From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <029a01c26873$70fcd220$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:20:54 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Sacramento, CA Railyard deal on a fast track Sacramento is to get UP's historic depot and 10 acres near it. Sacramento Bee...09/29/2002 Tony Bizjak Bee Staff Writer In what officials are calling a breakthrough agreement, the city of Sacramento plans to acquire the historic I Street train depot and 10 surrounding acres from Union Pacific. The value of the depot and land still is being determined, and terms of the deal have yet to be negotiated. But city and railroad officials said last week they have a conceptual agreement and are committed to making the deal. The deal is part of a package of commitments between the two that, taken together, should launch the city on the road toward constructing a major rail transportation hub downtown within the next several years. The agreements, based on several months of talks, also should put UP on a fast track for city permits and approvals to build offices, stores and housing on the southern end of its 240-acre railyard. City officials say the depot would serve as a locus for an expanded transportation hub for Amtrak passenger trains, regional commuter rail lines, a light-rail line from downtown to the airport and bus services. "Our goal would be to have an intermodal station in operation within the next three years," said Deputy City Manager Tom Lee, who has been negotiating with UP in recent months. Lee said staff will provide details on the array of agreements between the city and the railroad company to the City Council on Tuesday night. He then will ask for the go-ahead to negotiate a formal deal. "It's ambitious," Lee said of the speeded-up time frame. "But rail ridership is increasing, and we need to make sure we accommodate that growth." Although Lee predicted an intermodal station could be built in three years, Mayor Heather Fargo, a longtime advocate for such a facility, said she thinks three years is overly optimistic but that she is pleased with the move forward. "This is huge," she said. "This (will be) a very exciting Tuesday." Lee said staff will ask the council for a series of other OKs, including soliciting a consultant to help in the contentious public process of designing the intermodal facility and convening an intermodal advisory committee made up of members of Regional Transit, the Sacramento Transportation Authority, the Sacramento Area Council of Governments, the Regional Commuter Rail Initiative, the city and the county. City officials said discussions of a downtown basketball arena have taken a back seat in recent weeks as they focused on the intermodal station. But staff also plan to ask the council Tuesday for approval to hold more talks with UP and the Sacramento Kings about a possible second, more-detailed arena feasibility study. A previous study indicated an arena is feasible, but costly, and likely would involve substantial public money. A detailed council discussion on a second arena study is scheduled tentatively for November. Meantime, city and UP officials say the transfer of the depot and surrounding land to the city is key because it finally puts planning, financing and construction of a major public facility into public hands. In exchange, Union Pacific official Mike Casey said his company will look for the city to sign a cooperation agreement assuring that it will build the streets around the area and a rail overpass at Sixth Street in a timely manner so UP can begin developing the lower section of its railyard, adjacent to the transportation center. "This makes railyard redevelopment a reality," Casey said. "From UP's point of view, the city and the UP have reached a point we feel we are in full collaboration." Nevertheless, Casey said, his company will not agree to turn over the depot until the city gives UP all the planning approvals it needs to begin development on the surrounding acreage. That process could take two years, he said. Once the city controls the depot, Fargo said, it has a better shot at government grants to do needed remedial work. And once the city comes up with a design for the expansion, "we are ready to go to Washington and get federal funding." City officials said last week that they cannot estimate the cost of an intermodal hub until it is designed. However, a large facility could cost more than $ 100 million, one official estimated. Much of the revenue would be cobbled together from federal, state and local transportation funds, Fargo said. Debate continues over the structure's design. UP and Amtrak want to move the tracks a few hundred feet north of the depot and build a new station there, which would be connected to the historic depot by a concourse. Historic preservationists argue the depot should continue as the main station and the tracks should not be moved, or moved only enough to make room for depot expansion. Preservationist leader Kay Knepprath said she is pleased the city will take the lead on the intermodal station, but said "10 acres is not enough land to do it right." "They are not being courageous enough, not imaginative enough," she said. "This needs to be a true regional center." She said the 10 acres appear to be just enough room for UP to have its way, pushing the tracks north away from the station, with room for a new facility at the north end. UP official Casey said that is exactly what he wants to see happen. He noted that city officials have agreed that would be considered the "preferred alignment" during an upcoming environmental review of the project. A compromise agreement negotiated last year by Fargo also says the review process will analyze track alignments preferred by people who want the old depot to continue to be the central station. Casey said UP is close to choosing a development partner to build on several dozen acres around the planned transportation hub. He said his company is selling the REA building, a historic brick structure in disrepair next to the old depot. The buyers are architect Lynn Pomeroy and developer Johan Otto. City staff are set to propose Tuesday that the council approve subsidizing rehabilitation of the REA building, up to $ 2.6 million. The building probably would house shops, restaurants and offices, which would complement the intermodal station, Lee said. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <244640-220029130183121967_@_M2W058.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:31:21 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Pollocksville, NC From the New Bern Sun Journal=2E=2E=2E Run : 09/29/2002 After years of dreaming,depot renovation begins=20 POLLOCKSVILLE -- Years of dreaming, talking and planning the renovation of= the old Pollocksville Depot finally gave way to reality=2E "We started construction in early August and anticipate being in around th= e first of March," said Mayor Jay Bender=2E "I was at our monthly meeting wi= th contractors and architects and everyone this morning, and we're well on schedule=2E "I think we started in either '94 or '95 acquiring the property and gettin= g the initial grants and making plans, so we're real excited about it=2E" So far, an addition that will house town offices has been roughed in=2E "This will replicate, in terms of size, the old waiting rooms prior to 1939," Bender said=2E In addition to municipal offices, the renovated depot will serve as a civi= c center, with public meeting space, and a museum=2E "The museum will house exhibits that show the importance of the railroad and the importance of the river on the town," Bender said=2E Located on the banks of the Trent River, the depot is the centerpiece of a= recently improved public space that includes a new 48-foot fishing dock=2E= "The dock was a joint effort by the fishing division of the Wildlife Commission, the town and the Rotary Club=2E It runs parallel with the shoreline and it's all handicapped accessible," Bender said=2E The handicapped accessibility has already attracted groups of students fro= m the Howell Center, a residential facility for people with multiple and severe disabilities=2E "We like to go fishing when we find a spot that's good for us," said Angel= a Woehl, lead teacher for Howell's school age program=2E "It's always a challenge to find places that are wheelchair and handicappe= d accessible=2E Pollocksville is so close, we can spend more time fishing an= d less time traveling=2E"=20 Woehl said she has made three trips with small groups of students ranging in age from 9 through adult=2E "We really appreciate how it's designed," she said=2E "It's got high and l= ow rails, which allow people with disabilities to see over the rails and have= access to the fishing=2E It's got wide docks and it's super=2E" Public Works Director J=2EJ=2E Chadwick has made the group feel welcome, a= nd Bender is pleased with their response=2E "They were ecstatic," he said=2E "They said it was right down their alley=2E= We're waiting for the Wildlife Commission to come in and construct sidewalks to connect it to the parking lot, which will make it even easier= for people with movement limitations=2E"=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <57050-22002913020471175_@_M2W047.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:47:11 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Santa Clara, CA From Altamont Press Railroad Newsline=2E=2E=2E Santa Clara Tower Dedication Event On Oct12, the Santa Clara Tower will be dedicated in recognition of its 75th anniversary=2E The event is part of the City of Santa Clara=92s Sesquicentennial celebration=2E Numerous local dignitaries, former railroa= d employees, and tower operators are expected to attend the celebration, where their presence will add to the oral history of the tower complex=2E = The Tower restoration is being done by members of the South Bay Historical Railroad Society=2E The dedication ceremony begins at 11:00 at the Tower site, 1075 Railroad Ave=2E (the north end of the Caltrain station parking lot)=2E Tours of the= Tower will be conducted from 12:00 to 17:00=2E The Depot and Museum will b= e open from 10:00 to 17:00=2E There is no admission charge=2E - Chuck Catani= a Director, SBHRS - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002201c268dd$56a7e4e0$dad7d23f_@_name> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:58:46 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Santa Clara, CA NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-09-30-02 =_iso-8859-1_Q_College_Park_Tower_SP_San_Jos=E9.jpg_= (image/jpeg, 170837 bytes) Similar to this one that was a bit south at College Park in San José? Paul - -----Original Message----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Santa Clara, CA From Altamont Press Railroad Newsline... Santa Clara Tower Dedication Event On Oct12, the Santa Clara Tower will be dedicated in recognition of its 75th anniversary. The event is part of the City of Santa Clara’s Sesquicentennial celebration. Numerous local dignitaries, former railroad employees, and tower operators are expected to attend the celebration, where their presence will add to the oral history of the tower complex. The Tower restoration is being done by members of the South Bay Historical Railroad Society. The dedication ceremony begins at 11:00 at the Tower site, 1075 Railroad Ave. (the north end of the Caltrain station parking lot). Tours of the Tower will be conducted from 12:00 to 17:00. The Depot and Museum will be open from 10:00 to 17:00. There is no admission charge. - Chuck Catania Director, SBHRS - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <011a01c268f8$9c53a220$dad7d23f_@_name> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:12:52 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Fw: Transit Interesting about rescinding the cuts in close election areas, no? Paul - -----Original Message----- From: Floyd Miñana To: Luchter, Paul Date: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:23 AM Subject: Transit >A couple of transit items from "DAILY GRIST:" > >DE-RAILED >The U.S. House Appropriations Committee has voted to deny $1.2 >billion in funding to Amtrak and pushed through a bill that threatens >most, if not all, long-distance train service in the U.S. The >Republican-backed bill would give the rail service $760 million next >year -- about $500 million less than the $1.2 billion proposed by the >Senate and requested by Amtrak to maintain current service levels. >Rep. Harold Rogers (R-Ky.), who chairs the subcommittee on >transportation, said any more money "would reward Amtrak for their >poor management and poor performance." Amtrak said the bill would >devastate the railroad and almost certainly force major service >changes. Notably, the bill's backers voted to strike a provision >that would likely have led to closing six train lines in areas where >Republicans face tight reelection races. > >straight to the source: Washington Post, Michael Barbaro, 27 Sep 2002 > > >do good: Take action to ask your members of Congress to stand up for >Amtrak > > > > >3. >OLD YELLER >In better mass transit news, Yellowstone National Park is in the >early stages of launching a public-transportation plan designed to >cut down on air and noise pollution. Harkening back to its past, the >park has reacquired a small fleet of yellow tour buses that were >phased out of service in the 1950s. The park plans to refurbish the >buses and use them as shuttles between some of Yellowstone's most >popular destinations. Park officials envision a future of multiple >mass-transit options to help reduce the traffic snarls caused by >private vehicles. Environmentalists are giving the thumbs up to the >plan. Jon Catton, a spokesperson for the Greater Yellowstone >Coalition, said, "We're adding several million people to our >country's population each year and we're not making any more >Yellowstones." > >straight to the source: Casper Star-Tribune, Associated Press, Becky >Bohrer, 26 Sep 2002 > > > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005701c26904$df1869e0$2e4dffd1_@_default> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:41:22 -0400 From: "bernie_rudberg" Subject: (rshsdepot) Nasty New Virus Worm NASTY NEW VIRUS WORM This one is real, not a hoax. It is called W32BUGBEAR_@_mm. It was just discovered today ( Monday 30 September) and the antivirus people are working on a fix. It arrives as an E-Mail note with an attachment that has 2 file extensions and ending with, . EXE , .SCR or .PIF. For example it may look like XXXXXX.exe.scr or XXXX.scr.pif. It may even come from somebody you know who has caught the virus/worm. The size of the attachment will be more than 50K bytes. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT ! The first thing it does is disable your antivirus program such as Norton or McAfee. Next it copies itself into your system so that every time you turn on your computer it executes again. It goes into your E-Mail program and finds all the addresses and sends a copy of itself to everybody on your list. Most other programs on your computer will probably work but very slowly. This is a nasty one and so far there is no clean fix for it. If you are unfortunate enough to have this problem there is help available. The Norton Antivirus people at Symantec are probably working overtime tonight to get out the removal and fix information. Their fix will apply if you have Norton Antivirus. If you have a different antivirus program, check the web site of the manufacturer. For further information you can check the Symantec website at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w32.bugbear_@_mm.html Good luck Bernie Rudberg ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20021001045139.15797.qmail_@_web11805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005701c26904$df1869e0$2e4dffd1_@_default> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Art Marsh Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Nasty New Virus Worm The bug has a fix now Visit your favorit flavor of AV protection Art - --- bernie_rudberg wrote: > NASTY NEW VIRUS WORM > > This one is real, not a hoax. > > It is called W32BUGBEAR_@_mm. > It was just discovered today ( Monday 30 September) and the antivirus > people > are working on a fix. > > It arrives as an E-Mail note with an attachment that has 2 file > extensions > and ending with, . EXE , .SCR or .PIF. For example it may look like > XXXXXX.exe.scr or XXXX.scr.pif. It may even come from somebody you > know who > has caught the virus/worm. > The size of the attachment will be more than 50K bytes. > > DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT ! > > The first thing it does is disable your antivirus program such as > Norton or > McAfee. > Next it copies itself into your system so that every time you turn on > your > computer it executes again. It goes into your E-Mail program and > finds all > the addresses and sends a copy of itself to everybody on your list. > > Most other programs on your computer will probably work but very > slowly. > > This is a nasty one and so far there is no clean fix for it. > > If you are unfortunate enough to have this problem there is help > available. > The Norton Antivirus people at Symantec are probably working > overtime > tonight to get out the removal and fix information. Their fix will > apply if > you have Norton Antivirus. If you have a different antivirus > program, check > the web site of the manufacturer. > > For further information you can check the Symantec website at: > > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w32.bugbear_@_mm.html > > Good luck > > Bernie Rudberg > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of > existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ===== Art Marsh Fremont, CA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #481 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c268dd$56a7e4e0$dad7d23f_@_name> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Blue Moon Network Administrator Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Santa Clara, CA I repaired the filename so the image displays now. I don't rightly know why that character set used the odd encoding for the filename, haven't seen that before. Henry On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Paul S. Luchter wrote: > NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. > To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: > > > http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-09-30-02 > > =_iso-8859-1_Q_College_Park_Tower_SP_San_Jos=E9.jpg_= (image/jpeg, 170837 bytes) > > Similar to this one that was a bit south at College Park in San José? > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: jdent1_@_optonline.net > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:51 PM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Santa Clara, CA > > > >From Altamont Press Railroad Newsline... > > Santa Clara Tower Dedication Event > > On Oct12, the Santa Clara Tower will be dedicated in recognition of its > 75th anniversary. The event is part of the City of Santa Clara’s > Sesquicentennial celebration. Numerous local dignitaries, former railroad > employees, and tower operators are expected to attend the celebration, > where their presence will add to the oral history of the tower complex. The > Tower restoration is being done by members of the South Bay Historical > Railroad Society. > > The dedication ceremony begins at 11:00 at the Tower site, 1075 Railroad > Ave. (the north end of the Caltrain station parking lot). Tours of the > Tower will be conducted from 12:00 to 17:00. The Depot and Museum will be > open from 10:00 to 17:00. There is no admission charge. - Chuck Catania > Director, SBHRS > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ========== > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <255470-2200210211418713_@_M2W079.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:01:08 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) No Virus Warnings Just a reminder, please do not post virus warnings to the RSHS Depot list=2E= =20 Do not open any attachments if you don't know the source=2E Do use an regularly updated anti-virus software with your email program=2E Finally, be assurred that attachments of any sort, that may contain a virus, cannot be sent via the RSHS Depot list=2E All emails with attachme= nts sent to the list have the attachments removed=2E Thanks, List Maintainer - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #482 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <157240-220021043191931839_@_M2W062.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:19:31 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Pine River, MN From the Pine River Journal=2E=2E=2E Last days for the Pine River Depot? Wednesday, October 02, 2002 By Christine Lupella, Journal Editor, clupella_@_pineriverjournal=2Ecom City council=92s =91fix up or tear down=92 deadline was Sept=2E 22 The Pine River Depot restoration project may end before it begins, if the Pine River City Council has its way=2E The century-old building was scheduled for demolition nearly two years ago= after years of neglect=2E The depot was abandoned when the railroad left P= ine River during the 1980s=2E The Depot was eventually sold to the Minnesota Department of Transportation (Mn/DOT), since the building sits on the Highway 371 right-of-way=2E Mn/DOT prepared to tear the building down, unt= il area residents protested the action=2E Many of those residents formed the =93Depot Delegation=94--since renamed Heritage Group North--to save the little depot=2E The building qualified f= or listing on the National Register of Historic Places, which put a temporary= hold on its demise=2E The Pine River City Council gave Heritage Group North one year to become a= non-profit organization--which it has done--as well as to raise funds to move the depot across the Paul Bunyan Trail and restore it to usable condition=2E The deadline for fundraising was September 22, 2002--nearly t= wo weeks ago=2E Council members Merril Nelson, Elaine LeFebvre and Doug Miller, and Mayor Bob Fladung talked about the Depot during their September 24 discussion meeting=2E Council member Jim Sabas was absent from the meeting=2E =93I=92m a little concerned about the Depot project=2E They=92re talking a= bout going over there and digging a basement,=94 said Nelson=2E =93I don=92t think they have the money to go through and do what they want= to do,=94 Miller said=2E Fladung said that two months ago, he was told that Heritage Group North ha= d at least $5,000 committed to the project=2E =93But pledged money isn=92t c= ash unless you have it in your hand,=94 Fladung said=2E Fladung told council members that originally, the Depot group hoped to apply for grant money that was avaailable through the state for restoratio= n projects=2E=20 However, the State Historical Society took a =93big hit=94 in budget cuts,= and those grants are no longer available=2E =93The September 22 deadline has passed,=94 Fladung said=2E =93Mn/DOT said= whatever the city directs them to do, they will do=2E=94 Miller said that one year ago, the Depot Delegation was told they had to have the money to restore and sustain the building=2E =93They=92ve had a year,=94 Miller said=2E =93It=92s not a lot of time, bu= t I would think if they had as much interest as they say they do, they should have the money=2E=94 Fladung noted that the state architect who looked at the building estimate= d the restoration cost at $240,000=2E =93At this point, the Depot Delegation has not proven that they could feasibly take care of it,=94 Miller said=2E =93I say we tell Mn/DOT to get= rid of it=2E=94 Fladung said if the Depot is moved to the proposed location across the Pau= l Bunyan Trail, there may be a setback issue=2E He said the people who own t= he adjacent property would probably dispute any variance that would have to b= e made=2E Fladung said the council needs to have a plan by the October 8 meeting=2E =93It=92s really a touchy issue,=94 Fladung said=2E Nelson said that the Pine River Chamber of Commerce supports the restoration project, with the idea that the Depot will draw =93all kinds o= f people=94 to Pine River=2E =93I don=92t see it,=94 Nelson said=2E Fladung said he would support and =93even donate=94 to building a replica = of the Depot that would meet current code and last another 100 years=2E LeFebvre said she was concerned that no one had discussed maintenance of the Depot once it was restored=2E =93I don=92t think taxpayers within the city want this,=94 LeFebvre said=2E= Fladung said he was concerned that the project would cost the city money--although Heritage Group North said it would cover all costs=2E The building would be moved to city property, which would make the city responsible for insurance=2E Fladung noted that most of the people supporting the Depot restoration do not live within city limits or pay city taxes=2E =93It=92s going to cost the people of this city a pile of money,=94 Miller= said=2E =93Most people I=92ve talked to want it gone=2E=94 The Pine River City Council meets at 7 pm Tuesday, October 8 at Pine River= City Hall=2E The Pine River Depot is the city=92s oldest building=2E=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <157240-220021043191711841_@_M2W060.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:17:11 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Marion, Ohio From the Marion (OH) Star=2E=2E=2E MARION -- Much like the railroads it formerly served, the restoration of the Marion Union Station just keeps chugging along=2E=20 Formerly tabbed a showplace and the most modern railroad station in Ohio, the building became a place of disrepair after the end of passenger servic= e in 1972=2E It was boarded up and left to deteriorate, said Gus Judy, a mem= ber of the Marion Union Station Association board=2E=20 With the organization of several members of the community to "Save the Station," the facility was purchased in 1986 for $67,000=2E The purchase w= as made possible by individual donations and the assistance of a local bank, Judy said=2E=20 Since the purchase, the organization has held fund-raisers and applied for= grants to restore the building=2E=20 "We're probably 80 percent complete in the restoration," Judy said=2E=20 To help augment expenses incurred with the ongoing renovations, the association will host its annual fall chicken barbecue 11 a=2Em=2E to 3 p=2E= m=2E Sunday at the station=2E It will be catered by Country Caterers who will barbecue 500 chicken halves=2E=20 The menu is 1/2 barbecue chicken, potato salad, hickory smoked beans and roll=2E The cost is $6=2E Carry outs will be available=2E The event will b= e held rain or shine=2E=20 In addition to the chicken barbecue, Joe Slanser said association members will give tours and demonstrations of the completely refurbished and working model of the old fashioned sempahore signaling system and a pistol= grip machine for changing signals as well as other items of interest in th= e historic building=2E=20 "We have a number of displays that are unique," Slanser said, "and this is= one of them=2E The semaphore is interlocked with another machine to preven= t someone pulling one lever when another was engaged=2E"=20 Previous fund-raising efforts have helped refurbish restrooms, remove old paint, install a new heating and cooling system, refurbish the large passenger waiting room, completely restore the telegraph room and two year= s ago move the AC tower to MUSA property and restore it to its 1960 appearance=2E The most recent project completed was a new tile roof over t= he Model Railroad building using a Community Block Development Grant and association monies to complete the $35,000 project=2E=20 The next big project the association hopes to undertake is the restoration= of a 16-foot-by-16-foot stained glass skylight above the main lobby, said Todd Miller, president of the association=2E=20 Miller said the skylight is about 20 percent intact and could take up to a= year to clean up=2E He estimates the cost to be $25,000 to repair and restore=2E=20 The association rents out the depot and also the model railroad building for meetings, receptions and banquet dinners also as a means to help with restoration expenses=2E=20 Brenda Donegan: 740-375-5150 or bdonegan_@_nncogannett=2Ecom=20 Originally published Thursday, October 3, 2002 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <99610-22002104319293999_@_M2W049.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:29:03 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Grand Central Terminal, New York, NY From Voice of America News=2E=2E=2E You Can Find Almost Anything at Lost and Found of Grand Central Station Adam Phillips New York 3 Oct 2002 06:13 UTC Interior of Grand Central Station =20 Well over a half million people pass through New York City's Grand Central= Station every day, making it one of the busiest train stations in the world=2E Since a relatively high percentage of those people forget somethi= ng on the trains they ride, that makes the Lost and Found department at Grand= Central pretty busy too=2E=20 In a quiet corridor underneath Grand Central Station, Rich Heggman of the Metro North Lost and Found office opens a small leather case a railroad policeman has just delivered to him=2E That camera is just one of between 17,000 and 20,000 lost items that come through the door of this office every year=2E Wallets, books, diamond ring= s, cell phones, knapsacks with and without contraband - whatever people can carry on to a train, they can lose there=2E Office manager Mike Nolan and = his boss Fred Chidester examine a 60 kilogram tub of lost keys=2E NOLAN: "We have thousands of sets of keys," he said=2E "That's something w= e usually don't throw out=2E CHIDESTER: "We do collect keys=2E I'd like to know how some of these peopl= e get replacements because a lot of the cars have microchips, they are like $200, $300 keys to replace and you would think that they would come back and ask for them," he said=2E Mr=2E Nolan motions toward the back of the facility, which is lined with shelves of crates, each carefully labeled according to content, date recovered, and other relevant facts=2E "I'll sh= ow you our coat racks," said Mike Noland=2E "We probably have now have 500, o= r 600 coats=2E Most of them are blue blazers=2E There are Armani, Brooks Brothers, any old brand=2E There is anything from the cheapest coat to the= most expensive here=2E" Some lost items can seem quite creepy to the uninitiated=2E Fred Chidester= recalls dealing with one set of objects contained in dry ice that a plasti= c surgeon on his way to an area hospital had left behind on an overhead luggage rack=2E "Yes=2E It was actually two earlobes and two eyebrows, and= he had them packaged up for this reconstructive surgery and left the box and all on the train," he said=2E When asked why he thinks people forget their possessions on a train, Rick Hegmann says it may simply be because they are tired=2E "They're overworke= d," said Hegman=2E "That's the problem=2E When they tend to lose a lot of thin= gs, then you know they are overworked=2E That may be the cause=2E If they are sleeping and they are dozing off, next thing they know their stop is comin= g up and they are jumping off the train, and whatever is left behind hopefully comes back to our facility=2E It usually takes a day or two, but= it's usually here=2E" A full 60 percent of the objects that are lost on the Metro North railroad= ultimately get connected with an owner's name=2E That success rate reflect= s some real detective work checking such things as credit card slips and serial numbers searching for clues as to an item's owner=2E=20 But Mr=2E Chidester, himself a former police lieutenant, admits that, in s= ome cases, determining a true owner can be quite straightforward=2E This was t= he case recently, when two sets of dentures appeared on his desk=2E "Teeth is= [are] a funny thing," he said=2E "mtch a set of teeth? I don't know how yo= u lose teeth on a train but =85 this fellow came in, and we pick it up with = a pair of latex gloves and bring it over to him=2E He picks this thing out o= f this wrapping paper and looks at it=2E He says 'well they look like mine=2E= I think they're mine=2E' He takes this thing and just plops it into his mout= h and I'm going 'Aw! Where's the mouthwash?'" Occasionally, people leave objects on the train on purpose=2E Fred Chidest= er offers this grisly example=2E "The story goes that the husband used to go home on the train and used to give his wife the excuse that he missed the stop or he fell asleep or he was in the bar car and didn't realize that th= e train had passed his station," said Fred Chidester=2E "So when he passed away, she had him cremated and put in the urn and she left the urn on the train and said 'Well there! Now you can ride on the train with your buddie= s and your girlfriends all you want and enjoy yourself until you find a rest=2E'"=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <114780-220021043193612536_@_M2W041.