a bus company, FirstGroup, and is called First North Western, most of the Virgin Trains owned by the Stagecoach Group. this history ends in 2000. A North West Coast Railway Class 158 train in an unidentified station (I am checking), nice sheds (called an Ariva train): http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/ch-0812-158818.jpg Views of a freight at Bangor: http://www.vegwales.connectfree.co.uk/bat/nwc/double/3.htm The station was built around 1922, but I can't find any historic pictures. Here is a page with some photos of restored old British diesel locomotives on this line. The top photo is at Bangor, and if you go down you will see more at this station, and at others, and even a train going through the Penmaenmawr yards. But best of all near the bottom see the train passing the Conway Castle. This picture is worth all the others if European railway stations bore you, I would love to take this train and pass through that bridge!: http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/news/nw0211.htm Britain has more railroading in one little coast of Wales than we have in almost the entire country! [Crewe is a pretty interesting station also on this line, all the pictures on this page are at Crewe. There is one where it is passing this multi arched brick wall that is a great shot; the third picture down which I would crop back on the left to remove the ugly modern addition part, 3 shots down is a better location: http://www.rail37.freeserve.co.uk/NWC_May.html ] Here is the Victorian Bangor Pier: http://www.rainbowcourt.co.uk/otbt/Bangor_Pier1.jpg Bangor, Wales: http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/s1773-28.jpg http://www.2d53.co.uk/bangor/s1838.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #951 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00f801c46fa9$70f6dfc0$8127f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:04:56 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Michigan (for sale) (Pere Marq,/C&O) This page tells everything about the Pere Marquette RR station here. Pictured are the 1929 station- one that shared the station with a train toy manufacturing company until 1991- and is now deteriorating (#1 most threatened railroad station in 1998); the cheesy open air bus shelter that Amtrak uses since the toy guys (Kalamazoo Toy Train Works) closed; a photo from the original wooden depot with horses and an early car waiting by a train: http://user.mc.net/~louisvw/depot/bang/bang.htm On this official page we see the current state of this 1926 depot but also the history (bought by the city from CSX Railroad 2001) of the railroad here.: http://uk.geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html This is from the city's official page. The Adobe Acrobat file of the history of the Elevator is also interesting as other the other histories at the top.: http://ci.bangor.mi.us/default.htm The Elevator: http://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_3.htm http://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_15.htm For sale the Pere Marquette depot is for sale and here is the real estate prospectus with many pictures of all angles inside and out even a floor plan. I hope they make it a provision it doesn't get demolished: http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/railroad_depot.htm Pictures such as the extant scale in the Scale Room: http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/imges/Depot%20Scale%20Room%20Scale.jpg And you will see that even the old Amtrak waiting room was an add on to the original station. Another page on the Bangor, Mich. station: http://probe.prohosting.com/showframe/PBE00000002/1 It may work.. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #952 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00e101c470e8$4bcce7e0$32d52644_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:07:27 -0400 From: "Bernie Wagenblast" Subject: (rshsdepot) Havelock, NC From the New Bern (NC) Sun Journal Havelock train depot on track Tom Boné Freedom ENC HAVELOCK -- The old train station on the corner of Lake Road and Miller Boulevard shows the ravages of time, and many have wondered when the relic would be torn down. The Havelock Historical Preservation Society has an answer, but instead of demolishing the building, members plan to move it a few hundred yards down the street. Preservation society chairman Susie Bare says years of grant seeking, negotiations with railroad and department of transportation officials and coordinating will soon result in the expansion of the organization's efforts to move the train station behind the refurbished Trader Store nearby. "We've got the area ready, and we're now seeking bids," Bare said during a tour of the old building last week. Dust is everywhere, thanks to holes in the walls, but inside she points to old desks that will be reconditioned and a wooden floor that will once again bear the weight of visitors. "This place is a tremendous part of Havelock's history," said Bare as she and society board member Emma Davis sifted through the debris. "You talk to anybody that was here back in the old days and they have hundreds of stories about the station and the old store. We're going to share some of those stories next week." She's talking about the ice cream social at the Trader Store Tuesday night, featuring a visit from Havelock's official historian Eddie Ellis. Ellis has held that title since Feb. 27, 1984, when the city made a proclamation and donated a file cabinet. "I'm happy to report I still have it," Ellis said. The file cabinet is stuffed with his research, which really began at the old Havelock Public Library on Miller Boulevard when he was 13 years old. "When I was a kid, there was a paragraph in the phone book that said the city was named after Sir Henry Havelock," recalls Ellis. "I went to the library and asked if they had any books on him and they didn't. All they had was a brief write-up in an encyclopedia." His curiosity wouldn't let him give up and he began a search that has led him as far as the National Archives in Washington. "That proclamation from the city has opened many doors," he confides. "You'd be surprised at how many cities much larger than this don't even have a historian." Ellis will share the history of what was once called Havelock Station, and he'll help straighten out some of the confusion over the age of the building