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:36:12 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) New York City From the NY Times=2E=2E October 1, 2002 After a Century of Dreams, Still Envying the Sardine By RANDY KENNEDY Whatever is said about this project in the years to come, certainly no one= can say that the city acted rashly or without due deliberation=2E" =97 Go= v=2E Nelson A=2E Rockefeller, in 1972, at a groundbreaking ceremony for the Sec= ond Avenue subway, first proposed in 1920 and still unfinished today=2E As you read this, $4=2E5 billion in federal money circles high above New Y= ork City in a holding pattern=2E Anxiously awaiting its landing are public officials and business leaders who have effectively already spent this money three times over, at least in their minds, as they begin anxiously "re-imagining" the transportation landscape in Lower Manhattan=2E Arranged in no particular order of likelihood, there are plans to build a downtown station like Grand Central Terminal, to create a subterranean concourse with stores and cafes and moving sidewalks, to rebuild the South= Street Ferry station, to connect the two Rector Street subway stations, to= rebuild the Fulton Street complex, to submerge West Street into a traffic tunnel, to build new ferry terminals, and, if they can find the room, to bring the Long Island Rail Road and maybe even Metro-North into Lower Manhattan=2E With these plans in mind, and with the unmistakable background music of knives being sharpened, the Tunnel Vision column thought it might be a goo= d time to take a brief tour of the metropolitan region with the Ghost of Transit Plans Past=2E For brevity's sake, the tour will start with ambitious and unrealized transit plans made after 1904, when the subway opened, leaving out earlier= well-meaning pipe dreams, like Alfred E=2E Beach's pneumatic subway, which= would have blown trains under Manhattan like so many state lottery Ping-Pong balls=2E The tour will also exclude most plans in the Buck Rogers and Buckminster Fuller categories, like the short-lived "Aerial Transit" idea of 1955, which would have spent $1=2E5 billion on a vast network of thin elevated rails, along which small, automated, bubble-like, rubber-tired cars would have whisked commuters into and around the city=2E (Think George Jetson in= a gray flannel suit=2E) 1904 Just before he retires, William Barclay Parsons, the chief engineer o= f the first subway, proposes a plan for a grand loop system that would encircle the edges of Manhattan with a subway beltway=2E Crosstown lines, = he said almost casually, could be added as needed and "laid out at any time=2E= " 1906 With the brand-new subway already packed in Manhattan, the city's Rapid Transit Commission considers a 100-mile-an-hour monorail in Brooklyn= =2E "Board Seems Interested," announced a headline in The New York Times=2E "5-Cent Fares to Coney if the Plan Is Tried=2E" It was not=2E 1922 With the Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle almost dangerously overcrowded, a prominent transit official proposes replacing the shuttle with a series of subterranean moving sidewalks from river to river, along 42nd Street=2E One sidewalk would go three miles per hour, another alongsi= de it six miles per hour and a wide one in the middle, with benches, would zoom along at nine=2E Underground stores with "gaily decorated shop window= s" would be built=2E A writer in this newspaper, addressing the beleaguered shuttle riders of his day, asked: "Haven't you honestly envied the sardine his commodious can?" If so, the envy continued because the sidewalks remained above groun= d and stationary=2E 1930 Plans for a Second Avenue subway are moving along apace and one proposal being seriously considered is to build beneath it a "super-express" line that will eventually stretch from Van Cortlandt Park to Coney Island, with stops only every 4=2E7 miles and a 30-minute trip fr= om terminal to terminal=2E 1957 A brand-new subway line is proposed, to go where no New York subway had ever gone before: New Jersey=2E The plan has similarities to Mr=2E Parsons's loop, except that this one would be shifted considerably to the west and would straddle the Hudson=2E (Some idea of the plan's future coul= d be gleaned from the comments of a prominent railroad official at the time,= who said, when asked whether New York and New Jersey could afford such a subway: "It would take a pipeline to Fort Knox=2E" Another official called= the idea "monstrous=2E") 1965 Apparently abandoning the idea of taking the subway to the suburbs, the New York City Planning Commission proposes bringing the suburbs into the subways=2E The Long Island Rail Road is to buy so-called "supersubway"= cars that can run on the commuter rails and then switch over seamlessly to= the subway=2E One idea is to connect these super cars with =97 you guessed it =97 the proposed Second Avenue subway=2E 1974 The Metropolitan Transportation Authority announces a new "stop" on the Second Avenue subway, delaying it because of spiraling costs until "about 1986=2E" - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000801c26b49$bf3fa880$1d4ef6d1_@_name> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:59:54 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) New York City This guy has a dream job doesn't he?...I think he should have added the elevated history, it was intensive and extensive, and most of the reading public are only vaguely aware if that. They, of course, were realized plans. Also they aren't "Tunnel Visions" Paul - -----Original Message----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) New York City From the NY Times.. October 1, 2002 After a Century of Dreams, Still Envying the Sardine By RANDY KENNEDY Whatever is said about this project in the years to come, certainly no one can say that the city acted rashly or without due deliberation." — Gov. Nelson A. Rockefeller, in 1972, at a groundbreaking ceremony for the Second Avenue subway, first proposed in 1920 and still unfinished today. As you read this, $4.5 billion in federal money circles high above New York City in a holding pattern. Anxiously awaiting its landing are public officials and business leaders who have effectively already spent this money three times over, at least in their minds, as they begin anxiously "re-imagining" the transportation landscape in Lower Manhattan. Arranged in no particular order of likelihood, there are plans to build a downtown station like Grand Central Terminal, to create a subterranean concourse with stores and cafes and moving sidewalks, to rebuild the South Street Ferry station, to connect the two Rector Street subway stations, to rebuild the Fulton Street complex, to submerge West Street into a traffic tunnel, to build new ferry terminals, and, if they can find the room, to bring the Long Island Rail Road and maybe even Metro-North into Lower Manhattan. With these plans in mind, and with the unmistakable background music of knives being sharpened, the Tunnel Vision column thought it might be a good time to take a brief tour of the metropolitan region with the Ghost of Transit Plans Past. For brevity's sake, the tour will start with ambitious and unrealized transit plans made after 1904, when the subway opened, leaving out earlier well-meaning pipe dreams, like Alfred E. Beach's pneumatic subway, which would have blown trains under Manhattan like so many state lottery Ping-Pong balls. The tour will also exclude most plans in the Buck Rogers and Buckminster Fuller categories, like the short-lived "Aerial Transit" idea of 1955, which would have spent $1.5 billion on a vast network of thin elevated rails, along which small, automated, bubble-like, rubber-tired cars would have whisked commuters into and around the city. (Think George Jetson in a gray flannel suit.) 1904 Just before he retires, William Barclay Parsons, the chief engineer of the first subway, proposes a plan for a grand loop system that would encircle the edges of Manhattan with a subway beltway. Crosstown lines, he said almost casually, could be added as needed and "laid out at any time." 1906 With the brand-new subway already packed in Manhattan, the city's Rapid Transit Commission considers a 100-mile-an-hour monorail in Brooklyn. "Board Seems Interested," announced a headline in The New York Times. "5-Cent Fares to Coney if the Plan Is Tried." It was not. 1922 With the Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle almost dangerously overcrowded, a prominent transit official proposes replacing the shuttle with a series of subterranean moving sidewalks from river to river, along 42nd Street. One sidewalk would go three miles per hour, another alongside it six miles per hour and a wide one in the middle, with benches, would zoom along at nine. Underground stores with "gaily decorated shop windows" would be built. A writer in this newspaper, addressing the beleaguered shuttle riders of his day, asked: "Haven't you honestly envied the sardine his commodious can?" If so, the envy continued because the sidewalks remained above ground and stationary. 1930 Plans for a Second Avenue subway are moving along apace and one proposal being seriously considered is to build beneath it a "super-express" line that will eventually stretch from Van Cortlandt Park to Coney Island, with stops only every 4.7 miles and a 30-minute trip from terminal to terminal. 1957 A brand-new subway line is proposed, to go where no New York subway had ever gone before: New Jersey. The plan has similarities to Mr. Parsons's loop, except that this one would be shifted considerably to the west and would straddle the Hudson. (Some idea of the plan's future could be gleaned from the comments of a prominent railroad official at the time, who said, when asked whether New York and New Jersey could afford such a subway: "It would take a pipeline to Fort Knox." Another official called the idea "monstrous.") 1965 Apparently abandoning the idea of taking the subway to the suburbs, the New York City Planning Commission proposes bringing the suburbs into the subways. The Long Island Rail Road is to buy so-called "supersubway" cars that can run on the commuter rails and then switch over seamlessly to the subway. One idea is to connect these super cars with — you guessed it — the proposed Second Avenue subway. 1974 The Metropolitan Transportation Authority announces a new "stop" on the Second Avenue subway, delaying it because of spiraling costs until "about 1986." - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #483 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <026001c26bd5$ea5db110$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:43:07 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Ellensburg, WA Depot purchase nears Grant funds have been released 10/03/02 PAT MUIR Within a month, Ellensburg city staff could be ready to make an offer to buy the Wenas Street historic train depot on behalf of Historic Ellensburg, a local preservation group. Acquiring the depot would put an end to an effort begun in 1999 and will signal the beginning of a new push to restore the building. The city and Historic Ellensburg have overcome several obstacles in getting this far, most notably the Burlington Northern Sante Fe Railroad' s refusal to offer a long-term lease on the depot property. In April, the railroad, which owns the property but not the building, changed directions and offered a 20-year lease, which meant state Department of Transportation could release a $260,000 federal grant to the city of Ellensburg for the project. After the purchase of the building, the lease will be signed and the city will transfer ownership of the building to Historic Ellensburg - or so the plan goes. "I don't go a day without people from the public asking me what's going on," Historic Ellensburg President Joe Bach said. "It's good to finally have something to tell them." But given the lengthy process up to this point, Historic Ellensburg members are hesitant to count their chickens, he said. "It definitely feels like there's some light at the end of the tunnel," Bach said. "But what hurdle do we have to get over next? That's always in the back of my mind." At this point, though, it seems things are headed in the right direction, said John Akers, Ellensburg's public works director and the city's point man on the depot project. After a grant-funded appraisal is complete, it won't take long before the city enters into negotiations with Dave Bean, the building's owner, Akers said. "The feds have released the project funds and the appraiser is doing his thing," he said. After paying for the costs of the appraisal and negotiation and the $20,000 lump sum for the 20-year lease on the property, there will be about $225,000 left for the purchase of the building and to begin restoration, Akers said. The first priorities are a new roof and a fence around the property, Bach said. "First we've just got to get it in a mothball state, get it sealed up," he said. Historic Ellensburg has actually already done some cleanup work on the site, Bach said. Once the depot is restored, it could be a popular attraction to train buffs, he said. "In the course of one cleanup day there, we probably had 20 people stop by, and I don't think any of them were local people," he said. "They wanted to see the depot." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003301c26bdb$65a97750$314dffd1_@_Computer> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:22:14 -0400 From: "bernie_rudberg" Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party HOPEWELL DEPOT WORK PARTY 12 OCTOBER 10:00 AM As some of you may already know, the recent weather has torn the temporary roof covering on the depot. Part of the center section is exposed to the rain and snow. As a short term fix, we have sections of tarp to cover the holes. We already have the tarps so it is a matter of getting up on the roof and doing some repair work. We plan to do the repair work on Saturday 12 October starting about 10:00 AM. We need volunteers to help out. Anybody who can help is welcome. Even if you don't climb on the roof. we need people on the ground to hold ladders etc. This is an emergency short term fix until we can do a more permanent job. Eventually the plan is to install a new layer of plywood and roofing material. This of course will take time and money. Meanwhile we will patch the holes to keep out the worst of the weather. We are also processing the paperwork for a $3000 grant application to finance the repair work. In addition we have sent letters to many local businesses asking for support and/or donations. We hope to see you on Saturday morning 12 October at the depot. Bernie Rudberg President, Hopewell Depot Restoration Inc. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4910-220021054194615352_@_M2W059.mail2web.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:46:15 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Dunsmuir, CA From the Redding CA Record Searchlight=2E=2E=2E =20 Dunsmuir train depot in jeopardy=20 Amtrak will pull service if station repairs not made=20 David Benda Record Searchlight=20 =20 October 04, 2002 =97 2:22 a=2Em=2E DUNSMUIR =97 Amtrak has given this historic railroad town an ultimatum: Resuscitate the passenger depot by Dec=2E 1 or lose service=2E The train carrier wants Dunsmuir to provide a heated, sheltered depot with= bathrooms and a phone, a place passengers can feel safe when catching the train=2E Amtrak currently leases a loading platform from Union Pacific, which close= d the building about a month ago when it moved its offices to a newer facility nearby=2E Over the years, the building has become dilapidated and unsafe to occupy, Amtrak spokeswoman Vernae Graham said Thursday from Oakland=2E "As it stands, our passengers would be out there in the early morning in the winter and very cold temperatures," Graham said=2E "We would love to continue to provide passenger service to Dunsmuir and Siskiyou County, onl= y if the facility is renovated=2E" The southbound Los Angeles-to-Seattle Coast Starlight makes daily runs, stopping in Dunsmuir at 2:20 a=2Em=2E going south and 5:04 a=2Em=2E going = north=2E If the improvements aren't made, Amtrak could look to neighboring Mount Shasta to replace Dunsmuir as its only Siskiyou County stop, Graham said=2E= But before Dunsmuir can renovate the 60-something-year-old building, it must either buy it from Union Pacific or lease it from the rail company=2E= Although Dunsmuir City Manager Michael Powers was out of town Thursday and= unavailable for comment, Mayor Wayne Meredith said that negotiations with Union Pacific have already started=2E But the Omaha, Neb=2E-based company said that's not so=2E "There has been no official direct contact between the city (Dunsmuir) and= the railroad," Union Pacific spokesman Mike Furtney said from San Francisc= o=2E Union Pacific has heard secondhand that the city is interested in either purchasing or leasing the building, Furtney said=2E "We are certainly willing to discuss it," Furtney said=2E Furtney was surprised to hear that Amtrak wants a sheltered stop for its Dunsmuir passengers=2E "It's interesting because Amtrak hasn't used anything but the outdoor platform, at least in recent years," Furtney said=2E Dunsmuir is the only stop the Coast Starlight makes between Klamath Falls,= Ore=2E, and Redding=2E Last fiscal year, 4,268 passengers used the Dunsmui= r stop, Graham said=2E In Redding, 6,422 Amtrak passengers got on or off at its depot during the same period=2E Meredith said losing Amtrak service would be a blow to Dunsmuir, simply because the town's existence is due in large part to the railroad=2E "We do think it's very important to keep the Amtrak terminal here as long as Amtrak stays running," Meredith said=2E While Meredith understands Amtrak's concern for its passengers, he wishes the company would help fund improvements to the depot=2E "They have flat said you get no money, but you have to repair the building," Meredith said=2E But spokeswoman Graham said Amtrak's policy is not to pay communities for station improvements=2E Meredith doesn't know how much it would cost to repair the depot, and Unio= n Pacific doesn't know how much the selling price to Dunsmuir would be=2E Meanwhile, Mount Shasta City Manager Bob Christofferson said Amtrak has approached his community about possibly relocating its Coast Starlight stop=2E He acknowledged that Mount Shasta is in an awkward position=2E The city wants to do everything possible to ensure that train service continues in Dunsmuir, but it also doesn't want to see Amtrak abandon Siskiyou County=2E "If they (Dunsmuir) can't do it, I would imagine we would get notification= from Amtrak," Christofferson said=2E Mount Shasta could then construct a temporary depot on North Mount Shasta Boulevard to accommodate Amtrak passengers, Christofferson said=2E The new= facility would be adjacent to a former train depot now occupied by various= businesses=2E "Because of the uncertainty of Dunsmuir, we haven't spent any time on this= or done any planning," Christofferson said when asked how much a temporary= facility would cost=2E Christofferson noted that funds for the Mount Shasta depot could be available through the Great American Station Foundation =97 a New Mexico organization dedicated to the revitalization of railway stations=2E=20 Reporter David Benda can be reached at 225-8219 or at dbenda_@_redding=2Ecom= =2E Friday, October 4, 2002=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002f01c26be2$9564fe40$a44576d8_@_oemcomputer> References: <003301c26bdb$65a97750$314dffd1_@_Computer> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:14:01 -0400 From: "Rich Chapin" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party What state is this Hopewell in? - ----- Original Message ----- From: bernie_rudberg To: Celeste Rudberg Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party > HOPEWELL DEPOT WORK PARTY 12 OCTOBER 10:00 AM > > As some of you may already know, the recent weather has torn the temporary > roof covering on the depot. Part of the center section is exposed to the > rain and snow. As a short term fix, we have sections of tarp to cover the > holes. We already have the tarps so it is a matter of getting up on the > roof and doing some repair work. > > We plan to do the repair work on Saturday 12 October starting about 10:00 > AM. We need volunteers to help out. Anybody who can help is welcome. Even > if you don't climb on the roof. we need people on the ground to hold ladders > etc. > > This is an emergency short term fix until we can do a more permanent job. > Eventually the plan is to install a new layer of plywood and roofing > material. This of course will take time and money. Meanwhile we will > patch the holes to keep out the worst of the weather. > > We are also processing the paperwork for a $3000 grant application to > finance the repair work. In addition we have sent letters to many local > businesses asking for support and/or donations. > > We hope to see you on Saturday morning 12 October at the depot. > > Bernie Rudberg President, Hopewell Depot Restoration Inc. > > > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <157240-220021054201922323_@_M2W052.mail2web.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:19:22 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party Original Message: - ----------------- What state is this Hopewell in? New York - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004201c26be7$b3612220$9f4b0e44_@_ri.cox.net> References: <003301c26bdb$65a97750$314dffd1_@_Computer> <002f01c26be2$9564fe40$a44576d8@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:50:40 -0400 From: "JIMBEAR" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party Unless I'm mistaken, it's Hopewell, NY on the former NH RR Maybrook line. Jim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Chapin" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party > What state is this Hopewell in? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bernie_rudberg > To: Celeste Rudberg > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:22 PM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006a01c26bfe$44c98d40$504dffd1_@_Computer> References: <003301c26bdb$65a97750$314dffd1_@_Computer> <002f01c26be2$9564fe40$a44576d8@oemcomputer> <004201c26be7$b3612220$9f4b0e44@ri.cox.net> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 19:32:08 -0400 From: "bernie_rudberg" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party Hopewell Junction is indeed on the old New Haven RR Maybrook line which was abandoned and torn up in the 1980s. Metro North Railroad owns the nearby tracks and land. Dutchess County now owns the former Maybrook ROW and calls it a utility corridor. They are planning to bury water lines under it and pave it to make a recreational rail trail. We are trying to preserve and restore the Hopewell depot as an anchor for one end of that rail trail. Bernie Rudberg President Hopewell Depot Restoration Inc. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000f01c26c07$79122b80$c6a99840_@_name> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:37:59 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Dunsmuir, CA This is a time-honored tradition of railroads....like where LIRR built its Northport depot south of Northport because the Northportians didn't want to pay for a depot. Paul - -----Original Message----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Dunsmuir, CA From the Redding CA Record Searchlight... Dunsmuir train depot in jeopardy Amtrak will pull service if station repairs not made David Benda Record Searchlight October 04, 2002 — 2:22 a.m. DUNSMUIR — Amtrak has given this historic railroad town an ultimatum: Resuscitate the passenger depot by Dec. 1 or lose service. The train carrier wants Dunsmuir to provide a heated, sheltered depot with bathrooms and a phone, a place passengers can feel safe when catching the train. Amtrak currently leases a loading platform from Union Pacific, which closed the building about a month ago when it moved its offices to a newer facility nearby. Over the years, the building has become dilapidated and unsafe to occupy, Amtrak spokeswoman Vernae Graham said Thursday from Oakland. "As it stands, our passengers would be out there in the early morning in the winter and very cold temperatures," Graham said. "We would love to continue to provide passenger service to Dunsmuir and Siskiyou County, only if the facility is renovated." The southbound Los Angeles-to-Seattle Coast Starlight makes daily runs, stopping in Dunsmuir at 2:20 a.m. going south and 5:04 a.m. going north. If the improvements aren't made, Amtrak could look to neighboring Mount Shasta to replace Dunsmuir as its only Siskiyou County stop, Graham said. But before Dunsmuir can renovate the 60-something-year-old building, it must either buy it from Union Pacific or lease it from the rail company. Although Dunsmuir City Manager Michael Powers was out of town Thursday and unavailable for comment, Mayor Wayne Meredith said that negotiations with Union Pacific have already started. But the Omaha, Neb.-based company said that's not so. "There has been no official direct contact between the city (Dunsmuir) and the railroad," Union Pacific spokesman Mike Furtney said from San Francisco. Union Pacific has heard secondhand that the city is interested in either purchasing or leasing the building, Furtney said. "We are certainly willing to discuss it," Furtney said. Furtney was surprised to hear that Amtrak wants a sheltered stop for its Dunsmuir passengers. "It's interesting because Amtrak hasn't used anything but the outdoor platform, at least in recent years," Furtney said. Dunsmuir is the only stop the Coast Starlight makes between Klamath Falls, Ore., and Redding. Last fiscal year, 4,268 passengers used the Dunsmuir stop, Graham said. In Redding, 6,422 Amtrak passengers got on or off at its depot during the same period. Meredith said losing Amtrak service would be a blow to Dunsmuir, simply because the town's existence is due in large part to the railroad. "We do think it's very important to keep the Amtrak terminal here as long as Amtrak stays running," Meredith said. While Meredith understands Amtrak's concern for its passengers, he wishes the company would help fund improvements to the depot. "They have flat said you get no money, but you have to repair the building," Meredith said. But spokeswoman Graham said Amtrak's policy is not to pay communities for station improvements. Meredith doesn't know how much it would cost to repair the depot, and Union Pacific doesn't know how much the selling price to Dunsmuir would be. Meanwhile, Mount Shasta City Manager Bob Christofferson said Amtrak has approached his community about possibly relocating its Coast Starlight stop. He acknowledged that Mount Shasta is in an awkward position. The city wants to do everything possible to ensure that train service continues in Dunsmuir, but it also doesn't want to see Amtrak abandon Siskiyou County. "If they (Dunsmuir) can't do it, I would imagine we would get notification from Amtrak," Christofferson said. Mount Shasta could then construct a temporary depot on North Mount Shasta Boulevard to accommodate Amtrak passengers, Christofferson said. The new facility would be adjacent to a former train depot now occupied by various businesses. "Because of the uncertainty of Dunsmuir, we haven't spent any time on this or done any planning," Christofferson said when asked how much a temporary facility would cost. Christofferson noted that funds for the Mount Shasta depot could be available through the Great American Station Foundation — a New Mexico organization dedicated to the revitalization of railway stations. Reporter David Benda can be reached at 225-8219 or at dbenda_@_redding.com. Friday, October 4, 2002 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003301c26bdb$65a97750$314dffd1_@_Computer> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:16:08 -0500 From: "Jeff Stith" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party I'm looking for grants for which my organization can apply to renovate a depot in Pattonsburg, Missouri from the old Omaha Kansas City Line (defunct since 1932). Any help on where I might look for a grant that doesn't necessarily require a building to be on the National Register of Historic Places? Jeff Stith President Historic Pattonsburg, Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net > [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of bernie_rudberg > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:22 PM > To: Celeste Rudberg > Subject: (rshsdepot) Hopewell Depot Roof Work Party > > > HOPEWELL DEPOT WORK PARTY 12 OCTOBER 10:00 AM > > As some of you may already know, the recent weather has torn the temporary > roof covering on the depot. Part of the center section is exposed to the > rain and snow. As a short term fix, we have sections of tarp to > cover the > holes. We already have the tarps so it is a matter of getting up on the > roof and doing some repair work. > > We plan to do the repair work on Saturday 12 October starting about 10:00 > AM. We need volunteers to help out. Anybody who can help is > welcome. Even > if you don't climb on the roof. we need people on the ground to > hold ladders > etc. > > This is an emergency short term fix until we can do a more permanent job. > Eventually the plan is to install a new layer of plywood and roofing > material. This of course will take time and money. Meanwhile we will > patch the holes to keep out the worst of the weather. > > We are also processing the paperwork for a $3000 grant application to > finance the repair work. In addition we have sent letters to many local > businesses asking for support and/or donations. > > We hope to see you on Saturday morning 12 October at the depot. > > Bernie Rudberg President, Hopewell Depot Restoration Inc. > > > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #484 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <03cc01c26c9b$23615ff0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 14:15:08 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Green Bay, WI What Brews At The Old Green Bay Train Depot? By Brenda Erickson News-Chronicle The aroma of something scrumptious sizzling on the grill wafts out of the kitchen at Titletown Brewery, where author Dennis Boyer once made a stop and couldn't resist coming back. Once inside, in the shadow of the kegs holding the brewery's best beers, it's easy to see what lured Boyer back. The historical theme of the restaurant and microbrewery, nestled in the old Green Bay train depot where the clock tower still stands watch, was one of the reasons Boyer paid another visit to flesh out a mention in the first edition of his book "Great Wisconsin Taverns," boosting the pub to what he considers one of the top 10 taverns in the state for the revised version. "It's a classy place," said Boyer, who has toured some 3000 taverns during business trips, enough to compile a book celebrating one of Wisconsin's most heralded traditions. "I had great experiences there," he added, reminiscing about the beer samples the bartender was eager to supply. Old beer signs and classic art decorate the walls of the former railroad depot, now a charming place where diners and drinkers can belly up to the bar or take a table outside the bustling place, which brings back an era that's virtually lost in and around Green Bay. "It's a neat old building," said owner Brent Weycker, and it's part of our success." Weycker said the station, built in 1898, was gutted by the new owners to make way for a restaurant and brewing equipment, but much of the original construction was maintained to restore the patina of the past, including fireplaces, archways and hardwood floors that still show the wear of thousands of feet including former presidents such as Taft and both Roosevelts and rockabilly legend Buddy Holly shuffling impatiently as they waited for their tickets. And trains still pass the restaurant daily, so if patrons close their eyes, they can still feel as if they're in the old train station, if only for a minute. On a traditional day, Titletown serves up six to nine beers, including the eight on tap right now. Historically-named special favorites are offered year round and include the 400 Honey Ale, Railyard Ale, Johnny "Blood" McNally Red Ale, Old Ford Howard Pale Ale and Bridge Out Stout, a dark beer that serves as a reminder that the business was able to thrive despite the Main Street bridge being out when the establishment first opened its doors. The restaurant's full menu includes appetizers, soups and salads and an array of seasonal items served as entrees, and judging from the many patrons sitting at tables, it's not only the beer that brings people back to the historic Titletown. According to Weycker, business has increased steadily over the past six years for the locally-owned brew pub, which offers a range of six to nine microbrew beers, including seasonal specials and for non-drinkers, Gramma Gladys' homemade Sno-Cap rootbeer, named after a rootbeer served at the now-lost Sno-Cap Drive-In that was too popular to let pass by the wayside. But the building itself is the restaurant's most unique and gorgeous feature. Too, by locating in Green Bay, once the home of five breweries, Titletown can pay tribute to some of Green Bay's richest history. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <02a201c26ceb$feedb1e0$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:53:55 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: (rshsdepot) Fw: BOUNCE rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net: Non-member submission from ["Jim Guthrie" ] - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Guthrie" > To: > Subject: LIRR Northport -- was Re: (rshsdepot) Dunsmuir, CA > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:06:36 -0400 > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:37:59 -0400 "Paul S. Luchter" > > wrote: > > > This is a time-honored tradition of > > railroads....like where LIRR built its > > Northport depot south of Northport because the > > Northportians didn't want to > > pay for a depot. > > So, then, what was that Depot that the LIRR built that was located north of > the [current] 25A? > > "Old Northport" was still a mile from the village, but it always had 3-4 > trains a day as did the line to Port jeff after it opened in 1873. In 1899, > the trolley to Genola -- which was renamed East Northport -- opened met all > the trains, ran all the way down Main Street to the waterfront, and even > took kids to the "new" high school (a siding there even allowed for > layovers). This was far better service to Northport proper than they had > ever enjoyed. > > If you look at the local geography, you'll note that heading east from the > Northport Depot would have been needlessly expensive due to the hills, as > compared to the almost straight shot that was actually built. It should also > be remembered that A.T. Steward had also made a proposal to entend his > Bethpage Branch to meet the Smithown and Port Jefferson, which also > influenced its location. > > As for the financing, the Smithtown and Port Jefferson Railroad was one of > three built with town bonding in New York State, and unlike the better known > NY&OM, not only paid for itself, but Smithtown Township taxpayers received > a nice little dividend when the PRR paid off the bonds and consolidated the > system in the 1920. > > Cheers, > Jim Guthrie > (formerly of Smithtown) > > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #485 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001001c26d33$b2f81e40$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 08:27:13 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) McGill, NV At the Throttle: Saving the McGill Depot By MARK BASSETT - Ely Daily Times There are three major projects that the Nevada Northern Railway Museum is investigating funding sources for. The projects are: the McGill Depot, the East Ely Machine Shop and Engine House Building, and of course Locomotive 40. The three projects share similar characteristics; they will cost about $500,000 a piece; they are all in need of immediate help; and they are vital to the museum. Starting with the McGill Depot, if stabilization work is not started in the immediate future we will have the McGill rubble pile. The roof has fallen in on one corner. The roof leaks throughout the structure and the foundation is sinking in a couple of places. What makes the McGill Depot unique is that it is the last remaining depot of that style left on the Nevada Northern Railway. It is the quintessential American railroad depot and is definitely worth preserving. So why preserve a depot that does not currently have a connection to the Nevada Northern Railway? Because it could have a connection and the connection could come from the Adverse or highline side. And that is just the project that we are proposing; restore the depot, lay track from Adverse to the depot, put in either a balloon track or wye at McGill for turning the trains and, wallah, you have a destination. Okay you have a destination, now what? There is a world-class foundry in McGill, oddly enough right across the street from the depot. They would be interested in displaying their work in the restored depot. Since we don't need the freight part of the building, how about putting in a small food facility? Then there is the Rexall Museum in McGill and the McGill Club that has one of the oldest back bars in Nevada. As I was talking this over with a friend she mentioned putting in a coffee shop, maybe another gallery, a couple of bed and breakfasts, all of this near the entrance to Great Basin National Park, "Now you're talking economic development." Is this possible or is it blue sky? Well, good question. A model already exists, the Durango and Silverton Railroad in Colorado. The last time I was in Durango to ride the train was two years ago in mid-week in the middle of September. They ran three trains that day to Silverton. The extra fare cars were sold out for the next 10 days! All three trains were full. My wife and I rode the train to Silverton. Took the first train out and the last train back from Silverton. While in Silverton, we explored the town and walked a good five miles and dropped about $200 on lunch, gifts and knick-knacks. Then we returned to Durango where we decided to go out to dinner on a Thursday night. Well we walked another two miles to find a restaurant we could have dinner without waiting two hours. What does all of this have to do with Ely and McGill? On the train last month I was speaking with a passenger who was wearing a Durango & Silverton shirt. Turns out she's been going to Durango for over 30 years to ride the train. Her remark to me was that Ely looks just like Durango did 30 years ago! The more we talked she related how the little depressed mining towns of Durango and Silverton did a complete economic turn around. The catalyst for the turn around was the railroad which 30 years ago was a broken down facility with old dirty steam locomotives and rickety cars. I should also point out that Durango is, believe it or not, even more isolated than Ely is! Ely is closer to major metropolitan areas than Durango. We have the opportunity, if we can marshal our resources, one of which is a depot with no rail connection and a leaky roof. The museum is pursuing grants to build the track into the McGill Depot from Adverse and stabilize the depot. After the depot is stabilized, then we will restore it. This is not a project that will happen over night, but it is a project that is worth doing. There is a little mystery surrounding the depot. We're just in the preliminary stage of doing research on it, but an interesting story has popped up. It is believed by some that the McGill Depot was built at Currie, then moved to East Ely and then moved to McGill. I find this hard to believe. If you have information on the McGill Depot, I'd like to hear from you. Mark Bassett is the Executive Director of the White Pine Historical Foundation operators of the Nevada Northern Railway Museum. He can be reached at the museum (775) 289-2085 or e-mail: nnry_@_mwpower.net ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007001c26d86$32218ce0$d023c118_@_NYSWRRCoalCo> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:17:44 -0400 From: "Jim Guthrie" Subject: (rshsdepot) LIRR Northport (Test) > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:37:59 -0400 "Paul S. Luchter" > > wrote: > > > This is a time-honored tradition of > > railroads....like where LIRR built its > > Northport depot south of Northport because the > > Northportians didn't want to > > pay for a depot. > > So, then, what was that Depot that the LIRR built that was located north of > the [current] 25A? > > "Old Northport" was still a mile from the village, but it always had 3-4 > trains a day as did the line to Port jeff after it opened in 1873. In 1899, > the trolley to Genola -- which was renamed East Northport -- opened met all > the trains, ran all the way down Main Street to the waterfront, and even > took kids to the "new" high school (a siding there even allowed for > layovers). This was far better service to Northport proper than they had > ever enjoyed. > > If you look at the local geography, you'll note that heading east from the > Northport Depot would have been needlessly expensive due to the hills, as > compared to the almost straight shot that was actually built. It should also > be remembered that A.T. Steward had also made a proposal to entend his > Bethpage Branch to meet the Smithown and Port Jefferson, which also > influenced its location. > > As for the financing, the Smithtown and Port Jefferson Railroad was one of > three built with town bonding in New York State, and unlike the better known > NY&OM, not only paid for itself, but Smithtown Township taxpayers received > a nice little dividend when the PRR paid off the bonds and consolidated the > system in the 1920. > > Cheers, > Jim Guthrie > (formerly of Smithtown) > > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #486 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:19:32 -0400 From: "Michael Bosak" Subject: (rshsdepot) DL Laurel Line, Scranton Just took the trolley ride through the tunnel from the museum. It was gr eat! I enjoyed going through the tunnel quite a it. It is certainly the highlight of the trip. The trolley museum is separate from Steamtown and worth seeing. And what can I say about Steamtown, but if you haven't gon e, you really need to. MikeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer do wnload : http://explorer.msn.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <265000-220021017204345852_@_M2W074.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:43:45 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Halletsville, Texas From Railway Preservation News=2E=2E=2E The original brief is at http://www=2Erypn=2Eorg/Briefs/october2002/021005= =2Ehtm Be sure to vist it to see the photos, definetly worth a look! San Antonio & Aransas Pass Depot in Halletsville, Texas I took my father to the doctor on Monday, October 1st, and on the way home= we stopped at Schultze's Family Restaurant (his favorite local hangout her= e in Rosenberg)=2E Occasionally, the restaurant has some of the local area newspapers for patrons to read, and among these I found a copy of the Victoria Advocate=2E Scanning through the paper, I saw an obituary for Jerome M=2E Haas of Hallettsville, along with his photograph=2E I had met Mr=2E Haas a few tim= es in Hallettsville, and once in Wallis=2E Mr=2E Haas had owned the old SA&AP de= pot in Hallettsville (after that portion of the line was abandoned in 1959), and was kind enough to take me through it in the spring of 1993, at which time I took these photos=2E =20 Hallettsville depot as it appeared in March 1993=2E You are looking at tow= ard the east, and the western end and southern side of the building=2E Three photos by Ken Stavinoha=2E=20 It's is fortunate that I was able to photograph the building when I did, for 5 years later it was gone=2E Mr=2E Haas had spent a lot of time at the= depot as a young man, and really loved the building=2E He told me about th= e last time the building had been painted (in the 1940's), the old paint was= burned off with torches rather than scraped off=2E He couldn't believe it=20= didn't burn down during this process=2E =20 This was the door to the express/baggage area=2E As the depot was original= ly built, this door was in the small baggage extension=2E It was later moved = to the current spot, where the door with the Western Union sign appears in th= e early photo postcard, and apparently the baggage extension was eliminated=2E= =20 At the time I photographed it, he had been trying to sell it for a very modest price, but there were no takers=2E No one wanted the building where= it was, and it could not be moved in one piece out of it's location=2E Mr=2E = Haas was already into his lengthy fight with cancer, and just did not have the financial resources to keep up the building=2E Mother nature came along an= d just about finished the depot off, and the city made Mr=2E Haas demolish t= he rest=2E =20 This photo says so much about the forlorn state of the building=2E The condition of this window explains why the rest were boarded up=2E In the heyday of the depot, one would have seen produce warehouses when looking out this window=2E=20 I had not talked with Mr=2E Haas in a few years, and would not have known about his death except for the chance(?) encounter with a newspaper printe= d 90 miles from Rosenberg=2E So, I felt compelled to tell the story of Mr=2E= Haas and his beloved depot=2E Perhaps they are reunited in that great railroad = in the sky=2E RIP Mr=2E Haas, and thanks for the memories=2E (Ken Stavinoha)=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <157240-220021017205117711_@_M2W055.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:51:17 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Cherokee (?) I don't know if this is Nebraska, Iowa or MN=2E 10/07/2002 Cherokee Finishes Train Depot Renovation=20 After ten years and hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're in the final= stage of renovating a historic train depot in Cherokee=2E Members of Depot= Renovation, Inc=2E, are fixing up the second floor of the train depot, the= last phase of the renovation=2E Jim Adamson with the depot renovation said= , =93We're building a handicap accessible bathroom, and the upstairs will be= rented out to tenants=2E Illinois Central Railroad built the depot in 1896=2E The community of Cherokee grew up around it=2E Trains stopped at the depot with passengers = and freight for almost one hundred years=2E In 1990, Adamson and several other= community members formed Depot Renovation, Inc=2E By then, the depot was n= o longer in use, and there was talk of tearing the building down and buildin= g a parking lot=2E But Adamson and the group raised enough money to buy the depot themselves=2E The renovations have cost over three hundred thousand dollars, much of tha= t provided by state and local grants=2E But Adamson says it's worth it, so people like Marjorie Rowen, who worked in the depot almost sixty years ago= , can come back, and reminisce=2E The project should be complete by the end = of the year=2E Christian Walk =A9 2002 KTIV=2E All Rights Reserved=2E=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4910-22002101720541196_@_M2W054.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:54:11 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Grand Island, NE Riding the rails into history Former hobo shares his experiences at Historical Society's Hobo Hoedown in= G=2EI=2E=20 =20 =20 Independent/Scott Kingsley=20 =20 By Sarah Schulz=20 sschulz_@_theindependent=2Ecom=20 John Seery's worst experience riding the rails came when a railroad employee smacked his fingers with a baton, causing him to fall headfirst into coal cinders=2E His best experiences centered on working in exchange for a meal=2E Seery, 93, shared his stories with a group gathered at Plum Street Station= Sunday evening for the Hobo Hoedown=2E The event was the Hall County Historical Society's effort to raise money t= o help keep the depot in operation, said Kay Hulme, treasurer for the societ= y and chairwoman for the Hobo Hoedown organizing committee=2E Seery said he began riding the rails when he was 14=2E He recalled one of = his first rides when he crawled on top of a boxcar and fell asleep=2E The train went through a tunnel and the coal smoke from the locomotive filled the small space=2E "I came out the other end gagging and a spittin'," he said with a laugh=2E= He also told about roasting corn cobs in a tin can and trading a half-empt= y bottle of whisky for another hobo's hat=2E "Every time I hear a train whistle it brings back memories," he said and smiled=2E "But at my age, and with this cane, I can't catch it=2E" Seery said he joined the U=2ES=2E Navy in 1928 when he was almost 18 and s= erved for 20 years=2E He was also in the reserves for 10 years=2E He said he met his wife of 63 years in California where she was caring for= a sick relative=2E He rode a train to Grand Island to see her when she'd returned home, and it was snowing when he arrived=2E "I told her she better not expect me to live in this God-forsaken place," he said=2E "I've been here since 1950=2E I've had a wonderful life in Gran= d Island=2E" After Seery spoke, others in attendance briefly shared memories about the station when it was a passenger depot "There's a lot of good stories," said John Amick, a member of the Hall County Historical Society=2E Amick attended Sunday's event wearing a conductor's uniform that belonged to Hulme's father=2E Hulme said she grew up in Ravenna, a railroad town, and thought the idea o= f the Hobo Hoedown fit perfectly with the Plum Street Station=2E The idea for the event was credited to society president Pat Mader, who is= recovering from a stroke and attended Sunday's fund-raiser=2E The depot was decorated with hobo symbols and their meanings, such as directions, where a phone was available, dangerous areas, where to avoid dishonest people, where to eat and where to get work=2E Hobo Hoedown committee member Carolyn Loschen grew up in Gibbon three houses north of the railroad tracks=2E She remembers seeing some of the markings on boxcars and on buildings near the tracks=2E She said her mother would sometimes give hobos a sack lunch with a sandwic= h and maybe a cookie=2E Hulme shared some hobo trivia with the group=2E She said a hobo was someon= e who traveled around the country and worked in exchange for food or money=2E= They separated themselves from bums and tramps because a hobo liked to travel and would work, a tramp traveled but didn't work, and a bum didn't travel or work, she said=2E Today the speed of trains makes it hard to hop a ride, but in the early 1880s through the 1940s hobos were common, Hulme said=2E In the 1880s railroads were being built quickly and since times were difficult many men, women and children took to the rails in search of work= , she said=2E The hobos often stayed in camps near railroads and used nicknames like Oklahoma Slim and Boxcar Willie, she said=2E Theft was kept at a minimum a= nd hobos had an unspoken agreement not to harm other hobos, she said=2E The evening event ended with entertainment from the "Bum Brigade" and an audience sing-along to hobo songs=2E - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <191690-2200210172056361_@_M2W074.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:56:36 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Carona, KS Depot keeps rail heritage alive=20 Local group spared Carona depot from destruction=20 By NIKKI PATRICK=20 Morning Sun Family Living Editor=20 =20 C=2E Cottrell/The Morning Sun=20 CARONA -- In the old days, the Carona railroad depot was the center of the= community=2E By 1959, the depot and an adjacent shed were moved to a field for agricultural use and the future seemed to hold nothing but a long, slow period of decay=2E That changed in 1996 when members of the Heart of the Heartlands acquired the structure and moved it back to its original location=2E The Carona depot would have been destroyed by termites within two years had it not been saved, Heart of the Heartlands President Larry Spahn said=2E= =20 "We're very fortunate to have saved the depot," said Larry Spahn, Heart of= the Heartlands president=2E "The termites had started on it, and in two ye= ars it would have been gone=2E" Spahn said members talked with area residents during the restoration project to learn as much as possible about the depot=2E "All the news was at this depot," Spahn said=2E "All the mail came in by train, and so did all the newspapers=2E" During the war years, troop trains would stop at the depot, he said, and area children would go down to the depot and talk with the soldiers=2E "One woman told me that a soldier had given her a piece of hardtack -- and= she still had it," Spahn said=2E Sometimes the depot was the scene of tragedy=2E "A woman told me that a neighbor's daughter, a young woman who had gone away, died of influenza," Spahn said=2E "They brought her body back home by train, and all people gather here to meet it=2E The woman remembered the girl's father standing here and wailing=2E She said she'd never heard a sound like that before, a= nd never wanted to again=2E She didn't really like talking about it, but felt= that it needed to be said=2E" As nearly as possible, members restored the depot to its original appearance, with yellow siding and brown trim=2E Various area railroad fan= s donated or loaned items for display=2E Their work brought them a 1996 Governor's Award for Community Service from= the Kansas State Historical Society=2E But saving the depot was just the beginning=2E More and more items of railroad history, from signals to train cars, have been accumulated at the= depot site=2E "We've been getting more railroad signals," Spahn said=2E "One of our memb= ers moved to Texas decided that we would be good caretakers of the signals he had collected=2E" Old railroad signals, Spahn said, are disappearing fast=2E "We've got one of the last operating semaphores in southeast Kansas," he said=2E "The signals controlled the trains=2E The arms would be up with a = green light for 'go,' or if there was another train in the next block, the light= would be red=2E If there was another train farther away, the light would b= e yellow=2E" One of the signals, formerly used by the Santa Fe Railroad, has its motor in a box on top of its tall post=2E A Frisco model, however, has the motor= in a box at the base of the pole=2E Then there's the wig-wag=2E "They called it that because the arms would mo= ve back and forth," explained John Chambers, another Heart of the Heartlands member=2E "They also called these automatic flagmen=2E The one we have protected the railroad crossing at Baxter Springs=2E" Probably the oldest and rarest piece of rolling stock at the depot, according to Spahn, is a blue 1932 Plymouth 0-6-0 engine=2E It was one of = the first internal combustion engines used by the Missouri-Pacific Railroad, and ushered in a new era of machine transportation=2E Previously, railroad= s had been steam-powered=2E "But they went ahead and made this look like a steam engine," said Ron Morgan, Heart of the Heartlands member=2E "They even put a stack on it, though it didn't function for that purpose, and a bell=2E" The blue engine was last used at Mackie-Clemens Mine No=2E 22 in the 1970s= =2E "We rescued it in 1999," Spahn said=2E "It was two weeks away from being s= old for salvage=2E" One of the more recent acquisitions is an old refrigerator car=2E "This wasn't cool by a refrigeration unit -- they iced it with real ice and used= it to transport fresh fruit, vegetables and meat across the country," Spah= n said=2E Newest of all is a Railway Express Agency car=2E "That was the counterpart= of our United Parcel Service," Spahn said=2E "The REA car would meet the trai= n, pick up merchandise that people had ordered, and deliver it to their homes= =2E" The car is still being restored, he said=2E Tires have been put on it, and= Morgan spent the summer putting a new coat of green paint on it=2E More growth is planned at the depot=2E "We're hoping to construct a 70-by-36-foot building here," Spahn said=2E "It would provide more display= space, and we'd also have our Heart of the Heartlands meetings there=2E We= 've applied for a grant, but the state's money is tight now, so we don't know=2E= " Heart of the Heartlands occasionally sponsors excursion train rides=2E One= is planned for Oct=2E 19 from the Carona Depot to the Santa Fe Depot in Cherryvale=2E Participants will have a noon lunch catered by Chicken Annie= 's, and leave on the return at 2:30 p=2Em=2E Cost will be $30 per person, with= reservations and advanced payment required=2E Those wishing to make reservations may contact Spahn at 2845 N=2EE=2E Wild Canary Lane, Weir, KS= 66781, or call (620) 396-8594 after 5:30 p=2Em=2E One-hour Halloween rides are planned at 1 p=2Em=2E and 3 p=2Em=2E on Oct=2E= 26=2E Tickets will be available at the Carona Depot on the day of the ride=2E Co= st will be $5 per person, with children on laps riding free=2E Proceeds will help the Heart of the Heartlands with its projects, but fund-raising is only one reason for the rides=2E The organization seeks to= preserve the area's railroad heritage, educate the public and share the enjoyment of rail travel=2E Aiding the organization with its work is Watco Cos=2E Inc=2E "If it wasn't= for Watco and the Webb family, we wouldn't be here," Spahn said=2E He noted that some might wonder why he and his fellow railroad fans spend so much time and effort trying to save the remnants of the past=2E Part of it is the importance of the railroads to the area's development an= d the daily lives of those who settled southeast Kansas=2E "Those immigrants who came here must have had a lot of courage," Spahn said=2E "How bad could things have been in Europe for them to come to a ne= w country where they didn't know anybody, didn't even know the language? The= y didn't realize they were making history -- they were just trying to make a= living=2E" There's also something harder to put into words, the attraction that the open road or the rails have always held=2E Spahn stood outside the old depot and looked at the tracks rolling past=2E= "You know, if you look one way, it looks like we don't have much track lef= t here," he said=2E "But if you turn and look the other way, those rails go = all the way to the horizon=2E" Family Living Editor Nikki Patrick can be reached at npatrick_@_morningsun=2Enet or 231-2600, Ext=2E 233=2E - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <2920-22002101720597566_@_M2W075.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:59:07 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA History, hauntings among treasures in Tunnel Hill =20 By: Connie Scott, For The Daily Citizen October 06, 2002=20 =20 TUNNEL HILL - The Western and Atlantic Tunnel is the city's claim to fame,= but what many folks don't know is that there's much more to see in Tunnel Hill than just a couple of tunnels=2E=20 Battlegrounds, unspoiled cannon and riffle pits, festivals and re-enactments, Confederate cemeteries and a restored antebellum mansion ar= e just a few hot spots the town has to offer=2E The first train passed through Tunnel Hill's Western Atlantic Tunnel in 1850=2E The tunnel, 1,477 feet long, was the first railroad tunnel built south of the Mason-Dixon line and was the last section of track to be laid= on the Western and Atlantic Railway's mainline, which ran from what is now= known as Atlanta to the Tennessee River=2E It was the first railroad to successfully link the Atlantic Ocean with the Mississippi River=2E The North and South fought over control of the tunnel during the Civil War= =2E In later years, troops passed through the tunnel on their way to wars in other countries=2E In 1916 a circus clown riding atop a train was nearly decapitated at the tunnel's entrance when he sat up at the wrong time, creating a somewhat spooky town legend=2E As time went by, builders began making trains too large to pass through th= e tunnel=2E The railways stopped using it, a second tunnel was built beside = the first, and rail traffic was re-routed=2E By the early 1990s kudzu had taken over and Tunnel Hill's namesake was all= but forgotten=2E It wasn't until the railroad started shoveling dirt in th= at the townspeople got a wake-up call=2E Kenneth Holcomb and other Tunnel Hillians stepped forward, saved the tunne= l and set about restoration=2E Today, the tunnel has been restored and is be= ing enjoyed by new generations=2E Though the tracks have been removed and an iron gate guards its entrance, the tunnel still stands=2E It is opened for tours during the town's annual= Civil War re-enactments, and plans are currently underway to build a park and have the tunnel open full time=2E Just a hop and a skip from the two tunnels is property owned by Kenneth an= d Barbara Holcomb=2E It is on this land that some of the bloodiest battles o= f the Civil War occurred=2E Some believe the battlefields are haunted=2E According to re-enactor Kenne= th Sumner of Woodstock, the place abounds with paranormal activity=2E Prompte= d by interviews with Sumner that ran in the Whitfield-Murray Advertiser in October of 1999 and an article that ran in Fate magazine in August of this= year, the Georgia branch of The Foundation for Paranormal Research conducted investigations in Tunnel Hill=2E The findings can be viewed by logging onto its Web site (www=2Eparanormalresearchonline=2Ecom/investiga_tunnelhill=2Ehtml)=2E Ghosts or no ghosts, each year, in an effort to remember those who suffere= d there, the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation hosts a re-enactment recreating= battle scenes=2E In addition to the battle, campsites representing the Nor= th and the South are set up for visitors to get a feel for what life was like= for soldiers in 1864=2E Food, crafts and novelty items are sold; church services are held on the Sunday of the re-enactment; and a ladies tea is hosted=2E "The re-enactment is our flagship," said Marvin Sowder, vice president of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation and president of the Whitfield-Murray Historic Foundation=2E "The re-enactment is held on Saturday and Sunday ea= ch year, but on Fridays we open it up to area schools=2E They get a living history demonstration=2E They get to see cavalry men on horses, ladies spinning thread, cannons loaded and fired, and they hear the history of th= e tunnel and the events that happened there=2E" On top of the mountain behind the battlefields, there are still cannon and= rifle pits in pristine condition=2E The embankments were built by Confeder= ate troops to keep the Union troops back=2E Gen=2E Joseph E=2E Johnston, whose= statue stands on West Crawford Street in downtown Dalton, had both sides of the mountain manned with soldiers to protect Dalton, as well as to defend the Army and the railroad=2E Union Gen=2E William T=2E Sherman planned on taking out Dalton, said Boyd Whitfield, president of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation, who believes Johnston's efforts went a long way in keeping the Union general from doing= so=2E Though the Yankees were kept out of Dalton, they did manage to take over one of Tunnel Hill's finer homes, the Clisby Austin House=2E Built in 1848 by Clisby Austin, the house - a mansion in its day - sits within sight distance of the tunnel=2E Clisby Austin came to Tunnel Hill in the early 1840s as a merchant when th= e tunnel was being developed, said Kenneth Holcomb, who currently owns the house=2E He moved to East Tennessee when the war broke out because he was = a Union sympathizer=2E His son, James Austin, stayed behind and ran a hotel = and a salon in Tunnel Hill=2E James Austin served in the Tunnel Guards, a Georgia home guard unit=2E Unl= ike his father, his loyalties were Southern in nature=2E For a while, the Confederates used the Clisby Austin House for a hospital=2E= After they fell back, and the Union Army moved in, Sherman made the house his headquarters=2E It is said he planned the final legs of the Atlanta campaign under the roof of the house=2E After the war, the Austins returned to their home=2E Since then it has changed hands many times=2E Today, the Clisby Austin is occupied by Delore= s Holcomb=2E The Austin family cemetery is located on a hill across from the home=2E Although Rebecca Austin, the mother of Clisby Austin, has the only remaining headstone, as many as 17 others may be buried there=2E Heading north out of Tunnel Hill, on Tunnel Hill-Varnell Road, is the Old Foster Cemetery=2E According to Sowder, two members of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation were walking in the Old Foster Cemetery back in April of 1995 when they happened upon row after row of bumps and depressions=2E "Do you see what I see?" Teresa Sheram asked Carolyn Watkins=2E One hundred thirty-years after the Civil War, the one-time burial place of= 90 soldiers was rediscovered=2E A suggestion was made to open several of the grave sites to see who was buried there=2E After meeting legal requirements, an archeological dig was= set in motion=2E Surprisingly, no bodies were found=2E Coffin handles, porcelain buttons, square nails and a rubber button that had been carved into a ring were found, but no soldiers=2E In August of the same year the mystery was solved through information discovered in Georgia State archives=2E A scrapbook detailed the removal o= f the Confederate dead from the battlefields of Chickamauga, Ringgold and th= e Tunnel Hill cemetery=2E Ninety bodies were unearthed, explained Whitfield, and were put in coffins= and sent to Marietta=2E The soldiers with headstones were left behind=2E O= nly the unknowns were taken=2E Those wishing to visit the ones left behind should have no trouble finding= the cemetery=2E The Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation recently put a granite= marker up, making the site easy to spot=2E The old train depot, built in 1850, still stands in downtown Tunnel Hill=2E= During the Civil War, Union soldiers attempted to destroy it=2E According = to Sowder, they burnt the roof and the platform but were unable to knock down= the foot-thick walls=2E Owned by ConAgra, today the building is not in use= =2E This year marked the beginning of a new tradition in Tunnel Hill=2E The fi= rst annual Celtic and Heritage Festival was held last month, and plans for nex= t year's follow-up festival are in the works=2E According to Whitfield, the day was a success=2E Celtic crafters set up booths, bagpipers piped, musicians played folks songs and Highland dancers= entertained as visitors enjoyed food from the old country=2E The Celtic celebration was just part of what the festival was about=2E At = the other end of the spectrum was the American Indian observance=2E Various individuals, decked out in full Indian regalia, attended and set up booths= displaying their wares=2E "It is a good event promoting the two cultures coming together," stated Nancy Crowe, who was in attendance=2E The Scottish along with the Irish we= re the first white settlers in the area and they intermarried with the Cherokees, according to historians=2E Highway 41 in Tunnel Hill is part of the Trail of Tears, pointed out Whitfield=2E That was the road that actually came through Cherokee territo= ry=2E=20 =20 =A9Daily Citizen 2002 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2920-22002101720597566_@_M2W075.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:24:03 -0400 From: "Geoff Brown" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA Where in Georgia is this place? We Yankees don't get this kind of material in school. Nearby towns, highways (sorry about that!) or present-day railroads would help place this very interesting story in some kind of context for those of us from north of Tennessee. Thanks and regards! Geoff Brown - -----Original Message----- From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of jdent1_@_optonline.net Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:59 PM To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA History, hauntings among treasures in Tunnel Hill By: Connie Scott, For The Daily Citizen October 06, 2002 TUNNEL HILL - The Western and Atlantic Tunnel is the city's claim to fame, but what many folks don't know is that there's much more to see in Tunnel Hill than just a couple of tunnels. Battlegrounds, unspoiled cannon and riffle pits, festivals and re-enactments, Confederate cemeteries and a restored antebellum mansion are just a few hot spots the town has to offer. The first train passed through Tunnel Hill's Western Atlantic Tunnel in 1850. The tunnel, 1,477 feet long, was the first railroad tunnel built south of the Mason-Dixon line and was the last section of track to be laid on the Western and Atlantic Railway's mainline, which ran from what is now known as Atlanta to the Tennessee River. It was the first railroad to successfully link the Atlantic Ocean with the Mississippi River. The North and South fought over control of the tunnel during the Civil War. In later years, troops passed through the tunnel on their way to wars in other countries. In 1916 a circus clown riding atop a train was nearly decapitated at the tunnel's entrance when he sat up at the wrong time, creating a somewhat spooky town legend. As time went by, builders began making trains too large to pass through the tunnel. The railways stopped using it, a second tunnel was built beside the first, and rail traffic was re-routed. By the early 1990s kudzu had taken over and Tunnel Hill's namesake was all but forgotten. It wasn't until the railroad started shoveling dirt in that the townspeople got a wake-up call. Kenneth Holcomb and other Tunnel Hillians stepped forward, saved the tunnel and set about restoration. Today, the tunnel has been restored and is being enjoyed by new generations. Though the tracks have been removed and an iron gate guards its entrance, the tunnel still stands. It is opened for tours during the town's annual Civil War re-enactments, and plans are currently underway to build a park and have the tunnel open full time. Just a hop and a skip from the two tunnels is property owned by Kenneth and Barbara Holcomb. It is on this land that some of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War occurred. Some believe the battlefields are haunted. According to re-enactor Kenneth Sumner of Woodstock, the place abounds with paranormal activity. Prompted by interviews with Sumner that ran in the Whitfield-Murray Advertiser in October of 1999 and an article that ran in Fate magazine in August of this year, the Georgia branch of The Foundation for Paranormal Research conducted investigations in Tunnel Hill. The findings can be viewed by logging onto its Web site (www.paranormalresearchonline.com/investiga_tunnelhill.html). Ghosts or no ghosts, each year, in an effort to remember those who suffered there, the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation hosts a re-enactment recreating battle scenes. In addition to the battle, campsites representing the North and the South are set up for visitors to get a feel for what life was like for soldiers in 1864. Food, crafts and novelty items are sold; church services are held on the Sunday of the re-enactment; and a ladies tea is hosted. "The re-enactment is our flagship," said Marvin Sowder, vice president of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation and president of the Whitfield-Murray Historic Foundation. "The re-enactment is held on Saturday and Sunday each year, but on Fridays we open it up to area schools. They get a living history demonstration. They get to see cavalry men on horses, ladies spinning thread, cannons loaded and fired, and they hear the history of the tunnel and the events that happened there." On top of the mountain behind the battlefields, there are still cannon and rifle pits in pristine condition. The embankments were built by Confederate troops to keep the Union troops back. Gen. Joseph E. Johnston, whose statue stands on West Crawford Street in downtown Dalton, had both sides of the mountain manned with soldiers to protect Dalton, as well as to defend the Army and the railroad. Union Gen. William T. Sherman planned on taking out Dalton, said Boyd Whitfield, president of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation, who believes Johnston's efforts went a long way in keeping the Union general from doing so. Though the Yankees were kept out of Dalton, they did manage to take over one of Tunnel Hill's finer homes, the Clisby Austin House. Built in 1848 by Clisby Austin, the house - a mansion in its day - sits within sight distance of the tunnel. Clisby Austin came to Tunnel Hill in the early 1840s as a merchant when the tunnel was being developed, said Kenneth Holcomb, who currently owns the house. He moved to East Tennessee when the war broke out because he was a Union sympathizer. His son, James Austin, stayed behind and ran a hotel and a salon in Tunnel Hill. James Austin served in the Tunnel Guards, a Georgia home guard unit. Unlike his father, his loyalties were Southern in nature. For a while, the Confederates used the Clisby Austin House for a hospital. After they fell back, and the Union Army moved in, Sherman made the house his headquarters. It is said he planned the final legs of the Atlanta campaign under the roof of the house. After the war, the Austins returned to their home. Since then it has changed hands many times. Today, the Clisby Austin is occupied by Delores Holcomb. The Austin family cemetery is located on a hill across from the home. Although Rebecca Austin, the mother of Clisby Austin, has the only remaining headstone, as many as 17 others may be buried there. Heading north out of Tunnel Hill, on Tunnel Hill-Varnell Road, is the Old Foster Cemetery. According to Sowder, two members of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation were walking in the Old Foster Cemetery back in April of 1995 when they happened upon row after row of bumps and depressions. "Do you see what I see?" Teresa Sheram asked Carolyn Watkins. One hundred thirty-years after the Civil War, the one-time burial place of 90 soldiers was rediscovered. A suggestion was made to open several of the grave sites to see who was buried there. After meeting legal requirements, an archeological dig was set in motion. Surprisingly, no bodies were found. Coffin handles, porcelain buttons, square nails and a rubber button that had been carved into a ring were found, but no soldiers. In August of the same year the mystery was solved through information discovered in Georgia State archives. A scrapbook detailed the removal of the Confederate dead from the battlefields of Chickamauga, Ringgold and the Tunnel Hill cemetery. Ninety bodies were unearthed, explained Whitfield, and were put in coffins and sent to Marietta. The soldiers with headstones were left behind. Only the unknowns were taken. Those wishing to visit the ones left behind should have no trouble finding the cemetery. The Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation recently put a granite marker up, making the site easy to spot. The old train depot, built in 1850, still stands in downtown Tunnel Hill. During the Civil War, Union soldiers attempted to destroy it. According to Sowder, they burnt the roof and the platform but were unable to knock down the foot-thick walls. Owned by ConAgra, today the building is not in use. This year marked the beginning of a new tradition in Tunnel Hill. The first annual Celtic and Heritage Festival was held last month, and plans for next year's follow-up festival are in the works. According to Whitfield, the day was a success. Celtic crafters set up booths, bagpipers piped, musicians played folks songs and Highland dancers entertained as visitors enjoyed food from the old country. The Celtic celebration was just part of what the festival was about. At the other end of the spectrum was the American Indian observance. Various individuals, decked out in full Indian regalia, attended and set up booths displaying their wares. "It is a good event promoting the two cultures coming together," stated Nancy Crowe, who was in attendance. The Scottish along with the Irish were the first white settlers in the area and they intermarried with the Cherokees, according to historians. Highway 41 in Tunnel Hill is part of the Trail of Tears, pointed out Whitfield. That was the road that actually came through Cherokee territory. ©Daily Citizen 2002 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:55:55 -0500 From: "Kenton & Penni Dickerson" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA Tunnel Hill is about 10 miles northwest of Dalton, GA. on US Hwy 41. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Brown" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA > Where in Georgia is this place? We Yankees don't get this kind of > material in school. Nearby towns, highways (sorry about that!) or > present-day railroads would help place this very interesting story in > some kind of context for those of us from north of Tennessee. > > Thanks and regards! > > Geoff Brown > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net > [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of > jdent1_@_optonline.net > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:59 PM > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Subject: (rshsdepot) Tunnel Hill, GA > > > History, hauntings among treasures in Tunnel Hill > > By: Connie Scott, For The Daily Citizen October 06, 2002 > > TUNNEL HILL - The Western and Atlantic Tunnel is the city's claim to > fame, > but what many folks don't know is that there's much more to see in > Tunnel > Hill than just a couple of tunnels. > Battlegrounds, unspoiled cannon and riffle pits, festivals and > re-enactments, Confederate cemeteries and a restored antebellum > mansion are > just a few hot spots the town has to offer. > The first train passed through Tunnel Hill's Western Atlantic Tunnel > in > 1850. The tunnel, 1,477 feet long, was the first railroad tunnel > built > south of the Mason-Dixon line and was the last section of track to be > laid > on the Western and Atlantic Railway's mainline, which ran from what > is now > known as Atlanta to the Tennessee River. It was the first railroad to > successfully link the Atlantic Ocean with the Mississippi River. > The North and South fought over control of the tunnel during the > Civil War. > In later years, troops passed through the tunnel on their way to wars > in > other countries. > In 1916 a circus clown riding atop a train was nearly decapitated at > the > tunnel's entrance when he sat up at the wrong time, creating a > somewhat > spooky town legend. > As time went by, builders began making trains too large to pass > through the > tunnel. The railways stopped using it, a second tunnel was built > beside the > first, and rail traffic was re-routed. > By the early 1990s kudzu had taken over and Tunnel Hill's namesake > was all > but forgotten. It wasn't until the railroad started shoveling dirt in > that > the townspeople got a wake-up call. > Kenneth Holcomb and other Tunnel Hillians stepped forward, saved the > tunnel > and set about restoration. Today, the tunnel has been restored and is > being > enjoyed by new generations. > Though the tracks have been removed and an iron gate guards its > entrance, > the tunnel still stands. It is opened for tours during the town's > annual > Civil War re-enactments, and plans are currently underway to build a > park > and have the tunnel open full time. > Just a hop and a skip from the two tunnels is property owned by > Kenneth and > Barbara Holcomb. It is on this land that some of the bloodiest > battles of > the Civil War occurred. > Some believe the battlefields are haunted. According to re-enactor > Kenneth > Sumner of Woodstock, the place abounds with paranormal activity. > Prompted > by interviews with Sumner that ran in the Whitfield-Murray Advertiser > in > October of 1999 and an article that ran in Fate magazine in August of > this > year, the Georgia branch of The Foundation for Paranormal Research > conducted investigations in Tunnel Hill. The findings can be viewed > by > logging onto its Web site > (www.paranormalresearchonline.com/investiga_tunnelhill.html). > Ghosts or no ghosts, each year, in an effort to remember those who > suffered > there, the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation hosts a re-enactment > recreating > battle scenes. In addition to the battle, campsites representing the > North > and the South are set up for visitors to get a feel for what life was > like > for soldiers in 1864. > Food, crafts and novelty items are sold; church services are held on > the > Sunday of the re-enactment; and a ladies tea is hosted. > "The re-enactment is our flagship," said Marvin Sowder, vice > president of > the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation and president of the > Whitfield-Murray > Historic Foundation. "The re-enactment is held on Saturday and Sunday > each > year, but on Fridays we open it up to area schools. They get a living > history demonstration. They get to see cavalry men on horses, ladies > spinning thread, cannons loaded and fired, and they hear the history > of the > tunnel and the events that happened there." > On top of the mountain behind the battlefields, there are still > cannon and > rifle pits in pristine condition. The embankments were built by > Confederate > troops to keep the Union troops back. Gen. Joseph E. Johnston, whose > statue > stands on West Crawford Street in downtown Dalton, had both sides of > the > mountain manned with soldiers to protect Dalton, as well as to defend > the > Army and the railroad. > Union Gen. William T. Sherman planned on taking out Dalton, said Boyd > Whitfield, president of the Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation, who > believes > Johnston's efforts went a long way in keeping the Union general from > doing > so. > Though the Yankees were kept out of Dalton, they did manage to take > over > one of Tunnel Hill's finer homes, the Clisby Austin House. > Built in 1848 by Clisby Austin, the house - a mansion in its day - > sits > within sight distance of the tunnel. > Clisby Austin came to Tunnel Hill in the early 1840s as a merchant > when the > tunnel was being developed, said Kenneth Holcomb, who currently owns > the > house. He moved to East Tennessee when the war broke out because he > was a > Union sympathizer. His son, James Austin, stayed behind and ran a > hotel and > a salon in Tunnel Hill. > James Austin served in the Tunnel Guards, a Georgia home guard unit. > Unlike > his father, his loyalties were Southern in nature. > For a while, the Confederates used the Clisby Austin House for a > hospital. > After they fell back, and the Union Army moved in, Sherman made the > house > his headquarters. It is said he planned the final legs of the Atlanta > campaign under the roof of the house. > After the war, the Austins returned to their home. Since then it has > changed hands many times. Today, the Clisby Austin is occupied by > Delores > Holcomb. > The Austin family cemetery is located on a hill across from the home. > Although Rebecca Austin, the mother of Clisby Austin, has the only > remaining headstone, as many as 17 others may be buried there. > Heading north out of Tunnel Hill, on Tunnel Hill-Varnell Road, is the > Old > Foster Cemetery. > According to Sowder, two members of the Tunnel Hill Historic > Foundation > were walking in the Old Foster Cemetery back in April of 1995 when > they > happened upon row after row of bumps and depressions. > "Do you see what I see?" Teresa Sheram asked Carolyn Watkins. > One hundred thirty-years after the Civil War, the one-time burial > place of > 90 soldiers was rediscovered. > A suggestion was made to open several of the grave sites to see who > was > buried there. After meeting legal requirements, an archeological dig > was > set in motion. Surprisingly, no bodies were found. > Coffin handles, porcelain buttons, square nails and a rubber button > that > had been carved into a ring were found, but no soldiers. > In August of the same year the mystery was solved through information > discovered in Georgia State archives. A scrapbook detailed the > removal of > the Confederate dead from the battlefields of Chickamauga, Ringgold > and the > Tunnel Hill cemetery. > Ninety bodies were unearthed, explained Whitfield, and were put in > coffins > and sent to Marietta. The soldiers with headstones were left behind. > Only > the unknowns were taken. > Those wishing to visit the ones left behind should have no trouble > finding > the cemetery. The Tunnel Hill Historic Foundation recently put a > granite > marker up, making the site easy to spot. > The old train depot, built in 1850, still stands in downtown Tunnel > Hill. > During the Civil War, Union soldiers attempted to destroy it. > According to > Sowder, they burnt the roof and the platform but were unable to knock > down > the foot-thick walls. Owned by ConAgra, today the building is not in > use. > This year marked the beginning of a new tradition in Tunnel Hill. The > first > annual Celtic and Heritage Festival was held last month, and plans > for next > year's follow-up festival are in the works. > According to Whitfield, the day was a success. Celtic crafters set up > booths, bagpipers piped, musicians played folks songs and Highland > dancers > entertained as visitors enjoyed food from the old country. > The Celtic celebration was just part of what the festival was about. > At the > other end of the spectrum was the American Indian observance. Various > individuals, decked out in full Indian regalia, attended and set up > booths > displaying their wares. > "It is a good event promoting the two cultures coming together," > stated > Nancy Crowe, who was in attendance. The Scottish along with the Irish > were > the first white settlers in the area and they intermarried with the > Cherokees, according to historians. > Highway 41 in Tunnel Hill is part of the Trail of Tears, pointed out > Whitfield. That was the road that actually came through Cherokee > territory. > > ©Daily Citizen 2002 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of > existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #487 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <115380-220021028133715251_@_M2W034.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:37:15 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Pennsylvania Station, NY From the New York Times=2E=2E=2E October 8, 2002 Deal Revives Delayed Plan for Train Hub By CHARLES V=2E BAGLI Gov=2E George E=2E Pataki has struck an agreement with the United States P= ostal Service to buy the James A=2E Farley Building on Eighth Avenue to turn the= two-block-long building into a new glass-covered Pennsylvania Station=2E The agreement would be a major step forward for the nearly 10-year-old, $788 million project, which seeks to transform the post office into a landmark transportation hub for the Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit, Amtrak and the subway system=2E The Farley Building, which is on Eighth Avenue between 31st and 33rd Streets, was designed by McKim, Mead &= White, architects of the original Pennsylvania Station, which was demolished in the early 1960's in a move that spawned the landmark preservation movement in New York City=2E Beneath the building lay Amtrak'= s underground passenger platforms=2E The plan for a new Pennsylvania Station appeared to unravel after the attack on the World Trade Center a year ago, when the Postal Service said it would need the space at the Farley Building because its Church Street Station, near the trade center, had been severely damaged=2E The Postal Service also seemed to be generally reluctant to part with the Midtown building=2E But state officials pressed forward, and according to a person familiar with the project reached a tentative agreement to buy the landmark buildin= g for about $230 million=2E Diane Todd, a spokeswoman for the Postal Service in New York, said that th= e board of governors met in closed session yesterday and that any announcements resulting from the meeting would be made today=2E State and city officials have long said that the project would help alleviate the crowded conditions at the existing rail and subway station beneath Madison Square Garden and enable the hub to handle a projected 30 percent increase in ridership=2E State and city officials also plan to set aside about half the 1=2E4-million-square-foot building for retail and commercial development b= y private companies=2E Officials are hoping that the project would expand an= d improve public transportation and spur development along a five-block corridor that stretches from Madison Square Garden on Seventh Avenue to 12th Avenue between 30th and 34th Streets=2E There are plans to extend the= No=2E 7 subway line from Times Square to the area, as well as proposals to= build a football stadium for the New York Jets football team over the nearby West Side rail yards=2E Under the terms of the agreement, the Postal Service would consolidate mos= t of its operations at the Morgan Station and annex on Ninth Avenue, between= 28th and 30th Streets=2E The Postal Service will continue to occupy about 200,000 square feet in the Farley Building, including the historic retail post office=2E The project, which would take about five years to complete, would be developed under a partnership of the Staubach Company and Fraport A=2EG=2E-Frankfurt Airport Services Worldwide=2E The project seemed to gain new momentum in August, when the Bloomberg administration said planning for the project was back on track=2E Mayor Michael R=2E Bloomberg then also announced two appointments to the board o= f the Pennsylvania Station Redevelopment Corporation: Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the former senator and a champion of the project, and Susan Molinari, the former representative from Staten Island=2E Copyright The New York Times Company - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <198950-22002102817577842_@_M2W098.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:57:07 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE From Railway Preservation News=2E=2E=2E Before and after photos at: http://www=2Erypn=2Eorg/Briefs/october2002/021008=2Ehtm =2E=2E=2EProjects in Wilmington, Delaware The former Baltimore and Ohio Railroad train station near the Wilmington, DE waterfront has been restored at a cost of over a million dollars=2E The= station designed by Frank Furness as part of the 1886 contract awarded to his firm by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad's president, John Garrett=2E T= he station was last used as a freight station in the late 1970's, or early 1980's, when freight cars of newsprint and spirits were delivered to local= businesses=2E Since then the station has been vacant, and vandals and weat= her took a hard toll on the eloquent old building=2E=20 The original restoration plan was to turn the station into a cyber caf=E9,= but that didn't work out=2E So, currently, ING Direct, the company that restored the station, is using it for office space=2E An interesting part = of the restoration is that the entire upper portion of the building was raise= d up to allow for a new foundation and a total rebuilding of the first floor= brickwork=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E The Riverfront Wilmington website (http://www=2Eriverfrontwilmington=2Ecom/index=2Easp) has lots of other gr= eat photos of Wilmington's waterfront area=2E (Tom Gears)=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:36:07 -0400 From: "James Kelling" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE I believe this station was only a transfer point between the B&O and PRR, since the B&O had a large station (long since demolished) on its own line at Delaware Ave. >>> "jdent1_@_optonline.net" 10/08/02 01:57PM >>> From Railway Preservation News... Before and after photos at: http://www.rypn.org/Briefs/october2002/021008.htm ...Projects in Wilmington, Delaware The former Baltimore and Ohio Railroad train station near the Wilmington, DE waterfront has been restored at a cost of over a million dollars. The station designed by Frank Furness as part of the 1886 contract awarded to his firm by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad's president, John Garrett. The station was last used as a freight station in the late 1970's, or early 1980's, when freight cars of newsprint and spirits were delivered to local businesses. Since then the station has been vacant, and vandals and weather took a hard toll on the eloquent old building. The original restoration plan was to turn the station into a cyber caf=E9, but that didn't work out. So, currently, ING Direct, the company that restored the station, is using it for office space. An interesting part of the restoration is that the entire upper portion of the building was raised up to allow for a new foundation and a total rebuilding of the first floor brickwork. .... The Riverfront Wilmington website (http://www.riverfrontwilmington.com/index.asp) has lots of other great photos of Wilmington's waterfront area. (Tom Gears) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DThe Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00a101c26f02$ef0512a0$17a79840_@_0020223609> References: <198950-22002102817577842_@_M2W098.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:43:01 -0400 From: "Steven Delibert" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE You can see this building from Pennsy - er, Amtrak NE Corridor trains, just to the east of the mainline. Note the catenary in the background of the first picture in the article Jim cites. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE From Railway Preservation News... Before and after photos at: http://www.rypn.org/Briefs/october2002/021008.htm ...Projects in Wilmington, Delaware The former Baltimore and Ohio Railroad train station near the Wilmington, DE waterfront has been restored at a cost of over a million dollars. The ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #488 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000b01c27000$20f2f720$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:55:37 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: Fw: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE - ----- Original Message ----- From: > what is not mentioned in the e-mail is that ING is now renting the former PRR > office building behind the Wilmington station. One of the first steps in > preparing the building was removing the 2nd floor catwalk connecting the > office building to the station. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000c01c2700f$3cc29280$1158f6d1_@_name> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:43:43 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE Should I know what ING abbreviates? IS there a picture of the catwalk? Thanks, Paul Luchter - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Dent To: RSHS List Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Fw: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE - ----- Original Message ----- From: > what is not mentioned in the e-mail is that ING is now renting the former PRR > office building behind the Wilmington station. One of the first steps in > preparing the building was removing the 2nd floor catwalk connecting the > office building to the station. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #489 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <021c01c27044$e66c9d00$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:07:54 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) West Point, GA West Point looks at depot renovation By CY WOOD Editor-Publisher - Valley Times-News Published Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:04 AM EDT WEST POINT -- A dilapidated railroad depot in West Point could become the cornerstone of the city's redevelopment under Georgia's Better Hometown program. The Design Committee of West Point's Better Hometown program updated city leaders and committee members on plans that are being developed to convert the old railroad depot, located off Highway 29 not far from the Alabama state line, into a museum and multi-purpose meeting facility. Meeting Tuesday evening at the home of Bob and Jeannene Mullins in Booker Hills, the committee presented updates on a number of projects now under consideration and got a report on potential funding mechanisms from a state Department of Community Affairs representative. Delores Wooley reported on the depot restoration project, saying that a "real passion" has developed for restoring the facility and that volunteers are willing to invest a lot of work and energy into the project. Wooley said the restoration committee envisions a museum that will showcase the industries that have evolved in West Point, beginning with the railroad, which brought the city into being, followed by textiles, telecommunications and the river itself. "The structure is there, and it will provide a perfect gateway into the city," she said, adding that Bruce Lanier III, a Birmingham architect from West Point, has indicated a desire to help design the renovations. She said that committee members have located a Chattahoochee Valley Railroad engine and caboose elsewhere that could conceivably be relocated to the museum site. She stressed that the plans for the depot would not be a drain on the city. It might not be a profitable operation, she said, but the facility, once renovated, could be self-sustaining. She put the cost of the project in the $400,000 to $500,000 range. Corinne Blencoe of DCA explained some of the grant and loan programs available that might help underwrite part of the renovation cost. Those grants ranged from a $10,000 Local Development Fund program that requires a 50 percent local match all the way up to Transportation Enhancement Act grants of up to $800,000. Low-interest loan funds, now at three percent with a 10-year payback, are also available. Blencoe said private foundation funds might also be available for the depot project. Tami Robison, who along with Mrs. Mullins co-chairs the Better Hometown Design Committee, said the committee "hopes to get the ball rolling" with the depot project, and that other projects are also under consideration. She mentioned a river walk with a pedestrian bridge over the river between the Hawkes Library and City Hall as one proposal, and a riverside park as another. Stephen Johnson of the city's Historic Preservation Committee reported that he hoped to have the city's downtown National Register application ready for submission by December and Charles Kelley of the Troup County Archives reported on a project under way to sonar map, catalog and perhaps later excavate artifacts from the river bottom in West Point. Tony Collins, a committee member and board member of the Greater Valley Area Chamber of Commerce, said that West Point had a tremendous heritage. At the present time, he said, the city faces many problems, but he could see the depot project providing a "tremendous uplift to the community." "There's no hidden agenda here," Collins said. "It's something people can get excited about." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <025e01c27053$68a426e0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:51:45 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) End of the line for the LIRR? (and Metro-North, too) End Of The Line? LIRR name may disappear under MTA reorganization By Joie Tyrrell Staff Writer - Newsday October 10, 2002 The LIRR will merge with the Metro-North line as part of a sweeping restructuring of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority that could mean the end of the name that has graced Long Island rail cars for 168 years. MTA officials yesterday announced a corporate-style reorganization to create five companies, each with a single transportation mission, including a merged company over both commuter rail services called MTA Rail Road. The new-look MTA includes companies for rail, subways, buses, bridges and tunnels and a new company that will oversee all major building projects. MTA officials predict the mergers will save hundreds of millions of dollars without affecting service. Still, it was unclear yesterday whether the MTA will keep the LIRR name, although the agency's news release did refer to the service as "formerly Long Island Rail Road." "The stabilization and expansion of the region's economy requires a regional approach to the provision of commuter rail services and the new MTA Rail Road will provide that focus well into the 21st Century," said MTA chairman Peter S. Kalikow. Plans also call for the merging of all MTA-run bus operations into one, MTA Bus, including Long Island Bus in Nassau County. The mergers are expected to be complete by 2004. Kalikow would not confirm if the LIRR name will change. MTA press secretary Tom Kelly said a decision has not been made. The consolidation was devised by the MTA's executive director, Katie Lapp, and the MTA staff after Gov. George Pataki issued a directive last year telling state agencies and authorities to look for ways to save money by making their operations more effective and efficient, according to Pataki press secretary Joseph Conway. In addition to a merged commuter rail system, a new company called MTA Capital will handle all major building and expansion programs, including the LIRR's plans for East Side access into Grand Central Terminal scheduled for 2011. "We didn't quite have a place to put a project like that, and this capital company would solve that problem," Kalikow said. Projects could also include Metro-North's entry into Penn Station. Regarding the rail services, Kalikow said most rank-and-file transit workers will be unaffected as current collective bargaining agreements will remain in place. Kalikow said he did not know how many management jobs would be affected. "We would hope we could do this on a very painless basis, and we think we can," he said, with riders noticing only cosmetic changes, Kalikow added. Union officials said yesterday that they were taking a wait-and-see approach. President Kenneth Bauer was unavailable for comment. Some commuters waiting yesterday for LIRR trains were skeptical of the change. "I have a feeling when things get bigger, they get less efficient," said Dan McInerney, 24, of West Islip as he waited at the Babylon train station. The LIRR, created in 1834 and part of the MTA since 1968, transports 277,200 riders each weekday, more than any other commuter line in the nation. Metro-North, which stretches north of the city and into Connecticut, transports 252,600 riders each weekday and joined the MTA in 1976. Commuter advocacy groups reached yesterday were stunned by the news. "Hopefully, it will eliminate any competition [for resources] between the two commuter railroads that had been there," said Peter Haynes, president of the LIRR Commuters Campaign Inc. "Wow," said Barbara Josepher, chair of the Long Island Rail Road Commuter's Council. "There should be cooperation among the agencies, and this will force it." But Larry Silverman, former chair of the council, questioned whether Long Islanders will get a fair piece of the MTA pie. "The LIRR historically has received less in the way of resources and attention than Metro-North, which is undisputably a better-run railroad," he said. "Who's going to advocate separately for the needs of Long Island?" In recent years, though, the LIRR has narrowed the performance gap. The latest figures show Metro-North with a 97.8 percent on-time record and LIRR at 94.7. In other components of the plan, the MTA will create a company called MTA Subway, which will operate the city subway system and the Staten Island Railway, which serves 14,000 riders each day. The MTA Bridges and Tunnels entity, which currently operates seven bridges and two passenger-car tunnels, will retain its current corporate structure. Scott Trommer, a director of public finance at Fitch Ratings, said the reorganization mirrors a recent consolidation of the MTA's bond issues. "The authority has been increasingly consolidating various functions," he said. The MTA plans to submit the plan to the state legislature by the end of this year, with a goal of implementing it fully by Jan. 1, 2004. Staff writers Bobby Cuza, Bart Jones and Jordan Rau contributed to this story. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #490 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <051801c2710d$831ffb60$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:03:56 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Pine River, MN City drops condemnation order on depot By Christine Lupella, Journal Editor clupella_@_pineriverjournal.com The century-old building that has been a focus of controversy in Pine River for the last two years gained another life Tuesday night when the Pine River City Council voted to drop its condemnation order. Approximately 30 depot supporters--along with Lakeland Television News--filled the council chambers for the meeting. Two years ago, the council issued a condemnation order to the Burlington-Northern-Sante Fe Railroad, which owned the depot at the time. "The railroad was not taking any responsibility for the dilapidated condition of that building," said City Attorney Ted Lundrigan. "We brought our action to have this building fixed up or hauled away," Within two months, the depot and surrounding property was sold to the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT). The city issued a duplicate condemnation order to MnDOT--again to either "fix it up or haul it away." Since then, "Nothing has really changed except that we have learned we have an historical eyesore rather than a common eyesore," Lundrigan said. The depot was declared eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Lundrigan explained that the Attorney General--MnDOT's attorney--demanded that the city drop the condemnation order. If the city did not do so, Lundrigan said MnDOT intends to take the city to court for previous expenses. MnDOT offered to transfer the ownership of the building to the city--although originally, MnDOT was supposed to provide a sum of money equal to the cost of tearing the building down, which could be used to pay for moving the building off MnDOT property. However, at this point, Lundrigan said, "MnDOT says it doesn't have the money." The city originally used the hazardous building act to condemn the depot. At the time, the depot had numerous broken windows, and the building was relatively easy to enter. Since then, the windows and doors have been covered with plywood to prevent unauthorized entry. "They (MnDOT) may be able to say, 'We have done what was needed to be done, '" Lundrigan said. "It'll come down to (this): will the city receive this building," Lundrigan said, "Or will it stay with the State of Minnesota in its current condition." Lundrigan said the city has no power to "wreck" the building if it is no longer declared a hazard, because the depot belongs to the state and is on land that belongs to the state as well. Council member Jim Sabas made a motion to rescind the original condemnation order. Council member Merrill Nelson seconded the motion, which passed unanimously. Mayor Robert Fladung ask three times whether any council member wished to make a motion to accept city ownership of the depot. There was silence. Fladung then asked whether any council members wished to make a motion to not accept city ownership of the depot. Sabas made the motion, which passed unanimously. "If the building once again takes a turn for the worse," Lundrigan said, "We can still use the same statute that we've used in the past. But I would think it would have to be a pretty severe step down the road." "I've been after this one for a long time," he added. "There just doesn't seem to be a solution to this obvious eyesore." Pat Johnson, a member of Heritage Group North (HGN), Inc., the non-profit group that has been raising funds for a depot restoration project during the past year, asked what their next step should be. The Mayor suggested that HGN members attend the October 22 council planning meeting. "Mayor, don't forget we don't own that building," Lundrigan said, adding that MnDOT should be at any meetings involving the depot. Curt Eastlund of MnDOT said that in this situation, MnDOT has not been listening to its attorney--who had recommended "handing the building off" to the city as soon as possible last year. "All other things staying stable, there's nothing forcing us to do anything with that building," Eastlund said. Alan Johnson of HGN asked how his organization would acquire the building if the city does not own it. Eastlund said that MnDOT can only give property away to a government body, such as a city or county. MnDOT property cannot be given to private groups or individuals. In that situation, MnDOT is required to put the property up for bid. Local businesses support depot restoration John Wetrosky, Executive Director of the Pine River Chamber of Commerce, explained the Chamber's view of a depot restoration project. "We asked the city to come to a solution for that building, and the council, to its credit, did that," Wetrosky said. The Chamber did not have a position on the depot, Wetrosky said, until people began exploring historical preservation. Then, Wetrosky said, "The Chamber took a different look." He said knowing what they do about area growth, as well as interest and pride in local history, the Chamber unanimously adopted a resolution to support the effort to move, restore and preserve the depot. "We feel that it would be an asset," Wetrosky said. "I know how much of an attraction is even in the condition it's in." Wetrosky works at the nearby Pine River Information Center, located directly across the Paul Bunyan Trail from the depot. Wetrosky said people frequently ask about the depot, and whether they can "take a peek" inside. "We agree that it is an eyesore," said Johnson. "We think maybe, at no cost to the city, we can change that. We appreciate the opportunity." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002701c2718f$082994c0$f1ab9840_@_name> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:30:59 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Pine River, MN This one should win an award for most convoluted bureaucratic pretzel logic in relation to a depot... The hikers, the tourists, the people who look about them, love it as it is (which I still argue is a valid use for an abandoned station, it is not used for rail anymore...not all Roman baths are not still used usually if they survive, sometimes they are not even preserved, so an abandoned station sitting and becoming one with nature is as valid as fixing it up for some productive use, to an anthropologist or a romantic, at least) But all these various entities don't have many valid reasons for what they do, much of it seems spiteful, or playing games to fit the rules, they can pardon murderers and they can't pardon the station? I will stop raving now...I guess the nature of this depot's odd bureaucratic manipulations.... Paul From: Bernie Wagenblast To: Rail Depot List Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: (rshsdepot) Pine River, MN City drops condemnation order on depot By Christine Lupella, Journal Editor clupella_@_pineriverjournal.com The century-old building that has been a focus of controversy in Pine River for the last two years gained another life Tuesday night when the Pine River City Council voted to drop its condemnation order. Approximately 30 depot supporters--along with Lakeland Television News--filled the council chambers for the meeting. Two years ago, the council issued a condemnation order to the Burlington-Northern-Sante Fe Railroad, which owned the depot at the time. "The railroad was not taking any responsibility for the dilapidated condition of that building," said City Attorney Ted Lundrigan. "We brought our action to have this building fixed up or hauled away," Within two months, the depot and surrounding property was sold to the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT). The city issued a duplicate condemnation order to MnDOT--again to either "fix it up or haul it away." Since then, "Nothing has really changed except that we have learned we have an historical eyesore rather than a common eyesore," Lundrigan said. The depot was declared eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Lundrigan explained that the Attorney General--MnDOT's attorney--demanded that the city drop the condemnation order. If the city did not do so, Lundrigan said MnDOT intends to take the city to court for previous expenses. MnDOT offered to transfer the ownership of the building to the city--although originally, MnDOT was supposed to provide a sum of money equal to the cost of tearing the building down, which could be used to pay for moving the building off MnDOT property. However, at this point, Lundrigan said, "MnDOT says it doesn't have the money." The city originally used the hazardous building act to condemn the depot. At the time, the depot had numerous broken windows, and the building was relatively easy to enter. Since then, the windows and doors have been covered with plywood to prevent unauthorized entry. "They (MnDOT) may be able to say, 'We have done what was needed to be done, '" Lundrigan said. "It'll come down to (this): will the city receive this building," Lundrigan said, "Or will it stay with the State of Minnesota in its current condition." Lundrigan said the city has no power to "wreck" the building if it is no longer declared a hazard, because the depot belongs to the state and is on land that belongs to the state as well. Council member Jim Sabas made a motion to rescind the original condemnation order. Council member Merrill Nelson seconded the motion, which passed unanimously. Mayor Robert Fladung ask three times whether any council member wished to make a motion to accept city ownership of the depot. There was silence. Fladung then asked whether any council members wished to make a motion to not accept city ownership of the depot. Sabas made the motion, which passed unanimously. "If the building once again takes a turn for the worse," Lundrigan said, "We can still use the same statute that we've used in the past. But I would think it would have to be a pretty severe step down the road." "I've been after this one for a long time," he added. "There just doesn't seem to be a solution to this obvious eyesore." Pat Johnson, a member of Heritage Group North (HGN), Inc., the non-profit group that has been raising funds for a depot restoration project during the past year, asked what their next step should be. The Mayor suggested that HGN members attend the October 22 council planning meeting. "Mayor, don't forget we don't own that building," Lundrigan said, adding that MnDOT should be at any meetings involving the depot. Curt Eastlund of MnDOT said that in this situation, MnDOT has not been listening to its attorney--who had recommended "handing the building off" to the city as soon as possible last year. "All other things staying stable, there's nothing forcing us to do anything with that building," Eastlund said. Alan Johnson of HGN asked how his organization would acquire the building if the city does not own it. Eastlund said that MnDOT can only give property away to a government body, such as a city or county. MnDOT property cannot be given to private groups or individuals. In that situation, MnDOT is required to put the property up for bid. Local businesses support depot restoration John Wetrosky, Executive Director of the Pine River Chamber of Commerce, explained the Chamber's view of a depot restoration project. "We asked the city to come to a solution for that building, and the council, to its credit, did that," Wetrosky said. The Chamber did not have a position on the depot, Wetrosky said, until people began exploring historical preservation. Then, Wetrosky said, "The Chamber took a different look." He said knowing what they do about area growth, as well as interest and pride in local history, the Chamber unanimously adopted a resolution to support the effort to move, restore and preserve the depot. "We feel that it would be an asset," Wetrosky said. "I know how much of an attraction is even in the condition it's in." Wetrosky works at the nearby Pine River Information Center, located directly across the Paul Bunyan Trail from the depot. Wetrosky said people frequently ask about the depot, and whether they can "take a peek" inside. "We agree that it is an eyesore," said Johnson. "We think maybe, at no cost to the city, we can change that. We appreciate the opportunity." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #491 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <071501c271fa$04908ce0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:16:54 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Brookfield, IL Brookfield train station to receive repairs By Kate Thayer/Staff writer Brookfield residents will see improvements to the Prairie Avenue train station, with the help of two donations. Village Manager David Owen said one of the three stations in the village will receive repairs such as lighting upgrades, window repairs, as well as new landscaping and repairs to the pedestrian shelters. The work will be funded by a $60,000 grant from Metra and a $29,000 grant from the West Suburban Mass Transit Fund. The village also will contribute an additional $14,000 to the West Suburban Mass Transit Fund donation. The Village Board will vote to send out design and bidding requests for the project during its next meeting at 6:30 p.m. Monday, Oct. 14, at Village Hall, 8820 Brookfield Ave. If a design comes back with repairs costing less than the $103,000 to be used for the project, the Village Board can choose to spend the money for any additional station improvements, Owen said. Owen said while the village's ``zoo stop,'' the Hollywood train station, does not need many repairs, the Congress Park station needs work. However, because there are only about 60 riders for that station, Owen said it is hard to obtain funds, such as the grant for the Prairie Avenue station. According to a 1999 survey, the Prairie Avenue station has 648 riders. Owen said a new survey is under way to determine the station's ridership today, and will be available in January. He added since the 1999 survey showed a 15 percent increase, the figure likely will be up about that much. Owen also said Metra officials wanted to close the Congress Park train station, but any such action was delayed until a master plan is in place for the village. The Village Board approved the requests for proposals, which will be sent to about 30 planning firms, last month. Owen said the proposals to develop a master plan, which serves as a blueprint for a village during the next 10 to 20 years, will be returned by the end of the month and interviews will begin. ``I talked them out of closing it until we embark on a plan,'' Owen said. ``The planner may say we should close the station, but there is a lot of room for growth in that area.'' Village President Bill Russ said future economic development would bring more ridership to the Congress Park station. With plans in place for a new CVS//pharmacy along Ogden Avenue, Russ has indicated there may be more franchises in the future, but could not comment on any possibilities. ``We would never want to close that station,'' he said. ``It is great to have three.'' Owen said officials from Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad indicated they would pay to build an asphalt walking path, including landscaping, for the Congress Park station. ``I see great potential (for the Congress Park station),'' he said. ``It could develop wonderfully. How many (suburbs) have three train stops in their community?'' ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #492 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20021013.144021.-473335.1.ptrmgtsvc_@_juno.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:05:30 -0400 From: "M. E Allen" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE Does anybody know of a published track diagram of the area circa late seventies? IIRC, there was parallel Chessie System trackage along side of the NEC embankment and a small freight yard roughly opposite the B&O Station which had what must have been the prototype for the Revel Engine House model. AMTK used it for MOW storage for a while. I believe there is a high-rise office there now. MEA On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:57:07 -0400 "jdent1_@_optonline.net" writes: > From Railway Preservation News... > Before and after photos at: > http://www.rypn.org/Briefs/october2002/021008.htm > > ...Projects in Wilmington, Delaware > > The former Baltimore and Ohio Railroad train station near the Wilmington, DE waterfront has been restored at a cost of over a million dollars. The station designed by Frank Furness as part of the 1886 contract awarded to his firm by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad's president, John Garrett. The station was last used as a freight station in the late 1970's, or early 1980's, when freight cars of newsprint and spirits were delivered to local businesses. Since then the station has been vacant, and vandals and weather took a hard toll on the eloquent old building. > > The original restoration plan was to turn the station into a cyber café, but that didn't work out. So, currently, ING Direct, the company that restored the station, is using it for office space. An interesting part of the restoration is that the entire upper portion of the building was raised up to allow for a new foundation and a total rebuilding of the first floor brickwork. > > .... > > The Riverfront Wilmington website > (http://www.riverfrontwilmington.com/index.asp) has lots of other > great > photos of Wilmington's waterfront area. > > (Tom Gears) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ================================The Railroad Station Historical > Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #493 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007001c273e8$52d51b60$016af6d1_@_name> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:15:11 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Re: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? Why is there a resume.exe attachment with this message? Is it a virus carrier or something? I thought attachments were excised when sent to this list? Paul - -----Original Message----- From: duane_koss Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? >Hi Everyone, >A few weeks ago, my son and I were down at Bennet, Nebraska for lunch >and found a depot that had been moved up into the town proper about 3- >4 blocks north of the railroad tracks on the south side of Bennet. >There is no sign or indication as to where this depot was located or >what town originally had it. It appears that the local tracks are >part of the old CB&Q line to Nebraska City from Lincoln. Any thoughts >or knowledge of this depot???? >Duane Koss / Blue Springs, MO >BRHS / Lincoln Area Model Railroad Club > >PS. Will post a photo in the files section for a while. Maybe someone >may remember it...Thanks! > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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I thought attachments were excised when sent to this > list? > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: duane_koss > Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? > > > >Hi Everyone, > >A few weeks ago, my son and I were down at Bennet, Nebraska for lunch > >and found a depot that had been moved up into the town proper about 3- > >4 blocks north of the railroad tracks on the south side of Bennet. > >There is no sign or indication as to where this depot was located or > >what town originally had it. It appears that the local tracks are > >part of the old CB&Q line to Nebraska City from Lincoln. Any thoughts > >or knowledge of this depot???? > >Duane Koss / Blue Springs, MO > >BRHS / Lincoln Area Model Railroad Club > > > >PS. Will post a photo in the files section for a while. Maybe someone > >may remember it...Thanks! > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20021015023800.33845.qmail_@_web11804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Art Marsh Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Re: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? Hope Paul did not open the resume attachment! He was just sent the Klez virus from the description you/he gave. Klez (and similar types) spoofs the return email address(s) from a list generated on an infected PC. It may appear to come from a trusted source. The BRHS portion was a dead givaway. The full header will give you the true originator. Paul, You're safe unless you try to open the attachment. Just delete the thing from your email and trash bins. Art - --- Blue Moon Network Administrator wrote: > > BRHSlist? Doesn't look familiar. > > Henry > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Paul S. Luchter wrote: > > > Why is there a resume.exe attachment with this message? Is it a > virus > > carrier or something? I thought attachments were excised when sent > to this > > list? > > > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duane_koss > > Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:56 PM > > Subject: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? > > > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > >A few weeks ago, my son and I were down at Bennet, Nebraska for > lunch > > >and found a depot that had been moved up into the town proper > about 3- > > >4 blocks north of the railroad tracks on the south side of Bennet. > > >There is no sign or indication as to where this depot was located > or > > >what town originally had it. It appears that the local tracks are > > >part of the old CB&Q line to Nebraska City from Lincoln. Any > thoughts > > >or knowledge of this depot???? > > >Duane Koss / Blue Springs, MO > > >BRHS / Lincoln Area Model Railroad Club > > > > > >PS. Will post a photo in the files section for a while. Maybe > someone > > >may remember it...Thanks! > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > > >Free $5 Love Reading > > >Risk Free! > > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/8ZCslB/TM > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of > existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > > J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator > www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting > www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of > existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ===== Art Marsh Fremont, CA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003c01c273f7$bc0118a0$5fd6d23f_@_name> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:05:32 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. [maybe also once Carteret or chrome -Rahway] What can anyone tell me about this line/branch and any stations once or still on it? Thanks, Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003401c273f6$9a134b60$5fd6d23f_@_name> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:57:24 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Re: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? No I didn't open it, but last week on a Returned Mail message I opened the attached message like a dork to see what I wrote but saw it was a .com...oops, ran the anti-virus and it got it in the temp folder...what is with this Klez virus, last spring I would get two, three messages a day with it as an attachment...? Geez.. And this time you are saying it made up a story about a depot as well? That is an impressive virus program.. - -----Original Message----- From: Art Marsh To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Re: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? >Hope Paul did not open the resume attachment! He was just sent the Klez >virus from the description you/he gave. Klez (and similar types) spoofs >the return email address(s) from a list generated on an infected PC. It >may appear to come from a trusted source. The BRHS portion was a dead >givaway. The full header will give you the true originator. > >Paul, You're safe unless you try to open the attachment. Just delete >the thing from your email and trash bins. > >Art >--- Blue Moon Network Administrator wrote: >> >> BRHSlist? Doesn't look familiar. >> >> Henry >> >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Paul S. Luchter wrote: >> >> > Why is there a resume.exe attachment with this message? Is it a >> virus >> > carrier or something? I thought attachments were excised when sent >> to this >> > list? >> > >> > Paul >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: duane_koss >> > Date: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:56 PM >> > Subject: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? >> > >> > >> > >Hi Everyone, >> > >A few weeks ago, my son and I were down at Bennet, Nebraska for >> lunch >> > >and found a depot that had been moved up into the town proper >> about 3- >> > >4 blocks north of the railroad tracks on the south side of Bennet. >> > >There is no sign or indication as to where this depot was located >> or >> > >what town originally had it. It appears that the local tracks are >> > >part of the old CB&Q line to Nebraska City from Lincoln. Any >> thoughts >> > >or knowledge of this depot???? >> > >Duane Koss / Blue Springs, MO >> > >BRHS / Lincoln Area Model Railroad Club >> > > >> > >PS. Will post a photo in the files section for a while. Maybe >> someone >> > >may remember it...Thanks! >> > > >> > > >> > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> ---------------------~--> >> > >Free $5 Love Reading >> > >Risk Free! >> > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/8ZCslB/TM >> > >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ================================= >> > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of >> existing >> > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org >> > >> > >> >> >> J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator >> www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting >> www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services >> >> ================================= >> The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of >> existing >> railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org >> > > >===== >Art Marsh >Fremont, CA > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com >================================= >The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing >railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #494 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c273f6$9a134b60$5fd6d23f_@_name> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Blue Moon Network Administrator Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Re: [BRHSlist] Depot at Bennet, Nebraska....????? It doesn't make up stories on its own, it plagiarises. Some of these worms just take any mail from your inbox or outbox and attaches itself to that and then sends it out TO anyone in your addressbook showing it to be FROM anyone in your addressbook. It's clever, but juvenile all the same. Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Paul S. Luchter wrote: > No I didn't open it, but last week on a Returned Mail message I opened the > attached message like a dork to see what I wrote but saw it was a > .com...oops, ran the anti-virus and it got it in the temp folder...what is > with this Klez virus, last spring I would get two, three messages a day with > it as an attachment...? Geez.. > > And this time you are saying it made up a story about a depot as well? That > is an impressive virus program.. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001901c2748c$8441e670$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:50:38 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Whitefish, MT Pigeons outwitting station's caretakers Several attempts to drive out birds and droppings have failed Associated Press KALISPELL, Mont. _ Pigeons plaguing the Whitefish train station have caretakers worried after several attempts to drive away the birds -- and their droppings -- have failed. Six years ago, Stumptown Historical Society, which owns and maintains the building, installed strips of stainless-steel needles on flat surfaces under the eaves. It was an expensive fix, but historical society members believed it was the most humane method of dealing with the bird problem. What they didn't count on was the pigeons adapting, said Jill Evans, executive director of the historical society. "They're one with the spikes," Evans said. "They've filled them with leaves and sticks and they're nesting in them." The birds don't damage the building, but society members routinely use a power washer to flush out nests and clean up droppings. The pests are particularly unwelcome now that the depot has a new coat of paint. The 1927 landmark was recently restored to its original color scheme, a $40,000 project. "We don't want to kill the birds. We don't want to be politically incorrect, but it's getting to be a health issue," Evans said. The problem became especially bad in 1995, when two key nesting spots were eliminated. The viaduct over the railroad tracks was torn down to make way for a new roadway, and Burlington Northern boarded up vents and broken windows at its roundhouse. That year, Whitefish historian Frank Gregg and other volunteers put up makeshift scarecrows, but those only frightened the birds for a of couple days. They also used pellet guns, but Gregg said that was "like taking on the Chinese army with five men." Poisoning the pigeons would kill other birds, and a sticky chemical that burns the birds' feet when they land was deemed too harsh. Propane cannons that scare the birds can't be used in residential areas. The group now plans to install a different type of wire deterrent on the roof, but Evans said the building may never be completely rid of the birds because they feed on grain from passing railroad cars. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <006801c274d6$9684bca0$c25ff6d1_@_name> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:40:38 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Pigeons at Santa Lucia Venice station NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-10-16-02 ferrovia_vaporetto_stop_with_pigeons.jpg (image/jpeg, 15646 bytes) Here is a picture of pigeons at the Venice main station called Santa Lucia, To see the front grand station and a story about it, see: http://europeforvisitors.com/venice/articles/venice_railroad_station.htm Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #495 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000001c2750d$1d07a4a0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:29:22 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Lancaster, PA Lancaster, Pa, Train Station to Undergo $7 Million Renovation Lancaster New Era Oct. 15--After years of planning, the 73-year-old Lancaster train station on McGovern Avenue is finally going to be restored to its former glory. U.S. Rep. Joe Pitts, flanked by state, county, city and Amtrak officials here this morning, announced a $7 million project to renovate the train station by 2005 and bring it back to what he called the "golden age of railroad." "This station needs and deserves a facelift," Pitts said today, adding that it is the first place many visitors see when they arrive here. Pitts and other officials said the project dovetails with plans to build a high-speed rail line between Philadelphia and Harrisburg as well as the construction of the Lancaster County Convention Center. The Amtrak-owned station, which opened in April 1929, sits on eight acres north of the city. Pitts called the project part of "the exciting renovation and revitalization this city is going through." The project, which involves all levels of government, was stalled as a result of Amtrak's financial woes. But financing for the project came to fruition after the U.S. Transportation Department earmarked nearly $538,000 for PennDOT to make up Amtrak's share and fully fund the work, according to Chris Neumann of the Lancaster County Planning Commission. The project, detailed in the 1998 Lancaster Regional Transportation Station Master Plan, includes numerous interior and exterior improvements. Among them is the realignment of the station driveway with North Duke Street so that Red Rose Transit Authority buses can directly serve the station. Improvements include the creation of a conference room and banquet facility, a new lobby and office for Capitol Trailways, new Amtrak offices and a newsstand and gift shop. The project will include the addition of a new roof, a new heating system, the addition of an air-conditioning system, and the replacement of the massive skylight. Other improvements: a bus island and bus shelter, additional parking, a pedestrian plaza with a granite foundation, and a new storm-water management system. Nearly 280,000 passengers use the station each year, making it the second busiest in Pennsylvania after Philadelphia's 30th Street Station, county planners said. Eleven eastbound and 11 westbound trains stop on weekdays, and six each way stop there on Saturdays and on Sundays. "It is a bigger train station than most in the United States, and when we get it restored it is going to be an absolute showpiece for Lancaster," said Ron Bailey, executive director of the Lancaster County Planning Commission. "This will return the station to its utility and beauty of 1929." Mayor Charlie Smithgall, who also spoke this morning, said he is particularly pleased that RRTA buses will be able to stop at the train station. Currently, buses have no access to pick up or deliver passengers there. "This is going to be truly inter-modal," the mayor said, offering up the image of RRTA buses ferrying train passengers to the new convention center. "This is going to be a tremendous boon for the city. With this spruced up and livened up, it is going to be a good welcoming point for people coming to the city." Bailey said station improvements are needed to accommodate what planners expect will be increased ridership when the $140 million Keystone Corridor high-speed rail project is completed in five years. The Keystone project will modify the Philadelphia-to-Harrisburg tracks for 110 mph electric trains. The next step, Neumann said, will be the selection of a design engineer. Bailey said he hopes for a spring start for construction. Project leaders hope to have the station completed in 2005 so it coincides with the opening of the new convention center. Amtrak completed the first phase of station improvements in 1999 with $1.2 million in renovations to rest rooms and the installation of passenger elevators. Since then, Amtrak's revenues have fallen, forcing cutbacks in service and pleas for financial relief. State Sen. Noah Wenger and other officials attending today's news conference noted that the project shows the county is committed to preserving its heritage and able to foster government cooperation. "You need that cooperation to make things happen," he said. "When everyone gets enthusiastic enough to make a commitment, it can happen." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1c3.29f8a4.2adee28f_@_aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:41:03 EDT From: CoolGuy127_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. In a message dated 10/14/02 11:04:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luckyshow_@_mindspring.com writes: > What can anyone tell me about this line/branch and any stations once or > still on it? This line, now known as Conrail's Chemical Coast Line, was once the line used by the Central Railroad of New Jersey to serve to the North Jersey Coast. Until the Aldene Plan was implemented in April 1967, service to the Jersey Shore was provided by both the Central Railroad of New Jersey and the Pennsylvania Railroad. The two lines separated just north of Perth Amboy, with the PRR trains heading to Woodbridge and then joining the PRR main line near Rahway (the line still used by NJ Transit today), while the CNJ trains heading north on today's Chemical Coast Line to Elizabethport, and then turned east to cross the Newark Bay drawbridge and reach the Jersey City Terminal. I rode this line many times in the early 1960s. As for stations, the only one I can remember was in Elizabeth, just north of the drawbridge there. There was formerly a brick station at this location, but I think it was demolished a number of years ago. I have timetables from the 1960s that show the service on this line and the stations that existed then. Daniel Chazin Teaneck, NJ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:37 -0400 From: "Binck, Chris" Subject: (rshsdepot) Jacksonville, Michigan Looking for historical information, and any current news on what's planned for the old Michigan Central Station in Jacksonville, MI Chris Binck Bergmann Associates binck_@_bergmannpc.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004801c27590$4dff1ba0$1e5ff6d1_@_name> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:50:11 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Communipaw 10/13/2002 NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-10-16-02 oct13_02cnj.jpg (image/jpeg, 67659 bytes) ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #496 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002401c275ce$cfdff930$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:17:42 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Morton, WA Morton depot project moves forward By Jennifer Latson The Chronicle The Morton City Council gave members of the Cowlitz River Valley Historical Society approval to move forward with the Historical Society's plan to relocate the Morton Train Depot during Monday's City Council meeting. The Historical Society has proposed moving the historic depot from its current location on state Route 7, just outside Morton, to a more central location on Main Street. The move is planned as a complement to the railroad restoration project already underway in Morton, and is expected to help draw tourists to the downtown area, according to Historical Society Treasurer Ellie Worsham. Although the project has been planned and will be implemented by the Historical Society, the city is involved in its financing because the main source of funding, a grant from the Washington Heritage Resource Center, can only be accepted by an agency recognized and audited by the state. The city has delayed approving the plan until now because it was hesitant to accept accountability for the large amount of money, and because of the extra work it would entail for City Clerk Sherry Claycamp, said Councilwoman Isabelle Williams. The city will not be responsible for funding any part of the project; it will be involved only in managing the grant money and the money raised by the Historical Society. The Historical Society offered to assemble a three-person team to assist Claycamp with this work, but, she said she would have to decline this offer, explaining, "It's easier for me to do the work myself then to look over someone else's paperwork." She said she appreciated the intention of the offer, but added, "If I'm going to be audited, I need to know what's going on," and have the paperwork in her office. The council discussed hiring a part-time staff member to assist her on this project and in general, recognizing the volume of work she currently handles with one assistant. "We don't have the money for it in this year's budget," said Williams, "but we're going to try to get it in next year's." The Heritage Resource Center grant is for a maximum of $100,000, but is contingent on a match of $100,000 cash and $100,000 in kind, which comprises the donation of time and services toward the project. "We can only use what we match in cash," explained Worsham. "If we can't raise $100,000, we can't use it." According to her calculations, the society does have $100,000 available to match the grant, but she said they could not count on it until they had it in hand. "We have $25,000 cash right now, and $4,000 in confirmed pledges," she said. The society also received a grant from the U.S. Forest Service to use in planning the move and developing the site: this grant is for $25,000 with an additional $6,000 matching requirement. The Forest Service grant can also count as matching funds toward the Heritage grant, Worsham said, as can the market value of the depot, which has been estimated at $45,000. "We're hoping the county will provide some tax dollars, and we're hoping for the help of some of the major businesses in town," in terms of "some service or funds," she added. Of the delay in facilitating the depot move, Williams explained, "Nobody has any problem with it going through; the citizens seem to want it. We just don't want to see our city clerk overtaxed." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:10:48 -0400 From: "Binck, Chris" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Jackson, Michigan correction - it's Jackson, Michigan Looking for historical information, and any current news on what's planned for the old Michigan Central Station in Jackson, MI Chris Binck Bergmann Associates binck_@_bergmannpc.com - -----Original Message----- From: Binck, Chris [mailto:binck_@_BERGMANNPC.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:22 PM To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Jacksonville, Michigan Looking for historical information, and any current news on what's planned for the old Michigan Central Station in Jacksonville, MI Chris Binck Bergmann Associates binck_@_bergmannpc.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Blue Moon Network Administrator Subject: (rshsdepot) Kansas City Union Station Two photos were posted to the ABPR today showing aerial views of KCUS in 1930 and 2000. If you've ever had an interest in this station these are a must see. The changes are (of course) quite dramatic. 1930: http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?october02/10-17-02/UnionStationKansasCityMo1930.jpg 2000: http://abpr2.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?october02/10-17-02/UnionStationKansasCityMo2000.jpg Beware long wrapping URLS with cut-and-paste. They can also be accessed from the page at http://abpr2.railfan.net/abpr.cgi?october02/10-17-02/&st=206 After studying both only one word comes to mind: "Progress???" Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <101220-220021041717298582_@_M2W044.