the society plans to move. "It's really the third structure," he said. "The first was destroyed during the Civil War." His 20-minute presentation will be followed by questions and answers. He'll also take a moment to praise the Havelock Historical Preservation Society. "The society has done a tremendous job in restoring the old Trader Store and this next project with the train station will be another great step in preserving the history of the area," he said. Bare says that step will probably cost about $10,000. The structure will be moved in one day, she said. "We're hoping for sometime next year," she said. "The roof will have to come off because it would cost a fortune to move power lines, and it needs a new roof anyways." Once moved to the spot behind the Trader Store, the depot will be reconditioned and serve as a combination meeting hall and tourist attraction, filled with mementos. Bare says the society is seeking one more item that will help add to the flavor of the display. "We're hoping to get a railroad caboose parked out in front of it," she said. "But, right now, it's one project at a time." For more information on the society, call 447-5043. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00e701c470ea$3d823c60$32d52644_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:21:22 -0400 From: "Bernie Wagenblast" Subject: (rshsdepot) FRA Catalog of "Common Use" Rail Corridor While not dealing specifically with rail stations some folks on the list may find the following of interest. It's a report from the Federal Railroad Administration that lists all transit lines in the US which share corridors with heavy rail lines. The report, from February 2003, includes maps, photos and some historical information. Adobe Acrobat is needed to view the document. Bernie Wagenblast http://spider.apta.com/lgwf/fra_documents/fra_shared_use_catalog.pdf ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a001c4714d$3a490160$952ef7a5_@_paul> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:09:46 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor-on-Dee, Wales (Wrexham Ry.); Elan Valley Railway station, Wales Steam navvy cutting the Ellesmere - Wrexham Railway, at Bangor-on-Dee, c. 1890: http://www.gtj.org.uk/storage/Components/362/36268_2.JPG To make this message worthwhile, here is a Welsh station/tower. Elan Valley railway junction, c. 1900: http://www.gtj.org.uk/storage/Components/455/45534_2.JPG Nice little engine in front too. Here we see the last goods train (freight train) to use the Llangynog-Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant branch line, July 2, 1952: http://www.gtj.org.uk/storage/Components/418/41860_2.JPG Bangor-on-Dee is called Bangor-is-Y-Coed in Welsh, town by the hill. Could this be a station?: http://www.frasercottage.com/station020303.jpg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #953 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: References: <200407220934.i6M9Y01n038143_@_net.bluemoon.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:51:35 -0400 From: "Arthur Peterson" Subject: (rshsdepot) Re: RSHSDepot Digest V1 #952 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C4721C.354C7370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good news and bad news. The station has been purchased and will serve as = an Amtrak stop and offices. Unfortunately, it is being modified with = significant changes to its appearance. We saw it in late June. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RSHSDepot Digest=20 To: = rshsdepot-digest_@_lists.Railfan.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:34 AM Subject: RSHSDepot Digest V1 #952 RSHSDepot Digest Thursday, July 22 2004 Volume 01 : = Number 952 Subjects: (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Michigan (for sale) = (Pere Marq,/C&O) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: = <00f801c46fa9$70f6dfc0$8127f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:04:56 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" = > Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Michigan (for = sale) (Pere Marq,/C&O) This page tells everything about the Pere Marquette RR station here. = Pictured are the 1929 station- one that shared the station with a train = toy manufacturing company until 1991- and is now deteriorating (#1 most = threatened railroad station in 1998); the cheesy open air bus shelter = that Amtrak uses since the toy guys (Kalamazoo Toy Train Works) closed; = a photo from the original wooden depot with horses and an early car = waiting by a train: = http://user.mc.net/~louisvw/depot/bang/bang.htm On this official page we see the current state of this 1926 depot but = also the history (bought by the city from CSX Railroad 2001) of the = railroad here.: = http://uk.geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html This is from the city's official page. The Adobe Acrobat file of the = history of the Elevator is also interesting as other the other histories = at the top.: = http://ci.bangor.mi.us/default.htm The Elevator: = http://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_3.htm = http://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_15.htm For sale the Pere Marquette depot is for sale and here is the real = estate prospectus with many pictures of all angles inside and out even a = floor plan. I hope they make it a provision it doesn't get demolished: = http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/railroad_depot.htm Pictures such as the extant scale in the Scale Room: = http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/imges/Depot%20Scale%20Room= %20Scale.jpg And you will see that even the old Amtrak waiting room was an add on = to the original station. Another page on the Bangor, Mich. station: = http://probe.prohosting.com/showframe/PBE00000002/1 It may work.. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of = existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #952 ******************************* = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of = existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C4721C.354C7370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good news and bad news. The station has been purchased and will = serve as an=20 Amtrak stop and offices. Unfortunately, it is being modified with = significant=20 changes to its appearance. We saw it in late June.