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:29:08 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Claremont, CA From Altamont Press Newsline=2E=2E=2E The Claremont, CA Depot is no original The original train station was torn down in the 1920s when Californians wanted to divorce themselves, stylistically speaking, from the East Coast and Europe and embrace Mexico=2E Down came the Victorians, including Claremont's train station, and in 1927= up went the Spanish colonial Claremont Depot=2E Its red-tile roof, baroque= facade and stucco walls have lasted 75 years -- four decades as a rail station and then two in boarded-up neglect before the building was spruced= up again and reopened as a working train station=2E On Friday, the building and the trains that rumble in and out daily will b= e feted during a jazz concert, an annual event that is a sign that the depot= is a living part of downtown Claremont=2E "Next to Union Station, we have the most beautiful station on Metrolink," said historian Judy Wright, who was instrumental in bringing the commuter rail to Claremont=2E As a councilwoman, she helped the city buy the neglec= ted depot=2E There are abandoned train stations all over Southern California, including= a near twin of Claremont's in Monrovia=2E In La Verne, the one-time statio= n now sells marble=2E Upland's station is a furniture store=2E The Claremont station's 75th anniversary coincides with the 10th anniversary of what breathed new life into the depot, Metrolink's first whistle at 05:06 Oct26, 1992=2E The first train actually left from Moorpar= k, but the San Bernardino Line that runs through the foothill cities in the Inland Valley has become Metrolink's most successful=2E The daily runs on = the San Bernardino Line carry an average of 10,000 riders between downtown San= Bernardino and Los Angeles=2E About 200 of those riders board the train in Claremont by the depot, which= will also be a stop on the planned light rail line that would run from Los= Angeles to Claremont through Pasadena=2E Soon the depot will include a restaurant=2E The city last month approved a= plan to put a sushi bar in the old baggage storage room=2E - Tipton Blish,= The Inland Valley Voice, The Los Angeles Times, courtesy Larry W=2E Grant - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <4910-2200210417174438615_@_M2W033.mail2web.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:44:38 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) B&O Depot in Mt. Vernon, Ohio From Railway Preservation News=2E=2E=2E Recent, vintage and interior photos are at: http://www=2Erypn=2Eorg/Briefs/october2002/021011=2Ehtm B&O Depot in Mt=2E Vernon, Ohio The Mount Vernon, Ohio, City Council has announced it has purchased and will restore the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot on West High Street=2E Th= e 95-year-old structure was purchased from CSX Transportation, headquartered= in Jacksonville, Fla=2E "This depot once served as the focal point of social life and was the centerpiece for local trade and commerce in Knox County," said Mayor Richard Mavis=2E "It has served as the departure point for men and women leaving to war and as a welcoming gateway for passengers arriving to start= a new life in our community=2E I am very pleased the City is proceeding wi= th this important, historical restoration=2E" "It is our responsibility to preserve Mount Vernon history and that is par= t of the reasoning behind this endeavor," said Mavis=2E "But the restoration= of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot is more than simply a tribute to our past, it is also an investment in our future=2E Towns and cities use rail station redevelopment as a tool to help revitalize their communities=2E Th= e depot offers us an opportunity to make this happen, a central structure around which to cluster other activities and renew a neighborhood=2E "Our goal is to restore the building to its original 1907 condition," Mavi= s continued=2E "Once restored, we want to make the Baltimore & Ohio depot a social and public place once again=2E It was the prime contact between lif= e within the community and life outside and we have many ideas on uses for the restored station=2E" Ideas for possible use of the station include, but are not limited to: a county-wide chamber of commerce office, historical society office or museum, office space for professionals or non-profit groups, bike and skat= e rental, meeting and conference room, outdoor event space and open-air market, and reception areas=2E The depot restoration may be one of the largest public/private partnership= s assembled in Knox County=2E The purchase of the building and the cost of t= he restoration will be approximately $600,000=2E The City has allocated $75,0= 00 and will own and maintain the building=2E The balance of the funds will co= me from private donations and federal and state grants=2E "We are extremely gratified with the response we have had from the local community," added Mavis=2E "We have raised more than $400,000 in cash, pledges and services but there still needs to be considerable funds raised= for this project=2E We hope there will be some federal and state grants, b= ut clearly, we are counting on the Knox County community to help support us i= n this restoration=2E" The City hopes local citizens will step forward to volunteer their time, labor and skills=2E "There are several areas where volunteer labor and donation of services or= products could be used to lower the restoration costs," said Mavis=2E "Tho= se areas would be replacing the concrete sidewalks, refinishing of interior woodwork, painting, replacing soffits, refinishing brackets, cleaning the exterior stone and brick, providing new glass for windows, insulation, and= landscaping=2E" The City is also searching for photographs, artifacts and railroad items related to the history of this depot=2E Post cards, time schedules, ticket= s and passes are desired for historical displays throughout the building=2E Original material can be copied or photographed and returned=2E If you would like to participate in this project or would like to donate funds, services or product, please contact: Mayor Richard Mavis, City of Mount Vernon, 40 Public Square, Mount Vernon, Ohio or call 740=2E393=2E951= 7=2E All contributions are tax deductible=2E History The B&O depot sits on one of the oldest rail lines in the state of Ohio=2E= The original railroad, the Sandusky, Mansfield & Newark Railroad, was chartered in 1845 and by 1851 cars were running between Sandusky, Mansfiel= d and Newark, Ohio=2E The construction plans for the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot arrived in Mount Vernon on June 15, 1906=2E According to a story in the Mt=2E Vernon = Daily Banner, the new station "will be a beauty, and while it will be similar to= (Mount Vernon's other rail depot) the C=2E A=2E & C=2E (Cleveland, Akron &= Columbus, then sold to Pennsylvania Railroad), it will be more elaborate and will cost a greater sum of money=2E" While the architect of the depot = is not known, the station has been designed in the style known as Richardsonian Romanesque, named after American architect Henry H=2E Richardson=2E The style is characterized, generally, by massive stone wall= s and dramatic semicircular arches=2E The Daily Banner article continues that "the plans specify the contract fo= r the structure will be awarded on June 25, 1906 and work on the building must be commenced within 10 days after this time=2E The building must be completed in three months=2E" That may have been the plan of the railroad, but it certainly was not reality=2E In the October 11, 1906 issue of the Banner, a story reports th= at the B&O depot construction has been "delayed=2E" Another story on Oct=2E 2= 3, 1906 acknowledges "another delay=2E" A story in the May 16, 1907 issue reports "a lively scrap occurs at B & O station=2E" The contractor and railroad inspector have "knock down fight" over the cutting and placing of= some masonry work at the new station=2E "The contractor proceeded to give = the inspector a thorough beating, such as is seldom handed a man=2E" And finally, the November 25, 1907 edition of the Daily Banner announces the first train stopping at the new B&O station that day=2E "The new build= ing will now be used in the future - the handsome structure is completed=2E Th= e station is equipped with all modern conveniences=2E It is heated with stea= m and lighted with electricity=2E" Local lore also figures into this station=2E It seems the railroad planned= a more modest, frame structure for Mount Vernon and an elaborate, stone depo= t for Sandusky, Ohio, (then the northern terminal of the railroad)=2E The fr= ame building would take less than six months to construct while the stone structure a great deal longer=2E The person in charge of depot construction for the B&O apparently fell in love with a Mount Vernon woman and wished to spend as much time with her a= s possible=2E No problem; he simply switched plans=2E Mount Vernon got the wonderful stone and brick building while Sandusky received the wood frame depot=2E The rail line in Mount Vernon is now owned by CSX Transportation and is still active=2E The depot served the railroad as an office for a signal maintainer until Sept=2E 10, 2002=2E (Phil Samuell) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001701c27639$d9c86e80$4f5d70d1_@_johndoe> References: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:03:54 -0500 From: "Louis Van Winkle" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Jackson, Michigan Chris, Here is a web page with a wealth of historical information on the depots in Jackson, MI http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Stories/JacksonEvolution.htm Lou Van Winkle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Binck, Chris" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Jacksonville, Michigan > Looking for historical information, and any current news on what's planned > for the old Michigan Central Station in Jacksonville, MI ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005401c27646$173da760$10a29840_@_name> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:31:28 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) B&O Depot in Mt. Vernon, Ohio And what of the PRR depot? pl - -----Original Message----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) B&O Depot in Mt. Vernon, Ohio From Railway Preservation News... Recent, vintage and interior photos are at: http://www.rypn.org/Briefs/october2002/021011.htm B&O Depot in Mt. Vernon, Ohio The Mount Vernon, Ohio, City Council has announced it has purchased and will restore the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot on West High Street. The 95-year-old structure was purchased from CSX Transportation, headquartered in Jacksonville, Fla. "This depot once served as the focal point of social life and was the centerpiece for local trade and commerce in Knox County," said Mayor Richard Mavis. "It has served as the departure point for men and women leaving to war and as a welcoming gateway for passengers arriving to start a new life in our community. I am very pleased the City is proceeding with this important, historical restoration." "It is our responsibility to preserve Mount Vernon history and that is part of the reasoning behind this endeavor," said Mavis. "But the restoration of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot is more than simply a tribute to our past, it is also an investment in our future. Towns and cities use rail station redevelopment as a tool to help revitalize their communities. The depot offers us an opportunity to make this happen, a central structure around which to cluster other activities and renew a neighborhood. "Our goal is to restore the building to its original 1907 condition," Mavis continued. "Once restored, we want to make the Baltimore & Ohio depot a social and public place once again. It was the prime contact between life within the community and life outside and we have many ideas on uses for the restored station." Ideas for possible use of the station include, but are not limited to: a county-wide chamber of commerce office, historical society office or museum, office space for professionals or non-profit groups, bike and skate rental, meeting and conference room, outdoor event space and open-air market, and reception areas. The depot restoration may be one of the largest public/private partnerships assembled in Knox County. The purchase of the building and the cost of the restoration will be approximately $600,000. The City has allocated $75,000 and will own and maintain the building. The balance of the funds will come from private donations and federal and state grants. "We are extremely gratified with the response we have had from the local community," added Mavis. "We have raised more than $400,000 in cash, pledges and services but there still needs to be considerable funds raised for this project. We hope there will be some federal and state grants, but clearly, we are counting on the Knox County community to help support us in this restoration." The City hopes local citizens will step forward to volunteer their time, labor and skills. "There are several areas where volunteer labor and donation of services or products could be used to lower the restoration costs," said Mavis. "Those areas would be replacing the concrete sidewalks, refinishing of interior woodwork, painting, replacing soffits, refinishing brackets, cleaning the exterior stone and brick, providing new glass for windows, insulation, and landscaping." The City is also searching for photographs, artifacts and railroad items related to the history of this depot. Post cards, time schedules, tickets and passes are desired for historical displays throughout the building. Original material can be copied or photographed and returned. If you would like to participate in this project or would like to donate funds, services or product, please contact: Mayor Richard Mavis, City of Mount Vernon, 40 Public Square, Mount Vernon, Ohio or call 740.393.9517. All contributions are tax deductible. History The B&O depot sits on one of the oldest rail lines in the state of Ohio. The original railroad, the Sandusky, Mansfield & Newark Railroad, was chartered in 1845 and by 1851 cars were running between Sandusky, Mansfield and Newark, Ohio. The construction plans for the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad depot arrived in Mount Vernon on June 15, 1906. According to a story in the Mt. Vernon Daily Banner, the new station "will be a beauty, and while it will be similar to (Mount Vernon's other rail depot) the C. A. & C. (Cleveland, Akron & Columbus, then sold to Pennsylvania Railroad), it will be more elaborate and will cost a greater sum of money." While the architect of the depot is not known, the station has been designed in the style known as Richardsonian Romanesque, named after American architect Henry H. Richardson. The style is characterized, generally, by massive stone walls and dramatic semicircular arches. The Daily Banner article continues that "the plans specify the contract for the structure will be awarded on June 25, 1906 and work on the building must be commenced within 10 days after this time. The building must be completed in three months." That may have been the plan of the railroad, but it certainly was not reality. In the October 11, 1906 issue of the Banner, a story reports that the B&O depot construction has been "delayed." Another story on Oct. 23, 1906 acknowledges "another delay." A story in the May 16, 1907 issue reports "a lively scrap occurs at B & O station." The contractor and railroad inspector have "knock down fight" over the cutting and placing of some masonry work at the new station. "The contractor proceeded to give the inspector a thorough beating, such as is seldom handed a man." And finally, the November 25, 1907 edition of the Daily Banner announces the first train stopping at the new B&O station that day. "The new building will now be used in the future - the handsome structure is completed. The station is equipped with all modern conveniences. It is heated with steam and lighted with electricity." Local lore also figures into this station. It seems the railroad planned a more modest, frame structure for Mount Vernon and an elaborate, stone depot for Sandusky, Ohio, (then the northern terminal of the railroad). The frame building would take less than six months to construct while the stone structure a great deal longer. The person in charge of depot construction for the B&O apparently fell in love with a Mount Vernon woman and wished to spend as much time with her as possible. No problem; he simply switched plans. Mount Vernon got the wonderful stone and brick building while Sandusky received the wood frame depot. The rail line in Mount Vernon is now owned by CSX Transportation and is still active. The depot served the railroad as an office for a signal maintainer until Sept. 10, 2002. (Phil Samuell) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001501c27653$b094cc60$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:08:53 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: (rshsdepot) Ballardvale, MA - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven & Madelyn Mitton" > To: > Subject: Ballardvale (Andover) MA > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:28:11 -0400 > > We are looking for any information on the train station in Ballardvale, > MA, Ballardvale is a section of Andover, MA. The train station was > built in 1847 in the Italianate style. We are hoping to locate some > additional photos of the exterior as well as any interior photos of this > station or other stations in the same style built around the same time. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #497 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <010201c2768d$1f6934d0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:00:00 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Pine River, MN What next for the Pine River Depot? By Christine Lupella, Journal Editor clupella_@_pineriverjournal.com Had building been demolished, MnDOT may have lost funding for future highway project To some people, it may not look like much--that rickety old building that sits just south of the Highway 371 stoplight in Pine River. To others, the building is an irreplaceable part of local, as well as regional history--one that needs to be restored and maintained for future generations. Minnesota weather, lack of maintenance, and lack of interest in the 100 year old depot--once the railroad pulled its tracks in the 1980s--led to its deterioration. Two years ago, the Pine River City Council decided it had had enough of the dilapidated eyesore that greeted residents and visitors as they came into town from the south. The council issued a condemnation order, first to the Burlington Northern Sante Fe Railroad, the original owner of the depot and surrounding property, then to the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT)--who purchased the property in December, 2000. The depot property was purchased under a state-funded project, according to Curt Eastlund, a MnDOT preliminary design engineer. He explained that MnDOT automatically researches and reviews structures that exist on acquired property, to determine whether those buildings are eligible for listing on the state or national register of historic places. An initial review, completed in early 2001, determined that the depot most likely did not have historical significance. However, the impending loss of the depot created an surge of public interest. A restoration group--the "Depot Delegation"--formed, and the building was reviewed for its historical significance once again. By early July, 2001, the depot qualified for listing on the national register of historic places. The condemnation order remained in place; however, the city, MnDOT and Heritage Group North, Inc. (formerly the "Depot Delegation")--the restoration group--met in late August 2001 to discuss possible solutions to the situation. The city gave HGN until September, 2002, to organize and begin fund raising efforts, as well as explore whether moving the depot would affect its eligibility for historical listing. MnDOT eventually presented the city with a "Memo of Understanding," Eastlund said. The memo was to be an agreement between the city and MnDOT as to how the building could be best moved to city property. "Unfortunately, the city didn't sign that Memo of Understanding," Eastlund said. "We never even got a comment on it." On September 24 the Pine River City Council met for its planning meeting, and openly discussed the depot situation. Council members indicated that they were not in support of a restoration project, especially if the building was moved to city property, making the city liable for the insurance or any related costs. Two weeks later, the council met again. City Attorney Ted Lundrigan said the Attorney General, MnDOT's attorney, had requested that the council rescind the condemnation order--which was done. MnDOT had offered to transfer ownership of the depot to the city; however, council member unanimously voted against accepting the offer. The result: "We're in a holding pattern. The DOT will not do anything to that building that would put future projects at risk," Eastlund said. How funding may be tied to historical structures Eastlund explained that depending upon the project, the presence of an historical structure--such as the depot--may affect funding. State law protects buildings that are actually listed on the state or national register of historic places, while federal law protects buildings that are either eligible for or listed on the register. MnDOT purchased the depot under a state-funded project; however, because the planning process is in motion for a federal project--the Highway 371 expansion--demolition of the depot may have affected federal funds. "They (federal government) could say that was an anticipatory action, trying to subvert that federal project," Eastlund said, adding that the consequence for this type of action is withholding of federal funding for the project. However, "if we had to take action to preserve the health and welfare of a city or to respond to a lawsuit...that's not taking an action to avoid some federal protection," Eastlund said. The presence of the historic depot on the Highway 371 right-of-way in Pine River will not determine whether the expanded highway runs through or around Pine River, Eastlund said. "We're just now trying to define the scope of the project," Eastlund said. Developing a highway project takes three relatively lengthy steps--proving the need for a road or road expansion through or around a particular area, designing the project, and--if there is an historical structure involved--showing that there are no other alternative places to build the road. Eastlund said the depot is ultimately a local issue--the town needs to decide how it wants to deal with it. "There are a lot of intertwined interests in this building," he said. With planning for immediate restoration and maintenance of the depot, Eastlund said there could be hope for the future "if the city and this group (HGN) get together on this." He said it could be a nice project over the long range. Restoration could cost $240,000 To date, HGN has approximately $26,000 in pledges toward a depot restoration project, according to HGN member Alan Johnson. At one point, restoration costs were estimated at $240,000. In August, Susan Roth, an historian with the State Historic Preservation Office, inspected the depot site to determine whether the building would retain its historic integrity if it is moved directly across the Paul Bunyan Trail. Her opinion was that a move would not change the historic context of the depot, which would most likely still allow it to qualify for listing on the national register. Roth also suggested making the project as viable and self-supporting as possible--perhaps by renting a portion of space in the restored building to a coffee shop or other business venture. "There's beauty and honesty in its (the Depot's) simplicity," Roth said at the time. "This is going to be wonderful and people are going to use it." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005401c27646$173da760$10a29840_@_name> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:36:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Andy Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) B&O Depot in Mt. Vernon, Ohio On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Paul S. Luchter wrote: > > And what of the PRR depot? > pl It is "The Station Break Senior Center" as seen here: http://www.west2k.com/ohpix/mtvcac.jpg It theoretically has a website, but it seems to be down currently: http://www.stationbreak.org/ try http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.stationbreak.org to at least see a little of the text about the organization. There was also a CA&C/PRR freight depot. It is now a video store: http://www.west2k.com/ohpix/mtvernonfreight.jpg Pictures from Dan West's website "Ohio Railroad Stations Past & Present": http://www.west2k.com/ohio.htm - -Andy - -- Stay in drugs, drink your school, and don't do milk! ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <57050-2200210518154614494_@_M2W059.mail2web.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:46:14 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Strafford, PA From the Suburban and Wayne Times=2E=2E=2E A double dedication in Strafford By Betsy Gilliland October 17, 2002=20 =20 Community will celebrate renovated station, schoolhouse=20 The annual open house at Strafford's Old Eagle School will have a new twis= t this fall=2E To coincide with the dedication of the renovated Strafford train station, = a joint celebration will be held at the school and the depot Oct=2E 20=2E Festivities will begin at 2 p=2Em=2E on the south side of the Strafford st= ation=2E James Garrison of Strafford, an architect who specializes in historic preservation and the chairman of Tredyffrin Township's Historic Architectural Review Board, will open the event with remarks at the station=2E He will recognize SEPTA and Philadelphia's DPK & A Architects f= or their receipt of an award from the Preservation Alliance of Greater Philadelphia for the rehabilitation and restoration of the train station=2E= In addition, he will discuss the station's past and its recent history=2E "It's definitely one of the oldest surviving stations on the line," Garrison said=2E "It's been moved a couple of times=2E" Michael Olderman, SEPTA senior project manager, also will speak=2E The event will shift to Old Eagle School at 3 p=2Em=2E with a visit from a= captain in the New Hampshire Regiment Continental Army, also known as re-enactor Paul Sanborn=2E The army officer will discharge his musket and will discuss his wartime experiences during his "return home" following th= e surrender of Lord Cornwallis in Yorktown, Va=2E Graveyard tours at the Old Eagle School cemetery will be available, and refreshments will be served at the school=2E In addition, David Mackey, an antique map dealer and collector, will bring= a selection of originals and reproductions to the schoolhouse for review and purchase=2E "We all drive by these resources in Strafford and say, 'There they are,' "= said Strafford's Glenna Keene, one of the organizers of the event=2E "But people come from all over to see them=2E" The Carpenter Gothic style of the Strafford station, circa 1880, distinguishes it from other Main Line train stations=2E The comprehensive restoration included a new slate roof; millwork, timber and plaster restoration; and repainting based on historic paint analysis=2E=20 ADA requirements and interior engineering systems were added without disrupting the historic architecture of the federally funded $4=2E3 millio= n project=2E A 1999 electrical fire at the station delayed the start of reconstruction by five months=2E Before restoration could begin, the structure had to be removed temporarily from its masonry base to make structural repairs=2E The train station and Old Eagle School share a long history=2E Both structures were prominent community landmarks at the outset of Strafford's= conversion from a farming region to a railroad suburb=2E Old Eagle School, built in 1788, has reason to show off as well=2E Last year renovations totaling about $20,000 were completed at the one-roo= m schoolhouse, said Dave Rogers, president of the Old Eagle School Board of Trustees=2E Renovations included replacing discolored plaster on the fireplace, exterior masonry work, restoration of the exterior shutters, dismantling and rehanging the windows, replacing some floorboards, replacing wiring in= overhead light fixtures that date back to 1905 and replacing interior support timbers=2E Fundraising efforts began in 1996, Rogers noted, and most of the funding was secured through contributions from neighbors=2E However, organizers hope to reach beyond the immediate community to draw people to the event=2E Tredyffrin is made up of many communities, noted Keene, whose late husband= , Herbert, was instrumental in getting the Strafford station renovations underway during his tenure as a township supervisor=2E "Things like this bring the community together and make us appreciate our past," she added=2E Parking will be available at the train station and at the Goddard School a= t Old Eagle School and Crestline roads in Strafford=2E Betsy Gilliland can be reached at bgilliland_@_montgomerynews=2Ecom=2E=20 =20 - 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Paul asked: > [maybe also once Carteret or chrome -Rahway] > > What can anyone tell me about this line/branch and any stations once or > still on it? The CNJ's Sound Shore Branch had stops at Grasselli, Warners, Carteret, Liebig's Lane and Chrome. I don;t believe any of them had station buildings per se -- I've only seen cinder platforms in the pictures I've seen. I believe it was cut back from Chrome to Warners in the mid 1950s after a bridge was knocked out. Service was discontinued altogether about 1960 -- on very short notice. In fact, there were two railfans on the last trip, who just "happened" to be exploring the line for the first time that day, and made the last run. It generally used an RDC at the end. I was told years ago that these trains were contracted-for by some local chemical companies, just like the Western Electric trains to South Kearny -- which is why they were discontinued with short notice. If you ever come across any pictures of real stations, I'd be interested in seeing them. Cheers, Jim Guthrie ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <103.1d4e122c.2ae1a1c2_@_aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:22 EDT From: I95BERNIEW_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. In a message dated 10/18/2002 1:27:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jguthrie_@_pipeline.com writes: > The CNJ's Sound Shore Branch had stops at Grasselli, Warners, Carteret, > Liebig's Lane and Chrome. I don;t believe any of them had station buildings > per se -- I've only seen cinder platforms in the pictures I've seen. I > believe it was cut back from Chrome to Warners in the mid 1950s after a > bridge was knocked out. Service was discontinued altogether about 1960 -- > on > very short notice. In fact, there were two railfans on the last trip, who > just "happened" to be exploring the line for the first time that day, and > made the last run. It generally used an RDC at the end. > > I was told years ago that these trains were contracted-for by some local > chemical companies, just like the Western Electric trains to South Kearny > -- > which is why they were discontinued with short notice. In the book, "26 Miles To Jersey City," the book has photos of stations at Elizabeth Avenue in Elizabeth, West Carteret (really more of a freight office than passenger station), and Barber. The Barber station was fairly substantial. It was built in 1894. The building is said to have been torn down. In a local history book I also recall seeing pictures of a Grasseli station. I remember it being a two story, wood building. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <20021018175949.7EEB44592_@_sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: McDeath Subject: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? A view of Acela's performance as a cautionary tale for technicians. =46rom EDN Access Online . . . . http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=3Darticle&stt=3D000&article= id=3DCA250818&pubdate=3D10/17/2002 Amtrak recently took its high-speed Acela Express locomotives and their car= s out of service because of cracks in engine wheel-set antisway dampers. As= an engineer, I know that problems like these can and do happen, despite co= nscientious engineering analysis at the design stage. Further, as a train a= ficionado and someone who has taken the Acela from Boston to New York at le= ast 25 times, I'd rather be on a train than an airplane almost anytime. The Acela experience carries lessons for us all. The billion-dollar upgrade= of rail service between Boston and Washington involved two major steps: im= proving and electrifying all the tracks from New York to Boston, so that th= e entire path could use more efficient, lower maintenance electric locomoti= ves (only the New York-to-Washington portion was previously electric) and p= roviding a train set (a locomotive plus matched cars) that could reach worl= d-class speeds as high as 150 mph (242 km/hour). The key phrase here is "as high as." The reality is that, due to roadbed cu= rves and other rail traffic, the Acela trains achieve this speed for only a= 15-mile stretch of track; their actual maximum running speed is about 100 = mph for most of the trip. (The average speed, including stops, is about 60 = mph.) Yet Amtrak and users paid a high price for this barely used burst cap= ability. Amtrak delayed initial service at least a year beyond schedule, an= d the train sets, comprising the special locomotive matched with tilting ca= rs, have had numerous problems. David Gunn, Amtrak's recently installed pre= sident, clearly stated that the decision to build the Acela as entirely new= train sets=97rather than modify existing locomotives with proven records= =97was a mistake: "For the next generation of trains," he said, "you want t= o build on a product with some miles on it; you want to build off an existi= ng prototype in Europe or Asia" (Reference 1). All engineering designs are prone to these starting-from-scratch and overre= aching problems. Sometimes, marketing drives them; sometimes, upper managem= ent drives them; and sometimes, the engineers themselves drive them. In mos= t cases, it's a situation in which ego supersedes experience and reality, c= ompounded by a desire to boast that and get attention. In Amtrak's case, th= e board of directors' desire to be able to boast it had brought performance= like that of France's high-speed train, the TGV (Train =E0 Grande Vitesse)= to the US passenger-rail system drove the decision. The board didn't want = to publicize that the TGV owes its performance as much to its all-new roadb= ed and nonshared track as it does to the train set itself and that TGV desi= gners had a lot of interim experience to build on. Too often, electronic and software engineers face the same problem: Do you = optimize your design so that it can efficiently handle most required functi= ons, or do you add more memory, boost clock speed, or incorporate other spe= cial components to accommodate those extra few functions that few will use = or even notice? Do you add dozens of rarely used "bloatware" features, so t= hat you can boast that you have them but, in doing so, add to user aggravat= ion, memory requirements, and latent bugs? Do you use a new architecture th= at promises the highest performance, or do you extend a less impressive one= ? The power, complexity, price, and time-to-market penalty for adding these= extras is usually steep.=20 Reaching for the best is not always a bad idea. Sometimes, it's the only wa= y to achieve something distinctive and noteworthy. But be honest with yours= elf and others about the true return compared with the anticipated reward. _____________________________________________________________ Voetsek! Europe's Favourite SA Destination http://www.voetsek.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you_@_yourchoice.com w/No = Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=3Dtag ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001a01c276fc$7580b2c0$fb41f6d1_@_name> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:16:53 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? Shouldn't it be "only New Haven to Washington was electrified"? - -----Original Message----- From: McDeath To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? A view of Acela's performance as a cautionary tale for technicians. From EDN Access Online . . . . http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=article&stt=000&articleid=CA 250818&pubdate=10/17/2002 Amtrak recently took its high-speed Acela Express locomotives and their cars out of service because of cracks in engine wheel-set antisway dampers. As an engineer, I know that problems like these can and do happen, despite conscientious engineering analysis at the design stage. Further, as a train aficionado and someone who has taken the Acela from Boston to New York at least 25 times, I'd rather be on a train than an airplane almost anytime. The Acela experience carries lessons for us all. The billion-dollar upgrade of rail service between Boston and Washington involved two major steps: improving and electrifying all the tracks from New York to Boston, so that the entire path could use more efficient, lower maintenance electric locomotives (only the New York-to-Washington portion was previously electric) and providing a train set (a locomotive plus matched cars) that could reach world-class speeds as high as 150 mph (242 km/hour). The key phrase here is "as high as." The reality is that, due to roadbed curves and other rail traffic, the Acela trains achieve this speed for only a 15-mile stretch of track; their actual maximum running speed is about 100 mph for most of the trip. (The average speed, including stops, is about 60 mph.) Yet Amtrak and users paid a high price for this barely used burst capability. Amtrak delayed initial service at least a year beyond schedule, and the train sets, comprising the special locomotive matched with tilting cars, have had numerous problems. David Gunn, Amtrak's recently installed president, clearly stated that the decision to build the Acela as entirely new train sets—rather than modify existing locomotives with proven records—was a mistake: "For the next generation of trains," he said, "you want to build on a product with some miles on it; you want to build off an existing prototype in Europe or Asia" (Reference 1). All engineering designs are prone to these starting-from-scratch and overreaching problems. Sometimes, marketing drives them; sometimes, upper management drives them; and sometimes, the engineers themselves drive them. In most cases, it's a situation in which ego supersedes experience and reality, compounded by a desire to boast that and get attention. In Amtrak's case, the board of directors' desire to be able to boast it had brought performance like that of France's high-speed train, the TGV (Train à Grande Vitesse) to the US passenger-rail system drove the decision. The board didn't want to publicize that the TGV owes its performance as much to its all-new roadbed and nonshared track as it does to the train set itself and that TGV designers had a lot of interim experience to build on. Too often, electronic and software engineers face the same problem: Do you optimize your design so that it can efficiently handle most required functions, or do you add more memory, boost clock speed, or incorporate other special components to accommodate those extra few functions that few will use or even notice? Do you add dozens of rarely used "bloatware" features, so that you can boast that you have them but, in doing so, add to user aggravation, memory requirements, and latent bugs? Do you use a new architecture that promises the highest performance, or do you extend a less impressive one? The power, complexity, price, and time-to-market penalty for adding these extras is usually steep. Reaching for the best is not always a bad idea. Sometimes, it's the only way to achieve something distinctive and noteworthy. But be honest with yourself and others about the true return compared with the anticipated reward. _____________________________________________________________ Voetsek! Europe's Favourite SA Destination http://www.voetsek.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you_@_yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003101c27704$c34a5bc0$9f4b0e44_@_ri.cox.net> References: <001a01c276fc$7580b2c0$fb41f6d1_@_name> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:16:25 -0400 From: "JIMBEAR" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? Absolutely right, Paul. The guy is the "Executive Editor" of an e-zine for management types. You'd think that he'd at least try to get the facts correct, wouldn't you ? Jim. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Luchter" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? > Shouldn't it be "only New Haven to Washington was electrified"? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: McDeath > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:04 PM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? > > > A view of Acela's performance as a cautionary tale for technicians. > From EDN Access Online . . . . > > http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=article&stt=000&articleid=CA > 250818&pubdate=10/17/2002 > > Amtrak recently took its high-speed Acela Express locomotives and their cars > out of service because of cracks in engine wheel-set antisway dampers. As an > engineer, I know that problems like these can and do happen, despite > conscientious engineering analysis at the design stage. Further, as a train > aficionado and someone who has taken the Acela from Boston to New York at > least 25 times, I'd rather be on a train than an airplane almost anytime. > > The Acela experience carries lessons for us all. The billion-dollar upgrade > of rail service between Boston and Washington involved two major steps: > improving and electrifying all the tracks from New York to Boston, so that > the entire path could use more efficient, lower maintenance electric > locomotives (only the New York-to-Washington portion was previously > electric) ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1035019197.19452_@_server.linwoodnet.com> In-Reply-To: <1034967986.15575_@_server.linwoodnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:16:50 -0400 From: "Kenyon Karl" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? It seems to me that we went through this same awful cycle when the self-propelled Metroliner coaches were placed into the previous generation of high-speed service between New York and Washington. Conversely, these self-propelled coaches were stripped of their motors and controls about 20 years later. :-( One minor note, before the most recent Boston extension, the trolley wire ended in New Haven (not New York). Indeed, I was able to ride a self-propelled Metroliner train. By the way, the United Aircraft Turboliners had a simply dreadful reliability problem - and I gather that the rehabilitated Turbotrains for New York-Albany service had an equally troubled past. Do you have any clues as to what we can expect of the new Bobmardier Jet-train (aka non-electric) for Acela-style service on other proposed high speed lines? Kenyon F. Karl Webmaster_@_new-england-public-transit.org http://www.new-england-public-transit.org - -----Original Message----- From: rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net [mailto:rshsdepot-owner_@_lists.railfan.net]On Behalf Of McDeath Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:00 PM To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Subject: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? A view of Acela's performance as a cautionary tale for technicians. From EDN Access Online . . . . http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=article&stt=000&articleid=CA 250818&pubdate=10/17/2002 Amtrak recently took its high-speed Acela Express locomotives and their cars out of service because of cracks in engine wheel-set antisway dampers. As an engineer, I know that problems like these can and do happen, despite conscientious engineering analysis at the design stage. Further, as a train aficionado and someone who has taken the Acela from Boston to New York at least 25 times, I'd rather be on a train than an airplane almost anytime. The Acela experience carries lessons for us all. The billion-dollar upgrade of rail service between Boston and Washington involved two major steps: improving and electrifying all the tracks from New York to Boston, so that the entire path could use more efficient, lower maintenance electric locomotives (only the New York-to-Washington portion was previously electric) and providing a train set (a locomotive plus matched cars) that could reach world-class speeds as high as 150 mph (242 km/hour). The key phrase here is "as high as." The reality is that, due to roadbed curves and other rail traffic, the Acela trains achieve this speed for only a 15-mile stretch of track; their actual maximum running speed is about 100 mph for most of the trip. (The average speed, including stops, is about 60 mph.) Yet Amtrak and users paid a high price for this barely used burst capability. Amtrak delayed initial service at least a year beyond schedule, and the train sets, comprising the special locomotive matched with tilting cars, have had numerous problems. David Gunn, Amtrak's recently installed president, clearly stated that the decision to build the Acela as entirely new train sets—rather than modify existing locomotives with proven records—was a mistake: "For the next generation of trains," he said, "you want to build on a product with some miles on it; you want to build off an existing prototype in Europe or Asia" (Reference 1). All engineering designs are prone to these starting-from-scratch and overreaching problems. Sometimes, marketing drives them; sometimes, upper management drives them; and sometimes, the engineers themselves drive them. In most cases, it's a situation in which ego supersedes experience and reality, compounded by a desire to boast that and get attention. In Amtrak's case, the board of directors' desire to be able to boast it had brought performance like that of France's high-speed train, the TGV (Train à Grande Vitesse) to the US passenger-rail system drove the decision. The board didn't want to publicize that the TGV owes its performance as much to its all-new roadbed and nonshared track as it does to the train set itself and that TGV designers had a lot of interim experience to build on. Too often, electronic and software engineers face the same problem: Do you optimize your design so that it can efficiently handle most required functions, or do you add more memory, boost clock speed, or incorporate other special components to accommodate those extra few functions that few will use or even notice? Do you add dozens of rarely used "bloatware" features, so that you can boast that you have them but, in doing so, add to user aggravation, memory requirements, and latent bugs? Do you use a new architecture that promises the highest performance, or do you extend a less impressive one? The power, complexity, price, and time-to-market penalty for adding these extras is usually steep. Reaching for the best is not always a bad idea. Sometimes, it's the only way to achieve something distinctive and noteworthy. But be honest with yourself and others about the true return compared with the anticipated reward. _____________________________________________________________ Voetsek! Europe's Favourite SA Destination http://www.voetsek.co.uk _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you_@_yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001d01c2774c$ab08dda0$9f4b0e44_@_ri.cox.net> References: <1035019197.19452_@_server.linwoodnet.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:51:08 -0400 From: "JIMBEAR" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenyon Karl" To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:16 AM Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Acela as engineering paradigm? > By the way, the United Aircraft Turboliners had a simply dreadful > reliability problem - and I gather that the rehabilitated Turbotrains for > New York-Albany service had an equally troubled past. Do you have any clues > as to what we can expect of the new Bobmardier Jet-train (aka non-electric) > for Acela-style service on other proposed high speed lines? > > Kenyon F. Karl > Webmaster_@_new-england-public-transit.org > http://www.new-england-public-transit.org They sure did. When I was a kid, the turboliners were serviced at Field's Point in Providence. The facility was in a huge building left over from the WWII-era Walsh-Kaiser shipyard. I lived on the hill overlooking the area. It was almost a given that one or both of the turbos would be there with its access hatches open for some sort of service several days a week. At first the area wasn't fenced off, so you could walk around the trains, and watch the action. Later the service apron outside the building was fenced and the trains were sometimes parked inside the building overnight. The UT trains were very much experimental proto- types; there have been others since then. Hopefully, lessons have been learned from past experience, and the new Empire Service turbos will be more reliable. Jim. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #498 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:09:57 EDT From: Depot1960_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Fw: Trains in the Lehigh Valley Sorry for the late response. The Allentown service was an extension of the Bethlehem service. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:11:47 EDT From: Depot1960_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE ING is their full name, no abbreviation. They advertise on the tv. They're a Dutch banking concern. I have not seen pictures of the connecting walkway. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <12d.191c7504.2ae2d298_@_aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:22:00 EDT From: Depot1960_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Wilmington, DE They're are no high rises on the side south of the NEC tracks. All of the current building are renovations of older buildings. If you look in Janet Potters book, in the section on Delaware, you will see the old warehouse on page 127 that ING renovated. There is however construction in the Amtrak parking lot of a new multi-story parking structure is beginning. Also, the track by the B&O S. Market St. station is still in the street. It once continued between the Amtrak/PRR station and the old PRR office building, crossing the street, then behind the current Amtrak CNOC building and to the shipyard that was their customer. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:24:29 EDT From: Depot1960_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. There is a picture of the Chrome station in the CNJ Morning Sun book. It has since been demolished. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:09:02 +0000 From: "Don Dorflinger" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. Dan, I think you are confusing the CNJ's Perth Amboy Branch (or Perth Amboy & Elizabethport Branch) with the Sound Shore, Carteret, and Reformatory Branches which diverged from it. The CNJ used the Perth Amboy Branch to route NY&LB trains between Elizabethport and "WC" Woodbridge Jct. until the Aldene Plan was deployed in 1967. The other branches diverged from it along the Chemical Coast. Don >From: CoolGuy127_@_aol.com >Reply-To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net >To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net >Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Bayway-Carteret-Chrome, N.J. >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:41:03 EDT > >In a message dated 10/14/02 11:04:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >luckyshow_@_mindspring.com writes: > > > > What can anyone tell me about this line/branch and any stations once or > > still on it? > > This line, now known as Conrail's Chemical Coast Line, was once the >line used by the Central Railroad of New Jersey to serve to the North Jersey >Coast. Until the Aldene Plan was implemented in April 1967, service to the >Jersey Shore was provided by both the Central Railroad of New Jersey and the >Pennsylvania Railroad. The two lines separated just north of Perth Amboy, >with the PRR trains heading to Woodbridge and then joining the PRR main line >near Rahway (the line still used by NJ Transit today), while the CNJ trains >heading north on today's Chemical Coast Line to Elizabethport, and then >turned east to cross the Newark Bay drawbridge and reach the Jersey City >Terminal. I rode this line many times in the early 1960s. As for stations, >the only one I can remember was in Elizabeth, just north of the drawbridge >there. There was formerly a brick station at this location, but I think it >was demolished a number of years ago. I have timetables from the 1960s that >show the service on this line and the stations that existed then. > > Daniel Chazin > Teaneck, NJ > >================================= >The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing >railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #499 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:10:21 -0400 From: "Camp, Mark" Subject: (rshsdepot) Texas Depots for Sale Looking for a depot? Here are two for sale in Texas. =20 SLSW depot from Bullard, Texas Act fast! This depot sits on a ranch = just outside town. It was supposed to be moved back into town and = restored, but a grant fell through and local interests apparently could = not work together. The owners are to the point of having it torn down. = Unfortunately since, a tornado ripped off half the roof. I've been in = the depot and it still looks salvageable and has been little altered. = Town boards appear to be missing. Sorry don't know the owners, but if = you contact the city offices they will know. ATSF depot from Sanger, Texas Now located in Tioga on 7 acres. Land is = apparently also for sale. Mark Hitchcock is the owner. He's at = Hitch2move_@_aol.com Mark J. Camp RSHS ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <009f01c2793f$4a094fe0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:20:24 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Columbus, OH On the market : VOA casts for buyer of West Broad historic depot Brian R. Ball Business First The Volunteers of America has a deal not quite designed for those who shop its thrift stores to support the organization. VOA has hung out a For Sale by Owner sign for the 19th century train depot at 379 W. Broad St. that has served as its offices since 1930. The effort to sell the building comes as VOA prepares for its early 2003 move into the Moody/Nolan Ltd. offices at 1776 E. Broad St., which the nonprofit agency bought for $1.8 million this year. The agency initially planned to lease the West Broad property after its move. "Since then, we've taken a different position simply because we decided we're not in the business of real estate," said VOA Chief Executive Sherry Keys-Hebron. "We thought, if we get the right price, perhaps we'd sell the building." Keys-Hebron won't disclose the agency's asking price, but she suggests shoppers shouldn't expect a bargain. The agency, she said, has no timetable for a sale. "The decision is really based on who's willing to meet our price," Keys-Hebron said. "We're not desperate." The property dates to 1895, when the Toledo & Ohio Central Railway completed it as a passenger depot. The 15,000-square-foot building and its trademark pagoda-style clock tower endured its first fire in 1910 as workers elevated the tracks to accommodate growing car and truck traffic. In 1913, its ornate lobby was filled with five feet of water during flooding of the Scioto River. The depot closed in 1929 after the New York Central Railroad bought the T&OC lines and moved passenger operations to Union Station. The depot remains the largest former passenger facility in Central Ohio despite a second flood and another fire that forced additional restoration work. The property is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Plenty of interest Keys-Hebron said the building has attracted interest from private interests as well as Capitol South Community Urban Redevelopment Corp., the development agency the city has directed to acquire property in the Scioto Peninsula west of COSI downtown. "We've had several viewers, with Realtors who've brought buyers coming to look at the building," Keys-Hebron said. "We've had two offers, but they didn't work out." Observers say a lack of additional parking next to the depot likely squelched those deals. Capitol South has already bought out VOA's thrift store and shelter for homeless men at 377 W. Broad and should gain full control of the property after the shelter and rehab services program are relocated to the West Edge Business Park early next year. Capitol South had dismissed interest in acquiring the depot, but has renewed overtures for the property in recent months. Center of history Sherry Buk, executive director of the Columbus Historical Society, said the VOA offices could serve as a natural anchor for its plans for a history museum to celebrate the city's role as Ohio's capital and transportation hub. "It would be our dream to create a museum with the depot as a cornerstone," Buk said. "It's unique in Columbus; no other property offers a site on the National Road," a 19th century trail for settlers that later became Route 40. Consultants for the historical society suggested Columbus, the largest city in the nation without a museum dedicated to its history, should have a 70,000-square-foot facility offering 50,000 square feet for exhibit space. The VOA building and Scioto Peninsula "would be ideal as a heritage center or visitors' center for the city of Columbus," Buk said. But that January 2001 plan remains "on the back burner" in large part due to a lack of public- and private-sector funding amid the sluggish economy and an estimated $33 million price tag, Buk said. Continued planning Capitol South expects to spend about $7 million to acquire property on the 70-acre Scioto Peninsula not already controlled by the city, COSI or Franklin County. That includes $180,000 it has already paid for VOA's shelter and thrift shop. The city, however, has yet to decide on a plan for the roughly 12 acres west of COSI that it intends to redevelop. That includes nearly four acres that once was the site of the city's health department. Bob McLaughlin, city downtown development administrator, said VOA hasn't shared its asking price for the depot, but knowing it likely wouldn't help since the city has run out of the state money tapped to acquire the Scioto properties. "I have no more money," he said. "All of it's been spent." The city will monitor the property's sale and, through Downtown Commission regulations, make sure it's properly redeveloped, he said. "It has to be appropriate and acceptable to the city," McLaughlin said. Keys-Hebron said the agency wants a new owner interested in preserving the property's historic value. "We would want a prospective owner to consider keeping part of the building in its original form, particularly the lobby area," Keys-Hebron said. "At the same time, we realize that (1,300 square feet) is dead space." Meanwhile, VOA will wait for the city's move, figuring the property only becomes more valuable. "Naturally, it's whoever can meet our price," she said. "If the city is willing and interested in the facility, of course we'd entertain selling it." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002001c2798f$aac1b160$0f52f6d1_@_name> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:55:21 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Lackawanna Terminal NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-10-22-02 Hoboken.jpg (image/jpeg, 61547 bytes) The gables are mot part of the Terminal but an illusion...behind those ferry portals is the 2nd largest such space of its kind to the Hall of Versailles... two thirds of this station is on piers over the water...once there was a copper clad turreted tower not far from where the antenna is today. Under it at the southeast corner was a popular restaurant with a grand view..to the left Immigrant Pier, where the immigrants from Castle Clinton, then Ellis Island arrived for transport west on the Lackawanna... I think it is wrong that they removed the 1960 addition of the "Erie"after the merger of the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western with the famed Erie Railroad to form the Erie-Lackawanna...it had a valid historical value and was a relic from its time as well. It had historical relevance to the site and to the history of rail heads and ferry traffic on the Hudson... Once in front of the hotel behind the ferry concourse from this view was the Public Service Transit terminal loops, the two story streetcar attachment that glommed onto the older Lackawanna Terminal when Public Service had a traction empire in northern New Jersey...People who knew Hoboken then have a hard time understanding how there weren't streetcars in Hoboken anymore (there are again, of course, on a very much smaller level) I can't remember that restaurant's name, and I can't find my book on the station... Hoboken is a great place, when it was very ethnic and now that it's more upscale, great old buildings, very nice small city with a lot of history; early suburb; first game of baseball played there. The Elysian Fields, to the right in this photo was a large hillside riverside park, before Central Park, the park to take a ferry to for New Yorkers.., now just a "vest pocket" park remnant down the street from Maxwell's. In 1630, Michael Pauw led the Dutch to purchase Hoboken's site from the Leni-Lenape, "who smoked carved stone pipes and named it Hobocan for 'Hobocan Hackingh'-'land of the tobacco pipe'..." The first brewery in America was built in 1642 by Aert T. van Putten..the immigrants in 19th century from Germany enhanced the breweries and beer gardens and halls (Maybe Maxwell's) New York Knickerbockers played baseball at Elysian Fields in 1846.. During World War One, Hoboken was the main port of embarkation for U.S. Armed Forces to Europe. I leave the D,L & W history to the experts. They began 1851. This station with its gilded balconied waiting room and stained glass skylight is a hidden secret gem of the New York area. And maybe it is threatened by all the reroutings into Penn Station but for now it is still a very busy and active station, older than Grand Central, could it be the oldest rail terminal at a water body still in active (And continuous) use in this country? (How many were there anyway?) The Route of the Phoebe Snow...you left from west 23rd street or Barclay Street..I wish they had left the old Greek revival ferry building at Barclay (Though it would be about a block inland today on the landfill maybe, if those weren't the pilings of the building piers we saw north of Battery Park City.. The town was laid out by John Stevens, of railroad locomotive fame, in 1784, after he bought it... ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #500 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <01a601c279ae$cc1b8060$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:38:37 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Venice, FL County to consider Venice Train Depot bid The Venice Train Depot Historic Rehabilitation effort may get back on track with a new construction contract. The Sarasota County Commission will decide Tuesday whether to approve a $2.3 million contract with Howell Construction Group, Inc. to help restore the train depot, which will be the main South County SCAT transfer station. The total cost of the project is estimated to cost $4 million. Howell Construction Group is being offered the contract after a deal fell through with low-bidder D.E. Murphy Constructors Inc. of Sarasota, which had quoted $1.5 million for the project. D.E. Murphy did not have the experience in historic preservation and renovation required for some funding sources. The company had also omitted the cost of replacing roof tile, which was added several hundred thousand dollars to the project. In August, Linda Stevenson of Stevenson Architects said restoration plans will likely include the original doors, windows, light fixtures, exterior stucco and tile that can be salvaged. Possible uses for the depot include a cafe, restaurant, ice cream parlor, biking, farmers market, public park, playground or museum. Venice railroad historian Rollins Coakley said the Venice Train Depot was built in 1926 by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. The depot was last used by the Seaboard Airline Railroad in 1972 when the company terminated the agent's position and closed the facility. The restoration process was aided by the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act, passed by the United States Congress in 1991. A provision in the bill that provided funding for the acquisition and restoration of historic train depots. According to Coakley, the 3-acre property and building were acquired by the county with $327,500 of ISTEA money. You can e-mail Renee LePere at lepere_@_sun-herald.com By RENEE LePERE Staff Writer ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <3DB548FD.70105_@_bellsouth.net> References: <01a601c279ae$cc1b8060$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:47:57 -0400 From: Seth Bramson Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Venice, FL Bernie Wagenblast wrote: >County to consider Venice Train Depot bid > > >Venice railroad historian Rollins Coakley said the Venice Train Depot was >built in 1926 by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers. The depot was last >used by the Seaboard Airline Railroad in 1972 when the company terminated the agent's position and closed the facility. > >>>I have written the article's author in regard to this story. First, I do not know who "Venice railroad historian Rollins Coakley" is. This does not mean that he does not exist, but it seems that I would have or should have heard his name somewhere along the way. Second, I dispute that the depot was built by the BLE. This is the first I have ever heard or seen that the station was built by a brotherhood. Why would a railroad brotherhood build a depot? It makes no sense and is not logical. Third, the name of the railroad is wrong. The ACL and SAL merged on 7-1-67 to form the SCL. I question this so-called "railroad historian's" credentials if he not only got the name of the railroad wrong, but used the pre depression/WW II era suffix ("Railroad") instead of the proper name for the Seaboard, "Railway." But that is really immaterial, as the name of the railroad was wrong to start with. I suggested to her that, for Florida railroad historical information verification, she and her editors could and should feel free to contact us. (No, I DO NOT "know it all," but and apparently I sure know enough to correct the grievous error or errors in the above paragraph). If I remember correctly, the Venice depot was built by a land developer so that SAL trains would stop there to serve his development. (Yes, I could look it up, but this is NOT for publication, but, rather, for discussion on this list. When I quote information to media for publication, you may be assured it is "correct.") > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00C0C9E94081D5119E5200508BB9051D02A6D3F5_@_mail1.itochu.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:22:21 -0400 From: james.dent_@_itochu.com Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Lackawanna Terminal Paul, The "ERIE" is still there! Look again, it is somewhat hidden in the photograph, it blends in with the building behind it. I didn't think it had been removed but this was pointed out by someone on the EL list. Jim Dent > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul S. Luchter [mailto:luckyshow_@_mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:55 AM > > > http://www.Railfan.net/lists/listthumb.cgi?rshsdepot-10-22-02 > > Hoboken.jpg (image/jpeg, 61547 bytes) > > >...I think it is wrong that they removed the 1960 addition of > the "Erie"after > the merger of the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western with the famed Erie > Railroad to form the Erie-Lackawanna...it had a valid > historical value and > was a relic from its time as well. It had historical > relevance to the site > and to the history of rail heads and ferry traffic on the Hudson... > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <114780-220021022219400245_@_M2W066.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:40:00 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN From the Ft Wayne News-Sentinel=2E=2E=2E Renovations complete at Baker Street train station The concourse's dedication is at noon Wednesday=2E By Nancy Nall of The News-Sentinel Finished vision Architect Victor Martin stands in the restored concourse of the Baker Street train station, now available to the public as a meeting or party space=2E Martin was the driving force behind the restoration of the statio= n, which will be rededicated on October 23=2E http://www=2Efortwayne=2Ecom/mld/newssentinel/4342258=2Ehtm =20 =20 When Victor Martin was a little boy, his family would stop at Fort Wayne's= Baker Street train station after church to buy the Sunday newspaper=2E His= parents would wait in the car, idling at the curb, while Victor ran in wit= h the quarter=2E The lady at the newsstand would always give him a piece of candy with his paper=2E He dates his love for the building to that era, th= at newsstand and "all that candy=2E" Today, Martin can run his toe over the noticeable dip in the terrazzo floo= r in front of where the newsstand once stood, look around the soaring concourse and consider what a difference half a lifetime can make: Once he= helped make this dip=2E Now he's helped make the building=2E The Baker Street train station, built in 1914, is fully restored, thanks i= n no small part to Martin=2E A partner in Martin Riley Mock Architects/Engineers, he helped put together a group of investors who bought the building from the city in the mid-'90s and have spent the last several years bringing it back into service, if not as a train station, then as an elegant, useful space to benefit the entire community=2E The concourse's dedication is set for noon Wednesday and is open to the public= =2E "We're a not-for-profit group, and we want to help other not-for-profit groups," said Martin, standing in the last part of the building to be finished - its central concourse=2E "This space is for that purpose=2E" The east and west wings of the building were restored first, and now house= Martin Riley Mock and an advertising firm=2E The concourse, restored in la= rge part with federal funds, took longer=2E Where it once rose 40 feet over passengers coming and going from Fort Wayne on the Pennsylvania Railroad, it now will host parties, fund-raisers, wedding receptions and other events, as a space for rent=2E In keeping with the building's history as a public resource, nonprofit groups will be given special consideration to use the concourse at less or= no charge=2E Already, Martin said, a church youth group is using the space for its meetings=2E Others are welcome, pending approval by the committee that run= s it=2E It's hard to know what delights Martin more - the restoration of the building to its former glory or its dedication as a community resource=2E The architect can appreciate every curve in the newly plastered ceiling an= d pane in the 60 stained-glass windows that line the highest part of its arch=2E Built in classic arts-and-crafts style, it is spare, functional an= d still beautiful=2E A photo of the concourse taken at the height of the railroad era shows little significant change=2E The separate waiting rooms for men and women have been absorbed into the office spaces, and their doorways are now filled with glass display cases holding railroad memorabilia, provided by local enthusiasts=2E But nearly everything else has either been restored or recreated from the original architectural details=2E Brass heating grates have been shined and polished and show the "PL" detailing from when the railroad was still called the Pennsylvania Lines=2E= Bronze light fixtures were custom-made by a California firm working from old photos=2E The stained-glass skylights, covered over in the 1950s, have been cleaned and polished=2E Behind the permanently closed ticket windows, shadowy huma= n silhouettes suggest the movement that was once there=2E Jerry and Linda Vandeveer, owners of the Wood Shack, an architectural salvage firm just down the block, donated an old luggage wagon once used there=2E On the south side of the building, where the sign "to trains" once pointed= , there's a wall-size photo mural of trains=2E It suggests one of the building owners' highest hopes - that someday, should passenger train service ever return to Fort Wayne - it left in 1990= - - the concourse can serve its original purpose once again=2E "All we'd have to do is knock out that wall," Martin said=2E "The ramps an= d steps are just beyond it, and it could all go back the way it was=2E" =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <410-2200210222194535506_@_M2W063.