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RSHSDepot = Digest       =20 Thursday, July 22 2004        = Volume 01 :=20 Number 952


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Subject:=20 (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Michigan (for = sale)  (Pere=20 Marq,/C&O)

This page tells everything about the Pere = Marquette RR=20 station here. Pictured are the 1929 station- one that shared the = station with=20 a train toy manufacturing company until 1991- and is now deteriorating = (#1=20 most threatened railroad station in 1998); the cheesy open air bus = shelter=20 that Amtrak uses since the toy guys (Kalamazoo Toy Train Works) = closed; a=20 photo from the original wooden depot with horses and an early car = waiting by a=20 train: http://user.mc.n= et/~louisvw/depot/bang/bang.htm

On=20 this official page we see the current state of this 1926 depot but = also the=20 history (bought by the city from CSX Railroad 2001) of the railroad = here.: http://uk.= geocities.com/carolyn_carr2003/history.html
This=20 is from the city's official page. The Adobe Acrobat file of the = history of the=20 Elevator is also interesting as other the other histories at the top.: = http://ci.bangor.mi.us/defaul= t.htm
The=20 Elevator: h= ttp://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_3.htm
= http://www.bangormihistory.com/Bangor%20Artwork/new_page_15.htm
For=20 sale the Pere Marquette depot is for sale and here is the real estate=20 prospectus with many pictures of all angles inside and out even a = floor plan.=20 I hope they make it a provision it doesn't get demolished: http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/railroad_depot.htmPictures=20 such as the extant scale in the Scale Room: http://ci.bangor.mi.us/Community/Announcements/imge= s/Depot%20Scale%20Room%20Scale.jpg
And=20 you will see that even the old Amtrak waiting room was an add on to = the=20 original station.

Another page on the Bangor, Mich. station: http://probe= prohosting.com/showframe/PBE00000002/1 =20 It may = work..




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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C4721C.354C7370-- ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a601c472e5$fcf4dec0$8328f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:55:54 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Penn. (DLW, LNE) Delaware, Lackawanna & Western RR Lehigh and New England Railroad Bangor Slate must have been a good customer: http://www2.cr.nps.gov/tps/roofingexhibit/slate3a.jpg It is still an industry in Northampton County: http://www.capco.ie/roofing/penrhyn.htm Aerial trams were used to transport the slate around the mines: http://www.gingerb.com/Slate%20Pits%20View%201.jpg Slate pits: http://www.gingerb.com/Slate%20Pits%20View%203.jpg South of the Pen Argyl area is rich in slate. The two photos above are recent photos from South Pen Argyl slate mine. DL&W 1912 Freight depot: http://www.west2k.com/papix/bangordlwfreight.jpg L&NE 1909 freight depot: http://www.west2k.com/papix/bangorlnefreight.jpg There are no rails in Bangor anymore. The State Belt Street Railway of Bangor, Penn.: http://206.103.49.193/odds/pa/jpg/bsb01.jpg http://www.clintonhollins.com/img/71090.jpg Bangor, Pa. is the Antique Gateway of Northeastern Pennsylvania. The DL&W's Bangor & Portland railway paralleled the L&NE's line between Bath and Nazareth. The former Town Hall in Bangor is interesting: http://www.slatebeltheritage.com/ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #954 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:57:44 +0000 From: "Don Dorflinger" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Bangor railroad stations. Bangor, Penn. (DLW, LNE) >From: "Paul Luchter" >Reply-To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net (Delaware, Lackawanna & Western RR/Lehigh and New England Railroad) "There are no rails in Bangor anymore." Not quite true! The former Bangor & Portland RR (Delaware Lackawanna & Western) Main Track still passes through Bangor, providing Norfolk Southern a vital link from Allentown Yard (via Easton and the former PRR Bel-Del at Martins Creek) to the Reliant Energy Generating Station in Portland, where unit coal trains run as required, and interchange traffic for the Delaware Lackawanna RR which is delivered at Slateford Jct. Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday. It is true that the B&P/DL&W yard at Bangor is gone (so the freight station is "trackless"), and, of course, the L&NE has been long gone, so their facilities and interchange tracks with the B&P are only a memory. The remaining B&P (trackage from Martins Creek Jct. to Penn Dixie in Nazareth) was removed years ago, with the exception of a small piece south of Belfast Jct. in Stockertown which is accessed via a connection from the former L&NE trackage to service a local industry. The abandoned roadbed between Stockertown and Ackermanville is now a preserved hiking trail. The DL&W freight station at Pen Argyl still stands, but the rails are, of course, long gone. Pen Argyl also boasts a highly modified L&NE Depot (now the home of Slate Belt Printers), and the remaining buildings at the L&NE complex (shop building, roundhouse and turntable). Don Dorflinger ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000901c47363$46066fc0$3532f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:52:43 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) North Bangor, N.Y. (Rutland) Bangor, N.Y. doesn't seem to have had a railroad. North Bangor does, the Rutland RR, later BAR...just west of Malone which also had the N-S NY Central. This is way up north towards Ogdensburg.. Here is a map showing where the station on the abandoned Rutland railroad Northern Division is: http://www.acme.com/mapper/mapper.cgi?lat=44.850459&long=-74.40071&scale=12&theme=Topo&width=4&height=2&dot=Yes It is Dwyer's Home Improvement Center now. But it is not on the Existing Stations list so maybe this bicyclist is wrong? I can't find a picture of Dwyer's Home Improvement on the web. All I could find was their address and phone number. I thought of calling and asking for a picture....I got this information from the following site; you can bicycle the western portion of the Rutland Road Northern Division: http://russnelson.com/rutland.html Bangor, New York in 2,000 had a population of 2,147; it is in Franklin County. Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001101c47365$25cd01e0$3532f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:06:09 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Saskatchewan (CN) On a roadmap, look at northwest corner: http://www.becquet.com/director/maps/Bangor.htm Canadian National Railroad, but I have found nothing at all about a depot.... [sorry] ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002101c47365$93686500$3532f7a5_@_paul> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:09:12 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor railway stations. Bangor, Northern Ireland Bangor (in Maigh Eo region, County Down), Northern Ireland The Belfast and County Down Railway. The following page is not model railroad photos, they are elsewhere. Pictured are the new Bangor station, the old one as well, and in the demolition pictures of the latter, we see the original old high arched windows that were covered with ugly outside "modernizations" once: http://www.firstbangormrc.btinternet.co.uk/page4.html The new station (Northern Ireland Railway) is nice, very interesting. Better than what the older station looked like (though it could have been restored perhaps), though the old platform sheds were pretty nice and they knocked them down. And get that squashed looking locomotive "Slieve Gullion" near bottom of this picture page! Page 2 has old B&W photos, no station shots. In case you don't find this page, here is the backside under construction of the new station: http://www.firstbangormrc.btinternet.co.uk/rl4.jpg The Belfast & County Down Ry. opened 1850. The Belfast, Holywood and Bangor Railway opened 15 years after the BCDR , in 1865, and bought the older line. The BCDR eventually owned it all. At the following site is a 1930 photo of the BHBR Belfast station, and also a postcard of the original BCDR depot in Belfast. A nice map too, and a great shed photo, of Belfast. And another of the new station: http://dundonaldrail.users.btopenworld.com/bcdr.htm ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #955 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:46:30 EDT From: Mrhorn55_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) North Bangor, N.Y. (Rutland) Paul The Rutland crossed the NYC branch that went to Montreal, Canada and Utica, NY (Some of this trackage is still in use by the Adirondack Scenic Railroad and the Mohawk Adirondack & Northern RR.) on the east side of Malone, NY (Malone Junction). When I was up there two years ago the station was still standing and was used as a real estate office (I think.) It was in the SW quadrant of the surface RR crossing. Bangor (North Bangor) is about 8-10 miles west of Malone, NY I don't know about the rails to trail information though. The Rutland also crossed the NYC branch that went from Helena, NY to Tupper Lake, NY at Moria, NY. This branch has been out of service for over fifty years, probably much longer to the best of my knowledge. The Rutland also crossed the NYC branch that went from Massena, NY to Watertown, NY at Norwood, NY. The tracks are still in use from Norwood to Ogdensburg owned by the Ogdensburg Port and Bridge Authority and operated by the Saint Lawrence and Raquette River RR (Don't know if this the latest operating company. They change often up there.) I went to college in Potsdam, NY during the fifty's and traveled much of this territory chasing trains and abandoned ROW. SPV's Railroad Atlas, Northeast Volume shows these RRs in very good detail. Dick Horn ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00c801c47476$a6b72580$3c1af7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:43:57 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor , Hungary (Budapest and Gyoma instead) Bangor, Pest Megye, Hungary A map: http://www.calle.com/world/HU/16/Bangor.html Záhony railway junction is the biggest "land-port" in Eastern Europe. It has a very important role in developing the East-West economic relations with the independent states established from the former Soviet Union. : Záhony: http://www.hiszi-map.hu/varos/zahony.jpg http://natloz.znet.hu/Magyarorszag/szabolcs/zahony.jpg This may be the railroad that goes through Bangor. I can't find a depot picture, so I will show Budapest stations...The word for railroad station is "pályaudvar Budapest Keleti station (Central Station originally; now Eastern Railway Station) (1884): http://autobusz.budapest.hu/Repro/keleti_bukfenc.jpg http://photos2.worldisround.com/photos/0/287/61.jpg http://www.budapestinfo.hu/images/gallery/n5761b.jpg http://villamos.budapest.hu/bhev/jarmuvek/mvii-pxiii/m72.jpg http://www.yak.net/random/images/keleti_palyaudvar.jpg http://www.sztaki.hu/providers/metro4/vonal/pictures/keleti1.jpg http://shiroperu.hp.infoseek.co.jp/gazou%20euro/hungary/keleti%20palyaudvar. jpg aerial shot: http://villamos.budapest.hu/ikarusz/Keleti_nap_267.jpg Inside: http://photoart.szm.com/Palyaudvar(keleti).jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Keleti_pu_hall_in.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Keleti_hall_inside.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/BpKeleti.jpg http://www.geoplan.hu/keleti_2.GIF http://www.geoplan.hu/keleti_1.GIF http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/bpkeleti2104.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/20040403_010_Budapest_K eleti.jpg A Metro map: http://www.sztaki.hu/providers/metro4/vonal/pictures/m4vonaluj.gif Budapest Nyugati station: http://www.idg.hu/expo/varosliget/milkonyv/kepek/ezer012.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Nyugati-b-mt.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Nyugati.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trams/Budapest/Ganz/BKV_doubleGANZ_Nyuga ti.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/bcs_031103_1.jpg inside: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Nyugati_pu_inside.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Budapest_Nyugati_Statio n.jpg aerials: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Nyugati_aerial_view_5.j pg details: http://owhc-ceer.fph.hu/kiall/tukor/images/t10/nagy/Kep3.jpg http://www.postaladaja.hu/patina/ref/nagy13.jpg Budapest Déli station: 1938: http://www.hampage.hu/kozlekedes/regi1/Deli1938.jpg Quite different now: http://autobusz.budapest.hu/Repro/deli_1075_uv_620_fau.jpg http://www.e-pressz.hu/Budapest%20kepek/Deli%20pu%202003%20jul%2015_2.JPG 2003 : http://www.e-pressz.hu/Budapest%20kepek/Deli%20pu%202003%20jul%2015_1.JPG Budapest Angyalföld: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/102-0234_IMG.jpg http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/station/Budapest/Angyalfold.jpg Budapest Metro stations "Pillangó utca" 2001: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/metro/Budapest-metro-300train.jpg Astoria: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/metro/Metro_Astoria.jpg A map showing the three rail haeds/stations: http://www.andel3w.dk/budapest/images/budapest-metro.jpg 1938 Budapest photo of a streetcar across the Danube from Parliament: http://www.hampage.hu/kozlekedes/regi1/dunapart1938.jpg Here is the text, so far I have only found a translator for this that is one word at a time: I can't figure out a telérol, this spot must be called Vigado....no, [Vigado brings up buildings like this one: http://clmc.topnet.ro/anziksz/vigado.jpg and the Hotel Vigoda in Mezokovesd: http://epromo.superhost.pl/~he/images/wegry/Mezokovesd/Vigado0.jpg but it is a square in Budapest: http://www.thebluesquare.org/missives/Budapest/Images/Vigado.jpg (after a flood)] The pictures on this page are great, though none more are stations: http://www.hampage.hu/kozlekedes/regi1/ Gyoma station: http://www.mek.iif.hu/kiallit/lonyai/Index_elemei/Lonyay_cd_frameset/Navbar/ Framesetek/Reszlet%20oldal/Labjegyzetek/Gyoma/Gyoma02.jpg Not in Budapest, but it is cute Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #956 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003401c474fb$f46e5020$fa25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:38:07 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Iowa (Marshall County) on the Iowa River. Northeast of Des Moines; Marshalltown is the biggest city in this county. Bangor is in Northwest portion of this county. You can see it on this 1875 map: http://www.davidrumsey.com/BrowserInsight/BrowserInsight;jsessionid=ED63C9C664DF692BB5429FBBA24D57AA?cmd=image-retrieve&cid=1&image=lppt%3E%2B%2Bsss*%60erm%60vqiwa%7D*gki%2Bvqiwa%7D%2BWm%7Ea0%2B%404436%2B44360551*ntc&resolution=4&username=public If that doesn't work, go here and click on the Marshall County map: http://www.davidrumsey.com/maps720115-22240.html This way it is even interactive. On this map it is west of Liscomb on the North-South stretch of the Central RR of Iowa, next south station was Albion. The post office was Stanford NE of Bangor town. The Chicago & North Western ran East-West south of Bangor a bit. La Moille. The Mapquest modern map doesn't show railroads. Bangor probably never had a railroad through it. Three Albion depot pictures here: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/depalbion.html Liscomb, Iowa depot is here: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/depliscomb.html C&NW bridge at Sioux City: http://www.claras.com/railroad/ia/SCI_CNWbridge1914.jpg I found a picture of La Moille, Illinois Burlington Depot: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/bureau/postcards/burdep.jpg Marshalltown, Iowa: Iowa Central: http://eldora.net/lyndon/hookni.gif http://ericjackson.com/catalog/checkimages/005309.gif The Minneapolis, St. Louis RR: http://eldora.net/lyndon/mstllogo.gif The M& St.L depot 1966: http://eldora.net/lyndon/depots/marshalltownjimsands2.jpg 1983: http://eldora.net/lyndon/mtowndepot.bmp Depot destroyed by fire 2001 before the UP was going to destroy it.: http://eldora.net/lyndon/mtowndepot.bmp See more on this page: http://eldora.net/lyndon/marshalltown.html ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003c01c4750b$d543d8e0$fa25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:31:49 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bangor, Alabama (LN) Bangor, Ala., (Blount County) 1895 map of Blount County: http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/AL/County/blount.htm So far I have fund no Bangor, Alabama depot pictures....North a bit is Cullman Here is the Cullman depot: http://www.cullmanchamber.org/images/depot%5B1%5D.jpg It serves as the United Way of Cullman County offices. http://www.cullmanchamber.org/pictures/depot-copy.jpg http://www.cullmancity.org/images/1%20Depot%203.jpg http://www.cullmancity.org/images/1%20Depot.jpg Attalla is east of Bangor, on a different rail line out of Birmingham (NC&StL?) Here is the Attalla depot: http://community.webshots.com/s/image2/5/75/99/45957599DbiBMx_fs.jpg This picture is so big it is fuzzy, here is the small version: http://community.webshots.com/s/image2/5/75/99/45957599DbiBMx_ph.jpg Gadsen, Alabama is just east of Attilla, sort of a twin city. I think Southern and L&N go through here, or did. Gadsen Union Station, 1915: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nepaphotos/november/1910/1915%20Gadsden%20Alabama%20Union%20RR%20Depot.jpg The TAG Route (Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia) went from Chattanooga to Gadsen. Here is the TAG depot: http://www.trainweb.org/tagrailway/buildings/gadsden.jpg [The Kensington, Georgia TAG depot is too good to not out it here: http://www.trainweb.org/tagrailway/buildings/kensington.jpg ] Here is the paddle wheeler City of Gadsen supposedly at Gadsen, maybe this is on the Coosa River, I don't know, but it is a nice picture: http://community.webshots.com/s/image5/2/19/64/68221964WeAoLL_fs.jpg Jasper is west of Bangor in Alabama on the Southern RR. There seem more Jaspers than Bangors, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, in Canada (B.C.)...but I will spare you all these just now, though they are nice. No Jasper, Ala. found though. This is the Alabama Great Southern Depot in Bessemer (in the Birmingham District) is a railroad museum: http://www.bhamrails.info/_derived/bess_hall_hist.htm_txt_Bess_depot_12_03.gif The museum page: http://www.bhamrails.info/bess_hall_hist.htm Bangor, Alabama is north of Birmingham. Union Passenger Terminal, The old one, I think I sent this picture a few weeks ago: http://pdxhistory.com.tripod.com/traindepots/birmingham.jpg or one like it. Birmingham late 1950s: http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/choochoo/girr012a.jpg The old is in foreground, the new in back. http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/choochoo/rrtb085.jpg 1953: http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/choochoo/mayorsannualrep53.jpg 1954: http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/choochoo/rrtb029.jpg The Southern Railroad Terminal, Birmingham, demolished 1956: http://nutrias.org/~nopl/exhibits/choochoo/rrtb145.jpg [The 1890 GTW Birmingham, Michigan depot is too good to pass by: http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Stations/CountyStations/OaklandStations/BirminghamMI.htm ] Too many Birmingham England to find anymore tonight. I presume there were other depots and stations earlier. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00bd01c47530$c46eeb20$fa25f7a5_@_paul> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:56:14 -0400 From: "Paul Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Budapest correction That's not a streetcar across from the Parliament. It's across from the Royal Palace -- up on Buda hill. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #957 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:38:02 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) DEATH OF STEVE DELIBERT The following message was posted by Dick Makse to the U&D email list. Steve Delibert was also a member of the Railroad Station Historical Society and a valued contributor to this list. Steve will be missed "I'm so sad to tell you that our good dear friend and President of the Ulster & Delaware RR Historical Society, Steve Delibert, died today at 6:30 AM. Steve had been diagnosed with lung cancer around the time of the Society's Andes Trip in April and had fought to conquer the disease.His sterling performance on our July 10 trip is what Steve was all about. It's only hours later and I miss him so much. I knew Steve since we were both young railroaders at the LIRR in 1967 and I loved and respected him. I will so terribly miss him. We wrote each other emails almost every night for the last six years and I so enjoyed his friendship, wit and intelligence. He so loved the railroads of the Catskills and the Mountains themselves. We and the Mountains have lost a true friend. Steve wanted to be buried in his beloved Catkills. Join us in Margarettville (the virtual center of Steve's Delaware County world and the center of the railroads we all loved) on Saturday, July 31 at 1 PM at Hynes Funeral Home, 48 Walnut Street, Margaretville. (a brief ceremony will take place at that time; you may pay respects as early as 10 AM). Steve's final resting place will be at the Bedell Cemetery in Fleiischmanns on Little Red Kill Road immediately following the funeral ceremony. Should you have any questions, call me (201) 493- 0230 or Tom Hynes, the funeral director, at (845)586-3475. If you can't make it, say a prayer for a wonderful guy." Dick Makse ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20040730024857.JMOD1721.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net_@_mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:48:57 -0400 From: Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) DEATH OF STEVE DELIBERT > From: jdent1_@_optonline.net > Date: 2004/07/29 Thu AM 10:38:02 EDT > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net, rshsdepot@lists.railfan.net > Subject: (rshsdepot) DEATH OF STEVE DELIBERT > > The following message was posted by Dick Makse to the U&D email list. Steve Delibert was also a member of the Railroad Station Historical Society and a valued contributor to this list. Steve will be missed >>>Dick and friends: I am SO very saddened by this terrible news. Steve was always a voice of thoughtfulness and reason and, indeed, his death is and will be a great loss to the railroad buff community. Please extend my and our condolences to the family. Seth ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #958 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <12d00412afbc.12afbc12d004_@_optonline.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:26:18 -0400 From: jdent1_@_optonline.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Penn Station, NY From NY Newsday=2E=2E=2E House bill rescinds money for Moynihan Station project By DEVLIN BARRETT Associated Press Writer July 29=2C 2004=2C 3=3A29 PM EDT WASHINGTON -- A House committee has quietly stripped away =2440 million i= ntended to pay for moving Pennsylvania Station=27s train service into the= historic James A=2E Farley post office building=2C allotting the money i= nstead to the East Side Access project=2E = The federal funding=2C which has sat unused for several years while offic= ials worked to build up a train station in the historic Farley building a= cross Eighth Avenue=2C was originally obtained by the late Democratic Sen= =2E Daniel Patrick Moynihan=2E = Moynihan worked for years to create a huge rail hub inside a more archite= cturally impressive building than the basement under Madison Square Garde= n=2C where Penn Station is now located=2E = Just before leaving Washington last week=2C the House Appropriations Comm= ittee approved an annual budget that rescinds =2440 million set aside by = Moynihan in 2000 to pay for moving Amtrak and other rail lines into the F= arley building=2E = The money instead would go to building a rail link connecting the Long Is= land Rail Road to Grand Central Terminal=2C a plan usually referred to as= East Side Access=2E = Moynihan=27s daughter=2C Maura Moynihan=2C said she was angry about the p= lanned switch=2E = =22As my father said=2C this project is a big fat white porpoise in a sea= of sharks=2C=22 she said=2E = Her father =22spent over a decade fighting for this day in and day out=2C= and to see it neglected and squandered means the people of New York are = being cheated=2C=22 she said=2E = The Moynihan Station project has also encountered resistance from Amtrak=2C= the nation=27s financially precarious passenger rail service=2E = Amtrak owns its site at Penn Station=2C but would be expected to pay mill= ions of dollars a year in rent at the Farley building=2E = The Empire State Development Corporation insisted Thursday the project is= moving forward=2C having just initiated the bidding process for work at = the Farley building=2C with or without Amtrak=27s support=2E = =22The Moynihan project is going forward=2C and it has the support of the= (Metropolitan Transportation Authority) and New Jersey Transit=2C=22 sai= d ESDC spokeswoman Deborah Wetzel=2E = =22We feel it=27s an important project to New York in terms of jobs and t= he economy of the region=2C=22 she said=2E = It was not clear Thursday who in the House was responsible for redirectin= g the funds from Penn Station to Grand Central Terminal=2E = The bill still awaits a full House vote=2C and conference negotiations be= tween the House and Senate=2C giving New York officials time to lobby on = behalf of the Moynihan project=2E = A deal for the state to buy the post office and convert it into a transit= hub was announced in October 2002=2E At the time=2C officials said the P= ort Authority of New York and New Jersey had committed =24145 million to = buy the building=2C and that the rest of the money needed for the project= would come from state bonds=2C Amtrak=2C the Metropolitan Transportation= Authority and private sources=2E = Tony Bullock=2C a former chief of staff to the senator=2C said removing e= ven relatively small amounts of money from the project is dangerous=2E = =22Money for this project is a quilt=2C and if you take away one piece of= it=2C then nothing can happen=2C=22 Bullock said=2E = Copyright =A9 2004=2C The Associated Press = ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20040730024857.JMOD1721.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net_@_mail.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:59:09 -0400 From: "Jim Guthrie" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) DEATH OF STEVE DELIBERT Indeed. Steve was a neighbor in Lynbrook years ago -- he was in the same class in elementary school with my sister. I'm saddened that we never got the chance to review my home movies of his kindergarten Halloween party. Jim Guthrie > >>>Dick and friends: > I am SO very saddened by this terrible news. Steve was always a > voice of thoughtfulness and reason and, indeed, his death is and > will be a great loss to the railroad buff community. Please > extend my and our condolences to the family. > Seth ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #959 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org