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:45:35 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Hagerstown, MD From the Hagerstown Mail-Herald=2E=2E=2E Big plans for Roundhouse rely on funds by CANDICE BOSELY martinsburg_@_herald-mail=2Ecom The Roundhouse complex sits nearly abandoned in Martinsburg, its broken windows, sagging walls and peeling paint the victims of mischievous youths= , weather and, the worst aggressor of all, time=2E=20 It's been more than 130 years since the complex was built - or rebuilt - since the original Roundhouse was burned by Confederate Gen=2E Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson during the Civil War=2E=20 It's been more than 10 years since the B&O railroad company abandoned the center, giving it up to weeds, pigeons and vandals=2E=20 One recent morning, however, life came again=2E Restoration workers from Pittsburgh, Pa=2E, worked on rebuilding an arched entryway, original brick= by original brick=2E Although many of the ground-floor windows are broken and= boarded, light poured in from a ring of nearly intact windows halfway up the roof=2E=20 C=2E William "Bill" Hayes walked around pointing out small details of the three-building complex, telling its history and hoped-for future=2E Hayes started working as executive director of the Roundhouse Authority Sept=2E = 1, after retiring from his former job in Maryland=2E=20 "You can see what a beautiful structure this is," Hayes said, standing in the center of the Roundhouse, the last of its kind still standing=2E=20 Seven were built, Hayes said, but only Martinsburg's remains=2E=20 "It's just a fabulous building=2E"=20 There is a round pit at the center of the Roundhouse, with wooden beams forming a platform on top=2E Train engines or cars were rolled onto the platform, then spun around as workers made repairs=2E Afterward, they were= rolled out on one of several tracks leading in different directions, Hayes= said=2E=20 Although trains are the Roundhouse's past, they probably will not be its future, Hayes said=2E=20 "(We hope to) hold conferences, concerts, trade shows, that sort of thing,= " he said=2E "This will be the grand hall=2E"=20 Future museum? At the adjacent Frog and Switch Shop, a single small cart on train wheels sits solitary in one corner=2E About the size of a four-wheeler, the carts= were used to haul supplies around the complex=2E=20 In this building sits a much smaller round platform - just a few feet across - on which the cart could be placed and then rolled in different directions=2E=20 Crushed rock replaces the former floor of wooden beams that had been soake= d with decades worth of oil and other flammable materials=2E=20 At the rear of the building is a former blacksmith shop, with a steam hammer in place=2E Used to forge repair parts, the steam hammer was sold f= or scrap when B&O closed the complex in the late 1980s=2E Its owner donated t= he immense steam hammer back when restoration began, Hayes said=2E=20 The Frog and Switch Shop is the building that may hold tanks and other heavy artillery pieces as a satellite location of the U=2ES=2E Army Museum= =2E=20 Although the Army is considering several sites, officials "let it slip" that Martinsburg is the only site with nearby rail access - the preferred way to move such heavy equipment, Hayes said=2E=20 No tank will move here, however, unless Roundhouse officials receive most or all of the $6=2E8 million they've requested from the state Economic Development Grant Committee, Hayes said=2E=20 Earlier this year, committee members heard proposals of projects from around the state=2E The Roundhouse project was one of more than 50 that ma= de it past the first round of consideration=2E=20 Berkeley County owns the Roundhouse, having purchased it from B&O=2E=20 One other local project for which funding was requested, the Eastern Regional Airport, was granted $1 million Thursday to build a new terminal=2E= There is no word on the status of other projects, including the Roundhouse= =2E=20 Machine shop Back at the complex, Hayes stood amid the rubble of what is left of the second Roundhouse, which caught fire and burned nearly to the ground several years ago=2E Hayes said he hopes Army officials might rebuild it=2E= Little remains now but a few chunks of the outer wall, held up by metal support beams=2E=20 The last building on Hayes' impromptu tour was the Machine and Bridge Shop= , which has little inside=2E A two-story building, it is long and rectangula= r, and seems the least interesting from the outside, Hayes said=2E=20 Minus graffiti on the wall, the shop is nearly empty=2E In one corner is a= n office, which was probably once impressive with its rounded woodwork but i= s now dirty and painted a lime green=2E Hayes said he hopes to use the space= as his office=2E=20 The building's second floor will probably be rented out to light industria= l companies or for use as offices, Hayes said=2E The main floor could be use= d for shops and restaurants=2E=20 Nothing is imminent=2E With the state grant money, the project could probably be finished in five= years, Hayes said=2E That money would also pay for a pedestrian bridge connecting the Caperton Train Station to the Roundhouse across still-used train tracks, and a bridge for car use off Queen Street=2E=20 Without that money, the project could take much longer, since Roundhouse officials would need to rely on miscellaneous grants from various sources,= Hayes said=2E=20 "(The state grant money) is needed for us to really get the property to th= e point where you can begin to have people occupy it," Hayes said=2E=20 =A92002 The Herald-Mail Company =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001c01c27a23$ee82f8c0$5450f6d1_@_name> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:36:59 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN Did Fort Wayne have other stations for Wabash, Nickel Plate or New York Central? Paul - -----Original Message----- From: jdent1_@_optonline.net To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN From the Ft Wayne News-Sentinel... Renovations complete at Baker Street train station The concourse's dedication is at noon Wednesday. By Nancy Nall of The News-Sentinel Finished vision Architect Victor Martin stands in the restored concourse of the Baker Street train station, now available to the public as a meeting or party space. Martin was the driving force behind the restoration of the station, which will be rededicated on October 23. http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/4342258.htm When Victor Martin was a little boy, his family would stop at Fort Wayne's Baker Street train station after church to buy the Sunday newspaper. His parents would wait in the car, idling at the curb, while Victor ran in with the quarter. The lady at the newsstand would always give him a piece of candy with his paper. He dates his love for the building to that era, that newsstand and "all that candy." Today, Martin can run his toe over the noticeable dip in the terrazzo floor in front of where the newsstand once stood, look around the soaring concourse and consider what a difference half a lifetime can make: Once he helped make this dip. Now he's helped make the building. The Baker Street train station, built in 1914, is fully restored, thanks in no small part to Martin. A partner in Martin Riley Mock Architects/Engineers, he helped put together a group of investors who bought the building from the city in the mid-'90s and have spent the last several years bringing it back into service, if not as a train station, then as an elegant, useful space to benefit the entire community. The concourse's dedication is set for noon Wednesday and is open to the public. "We're a not-for-profit group, and we want to help other not-for-profit groups," said Martin, standing in the last part of the building to be finished - its central concourse. "This space is for that purpose." The east and west wings of the building were restored first, and now house Martin Riley Mock and an advertising firm. The concourse, restored in large part with federal funds, took longer. Where it once rose 40 feet over passengers coming and going from Fort Wayne on the Pennsylvania Railroad, it now will host parties, fund-raisers, wedding receptions and other events, as a space for rent. In keeping with the building's history as a public resource, nonprofit groups will be given special consideration to use the concourse at less or no charge. Already, Martin said, a church youth group is using the space for its meetings. Others are welcome, pending approval by the committee that runs it. It's hard to know what delights Martin more - the restoration of the building to its former glory or its dedication as a community resource. The architect can appreciate every curve in the newly plastered ceiling and pane in the 60 stained-glass windows that line the highest part of its arch. Built in classic arts-and-crafts style, it is spare, functional and still beautiful. A photo of the concourse taken at the height of the railroad era shows little significant change. The separate waiting rooms for men and women have been absorbed into the office spaces, and their doorways are now filled with glass display cases holding railroad memorabilia, provided by local enthusiasts. But nearly everything else has either been restored or recreated from the original architectural details. Brass heating grates have been shined and polished and show the "PL" detailing from when the railroad was still called the Pennsylvania Lines. Bronze light fixtures were custom-made by a California firm working from old photos. The stained-glass skylights, covered over in the 1950s, have been cleaned and polished. Behind the permanently closed ticket windows, shadowy human silhouettes suggest the movement that was once there. Jerry and Linda Vandeveer, owners of the Wood Shack, an architectural salvage firm just down the block, donated an old luggage wagon once used there. On the south side of the building, where the sign "to trains" once pointed, there's a wall-size photo mural of trains. It suggests one of the building owners' highest hopes - that someday, should passenger train service ever return to Fort Wayne - it left in 1990 - - the concourse can serve its original purpose once again. "All we'd have to do is knock out that wall," Martin said. "The ramps and steps are just beyond it, and it could all go back the way it was." - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <103.1d9b29eb.2ae7584a_@_aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:41:30 EDT From: CoolGuy127_@_aol.com Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hagerstown, MD I'd just like to point out to everyone that although the newspaper article in which the story appeared was published in Hagerstown, MD, the roundhouse complex which the article talked about is in Martinsburg, WV! I just went by it yesterday on the Capitol Limited, and I was excited to observe that restoration of this long-neglected complex has begun. Daniel Chazin Teaneck, NJ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003701c27a3d$a87181c0$25a79840_@_name> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:41:12 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Slightly OT: CArteret Ferry As an addendum to the Chemical Coast route: There was the Carteret Ferry (1916-1929) between Carteret and Linoleumville on Staten Island. I know nothing else about it and have never seen a picture of it. [Linoleumville is a pretty good place name; my favorite is Copperopolis in the Sierra foothills in California] Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <005001c27a41$618404a0$25a79840_@_name> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:07:51 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Long Island RR Atlantic Avenue Ferry O.K., while I am obsessing on ferries, here is a factoid I don't know...when the LIRR using that old tunnel under Atlantic Avenue, went to the waterside with their trains: Where did those ferries from Atlantic Avenue go to in Manhattan? (1843-1861) This would be the first LIRR depot in Manhattan. Just north was the Wall Street Ferry, Montague Street (Which had a cable car-dates uncertain) to Wall Street (1852-1912) I also wonder where the South Side RR Ferry from South 8th Street in Williamsburg went to in Manhattan. (1873-1878) Any knowledge on this? Thanks, Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <004c01c27a43$e822fdc0$d817e943_@_default> References: <001c01c27a23$ee82f8c0$5450f6d1_@_name> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:25:55 -0500 From: "Verne and Joan Brummel" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN When I took my photos of the Baker St. (PRR) station in 1975, the N&W (Wabash) Fort Wayne station was still standing, adjacent, across the tracks. I understand it has since been torn down. Verne Brummel, Fitchburg,WI - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Luchter" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > Did Fort Wayne have other stations for Wabash, Nickel Plate or New York > Central? > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: jdent1_@_optonline.net > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:45 PM > Subject: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > > From the Ft Wayne News-Sentinel... > > Renovations complete at Baker Street train station > The concourse's dedication is at noon Wednesday. > By Nancy Nall > of The News-Sentinel > > Finished vision > Architect Victor Martin stands in the restored concourse of the Baker > Street train station, now available to the public as a meeting or party > space. Martin was the driving force behind the restoration of the station, > which will be rededicated on October 23. > http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/4342258.htm > > > When Victor Martin was a little boy, his family would stop at Fort Wayne's > Baker Street train station after church to buy the Sunday newspaper. His > parents would wait in the car, idling at the curb, while Victor ran in with > the quarter. The lady at the newsstand would always give him a piece of > candy with his paper. He dates his love for the building to that era, that > newsstand and "all that candy." > Today, Martin can run his toe over the noticeable dip in the terrazzo floor > in front of where the newsstand once stood, look around the soaring > concourse and consider what a difference half a lifetime can make: Once he > helped make this dip. Now he's helped make the building. > > The Baker Street train station, built in 1914, is fully restored, thanks in > no small part to Martin. A partner in Martin Riley Mock > Architects/Engineers, he helped put together a group of investors who > bought the building from the city in the mid-'90s and have spent the last > several years bringing it back into service, if not as a train station, > then as an elegant, useful space to benefit the entire community. The > concourse's dedication is set for noon Wednesday and is open to the public. > > "We're a not-for-profit group, and we want to help other not-for-profit > groups," said Martin, standing in the last part of the building to be > finished - its central concourse. "This space is for that purpose." > > The east and west wings of the building were restored first, and now house > Martin Riley Mock and an advertising firm. The concourse, restored in large > part with federal funds, took longer. Where it once rose 40 feet over > passengers coming and going from Fort Wayne on the Pennsylvania Railroad, > it now will host parties, fund-raisers, wedding receptions and other > events, as a space for rent. > > In keeping with the building's history as a public resource, nonprofit > groups will be given special consideration to use the concourse at less or > no charge. > > Already, Martin said, a church youth group is using the space for its > meetings. Others are welcome, pending approval by the committee that runs > it. > > It's hard to know what delights Martin more - the restoration of the > building to its former glory or its dedication as a community resource. > > The architect can appreciate every curve in the newly plastered ceiling and > pane in the 60 stained-glass windows that line the highest part of its > arch. Built in classic arts-and-crafts style, it is spare, functional and > still beautiful. > > A photo of the concourse taken at the height of the railroad era shows > little significant change. The separate waiting rooms for men and women > have been absorbed into the office spaces, and their doorways are now > filled with glass display cases holding railroad memorabilia, provided by > local enthusiasts. > > But nearly everything else has either been restored or recreated from the > original architectural details. > > Brass heating grates have been shined and polished and show the "PL" > detailing from when the railroad was still called the Pennsylvania Lines. > Bronze light fixtures were custom-made by a California firm working from > old photos. > > The stained-glass skylights, covered over in the 1950s, have been cleaned > and polished. Behind the permanently closed ticket windows, shadowy human > silhouettes suggest the movement that was once there. > > Jerry and Linda Vandeveer, owners of the Wood Shack, an architectural > salvage firm just down the block, donated an old luggage wagon once used > there. > > On the south side of the building, where the sign "to trains" once pointed, > there's a wall-size photo mural of trains. > > It suggests one of the building owners' highest hopes - that someday, > should passenger train service ever return to Fort Wayne - it left in 1990 > - the concourse can serve its original purpose once again. > > "All we'd have to do is knock out that wall," Martin said. "The ramps and > steps are just beyond it, and it could all go back the way it was." > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > =========== > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #501 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:15:43 -0400 From: "Camp, Mark" Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN If you look on the RSHS website you will see that Fort Wayne still has a = LS&MS (later NYC) depot standing. The NKP ended up with an elevated = station. You can still see the stairs and platforms but the actual = depot is gone. As mentioned below the large brick Wabash depot has been = gone for at least 20 years. Mark J. Camp, RSHS > ---------- > From: Verne and Joan Brummel > Reply To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:25 PM > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net; jdent1@optonline.net > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN >=20 > When I took my photos of the Baker St. (PRR) station in 1975, the N&W > (Wabash) Fort Wayne station was still standing, adjacent, across the = tracks. > I understand it has since been torn down. > Verne Brummel, Fitchburg,WI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul S. Luchter" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN >=20 >=20 > > Did Fort Wayne have other stations for Wabash, Nickel Plate or New = York > > Central? > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jdent1_@_optonline.net > > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > > Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:45 PM > > Subject: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > > > > > From the Ft Wayne News-Sentinel... > > > > Renovations complete at Baker Street train station > > The concourse's dedication is at noon Wednesday. > > By Nancy Nall > > of The News-Sentinel > > > > Finished vision > > Architect Victor Martin stands in the restored concourse of the = Baker > > Street train station, now available to the public as a meeting or = party > > space. Martin was the driving force behind the restoration of the = station, > > which will be rededicated on October 23. > > http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/4342258.htm > > > > > > When Victor Martin was a little boy, his family would stop at Fort = Wayne's > > Baker Street train station after church to buy the Sunday newspaper. = His > > parents would wait in the car, idling at the curb, while Victor ran = in > with > > the quarter. The lady at the newsstand would always give him a piece = of > > candy with his paper. He dates his love for the building to that = era, that > > newsstand and "all that candy." > > Today, Martin can run his toe over the noticeable dip in the = terrazzo > floor > > in front of where the newsstand once stood, look around the soaring > > concourse and consider what a difference half a lifetime can make: = Once he > > helped make this dip. Now he's helped make the building. > > > > The Baker Street train station, built in 1914, is fully restored, = thanks > in > > no small part to Martin. A partner in Martin Riley Mock > > Architects/Engineers, he helped put together a group of investors = who > > bought the building from the city in the mid-'90s and have spent the = last > > several years bringing it back into service, if not as a train = station, > > then as an elegant, useful space to benefit the entire community. = The > > concourse's dedication is set for noon Wednesday and is open to the > public. > > > > "We're a not-for-profit group, and we want to help other = not-for-profit > > groups," said Martin, standing in the last part of the building to = be > > finished - its central concourse. "This space is for that purpose." > > > > The east and west wings of the building were restored first, and now = house > > Martin Riley Mock and an advertising firm. The concourse, restored = in > large > > part with federal funds, took longer. Where it once rose 40 feet = over > > passengers coming and going from Fort Wayne on the Pennsylvania = Railroad, > > it now will host parties, fund-raisers, wedding receptions and other > > events, as a space for rent. > > > > In keeping with the building's history as a public resource, = nonprofit > > groups will be given special consideration to use the concourse at = less or>=20 > > no charge. > > > > Already, Martin said, a church youth group is using the space for = its > > meetings. Others are welcome, pending approval by the committee that = runs > > it. > > > > It's hard to know what delights Martin more - the restoration of the > > building to its former glory or its dedication as a community = resource. > > > > The architect can appreciate every curve in the newly plastered = ceiling > and > > pane in the 60 stained-glass windows that line the highest part of = its > > arch. Built in classic arts-and-crafts style, it is spare, = functional and > > still beautiful. > > > > A photo of the concourse taken at the height of the railroad era = shows > > little significant change. The separate waiting rooms for men and = women > > have been absorbed into the office spaces, and their doorways are = now > > filled with glass display cases holding railroad memorabilia, = provided by > > local enthusiasts. > > > > But nearly everything else has either been restored or recreated = from the > > original architectural details. > > > > Brass heating grates have been shined and polished and show the "PL" > > detailing from when the railroad was still called the Pennsylvania = Lines. > > Bronze light fixtures were custom-made by a California firm working = from > > old photos. > > > > The stained-glass skylights, covered over in the 1950s, have been = cleaned > > and polished. Behind the permanently closed ticket windows, shadowy = human > > silhouettes suggest the movement that was once there. > > > > Jerry and Linda Vandeveer, owners of the Wood Shack, an = architectural > > salvage firm just down the block, donated an old luggage wagon once = used > > there. > > > > On the south side of the building, where the sign "to trains" once > pointed, > > there's a wall-size photo mural of trains. > > > > It suggests one of the building owners' highest hopes - that = someday, > > should passenger train service ever return to Fort Wayne - it left = in 1990 > > - the concourse can serve its original purpose once again. > > > > "All we'd have to do is knock out that wall," Martin said. "The = ramps and > > steps are just beyond it, and it could all go back the way it was." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of = existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of = existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of = existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org >=20 >=20 ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <04b001c27abb$5f5675d0$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:41:09 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) CNJ Festival in Jersey City Folks on the list might be interested in the CNJ Railroad Heritage Festival being held Sunday, October 27 from 10 a.m. till 5 p.m. at the CNJ Terminal in Liberty State Park, Jersey City. The festival Web site can be found at: http://www.cnjfestival.com/ The schedule of events was just posted at the site. It includes a walking tour of the Jackson Avenue station, a presentation on waterfront terminals along the Hudson and information on terminal restoration plans. Bernie Wagenblast ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <00b601c27b09$53fff280$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> References: <103.1d9b29eb.2ae7584a_@_aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:59:11 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Martinsburg WV (not Hagerstown, MD) Of course Daniel is right, sometimes I stare at the computer tooo long, sorry! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Hagerstown, MD > I'd just like to point out to everyone that although the newspaper > article in which the story appeared was published in Hagerstown, MD, the > roundhouse complex which the article talked about is in Martinsburg, WV! I > just went by it yesterday on the Capitol Limited, and I was excited to > observe that restoration of this long-neglected complex has begun. > > Daniel Chazin > Teaneck, NJ > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #502 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <163.161fe36c.2ae93446_@_aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:32:22 EDT From: Dherbert53_@_aol.com Subject: (rshsdepot) A little off topic, but can anyone help Jeremy? Hello, Just asking anyone that might be interested to sign the petition on my webite at http://www.wmwestsub.com/main.htm It's a petition to see how many people are in favor of a possible trail being made out of the abandoned WM right-of-way near Paw Paw. It's just a study at the moment, but if it doesn't go thru the right-of-way will be turned back to the adjacent land owners and probaly lost forever. I know many of you do not like railtrails, and I would love to see rails down before any trail but it will never happen through here and I do not wanna see this route lost forever, so I you would please sign the petition or write a letter to the C&O Canal Superintendent. Thank you, Jeremy Cooper http://www.wmwestsub.com/main.htm - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? Try Us! Click Here! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: abandonedrailroadsoftheus-unsubscribe_@_yahoogroups.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Fwd: WM petition From: "Mark Fisher" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:56:25 -0000 From: "Mark Fisher" Subject: Fwd: WM petition - --- In WVrailfans_@_y..., "jeremy cooper" wrote: Hello, Just asking anyone that might be interested to sign the petition on my webite at http://www.wmwestsub.com/main.htm It's a petition to see how many people are in favor of a possible trail being made out of the abandoned WM right-of-way near Paw Paw. It's just a study at the moment, but if it doesn't go thru the right-of-way will be turned back to the adjacent land owners and probaly lost forever. I know many of you do not like railtrails, and I would love to see rails down before any trail but it will never happen through here and I do not wanna see this route lost forever, so I you would please sign the petition or write a letter to the C&O Canal Superintendent. Thank you, Jeremy Cooper http://www.wmwestsub.com/main.htm _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - --- End forwarded message --- ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001801c27b70$a7904a00$46491c43_@_oemcomputer> References: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:18:44 -0000 From: "Gene Paoli" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN Fort Wayne station was designed by none other than Philadelphia's own Price and McLanahan, thought some might like to know..... Gene Paoli stationman_@_prodigy.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: Camp, Mark To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: RE: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN If you look on the RSHS website you will see that Fort Wayne still has a LS&MS (later NYC) depot standing. The NKP ended up with an elevated station. You can still see the stairs and platforms but the actual depot is gone. As mentioned below the large brick Wabash depot has been gone for at least 20 years. Mark J. Camp, RSHS > ---------- > From: Verne and Joan Brummel > Reply To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:25 PM > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net; jdent1@optonline.net > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > When I took my photos of the Baker St. (PRR) station in 1975, the N&W > (Wabash) Fort Wayne station was still standing, adjacent, across the tracks. > I understand it has since been torn down. > Verne Brummel, Fitchburg,WI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul S. Luchter" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > > > Did Fort Wayne have other stations for Wabash, Nickel Plate or New York > > Central? > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jdent1_@_optonline.net > > To: rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net > > Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:45 PM > > Subject: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > > > > > From the Ft Wayne News-Sentinel... > > > > Renovations complete at Baker Street train station > > The concourse's dedication is at noon Wednesday. > > By Nancy Nall > > of The News-Sentinel > > > > Finished vision > > Architect Victor Martin stands in the restored concourse of the Baker > > Street train station, now available to the public as a meeting or party > > space. Martin was the driving force behind the restoration of the station, > > which will be rededicated on October 23. > > http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/4342258.htm > > > > > > When Victor Martin was a little boy, his family would stop at Fort Wayne's > > Baker Street train station after church to buy the Sunday newspaper. His > > parents would wait in the car, idling at the curb, while Victor ran in > with > > the quarter. The lady at the newsstand would always give him a piece of > > candy with his paper. He dates his love for the building to that era, that > > newsstand and "all that candy." > > Today, Martin can run his toe over the noticeable dip in the terrazzo > floor > > in front of where the newsstand once stood, look around the soaring > > concourse and consider what a difference half a lifetime can make: Once he > > helped make this dip. Now he's helped make the building. > > > > The Baker Street train station, built in 1914, is fully restored, thanks > in > > no small part to Martin. A partner in Martin Riley Mock > > Architects/Engineers, he helped put together a group of investors who > > bought the building from the city in the mid-'90s and have spent the last > > several years bringing it back into service, if not as a train station, > > then as an elegant, useful space to benefit the entire community. The > > concourse's dedication is set for noon Wednesday and is open to the > public. > > > > "We're a not-for-profit group, and we want to help other not-for-profit > > groups," said Martin, standing in the last part of the building to be > > finished - its central concourse. "This space is for that purpose." > > > > The east and west wings of the building were restored first, and now house > > Martin Riley Mock and an advertising firm. The concourse, restored in > large > > part with federal funds, took longer. Where it once rose 40 feet over > > passengers coming and going from Fort Wayne on the Pennsylvania Railroad, > > it now will host parties, fund-raisers, wedding receptions and other > > events, as a space for rent. > > > > In keeping with the building's history as a public resource, nonprofit > > groups will be given special consideration to use the concourse at less or> > > no charge. > > > > Already, Martin said, a church youth group is using the space for its > > meetings. Others are welcome, pending approval by the committee that runs > > it. > > > > It's hard to know what delights Martin more - the restoration of the > > building to its former glory or its dedication as a community resource. > > > > The architect can appreciate every curve in the newly plastered ceiling > and > > pane in the 60 stained-glass windows that line the highest part of its > > arch. Built in classic arts-and-crafts style, it is spare, functional and > > still beautiful. > > > > A photo of the concourse taken at the height of the railroad era shows > > little significant change. The separate waiting rooms for men and women > > have been absorbed into the office spaces, and their doorways are now > > filled with glass display cases holding railroad memorabilia, provided by > > local enthusiasts. > > > > But nearly everything else has either been restored or recreated from the > > original architectural details. > > > > Brass heating grates have been shined and polished and show the "PL" > > detailing from when the railroad was still called the Pennsylvania Lines. > > Bronze light fixtures were custom-made by a California firm working from > > old photos. > > > > The stained-glass skylights, covered over in the 1950s, have been cleaned > > and polished. Behind the permanently closed ticket windows, shadowy human > > silhouettes suggest the movement that was once there. > > > > Jerry and Linda Vandeveer, owners of the Wood Shack, an architectural > > salvage firm just down the block, donated an old luggage wagon once used > > there. > > > > On the south side of the building, where the sign "to trains" once > pointed, > > there's a wall-size photo mural of trains. > > > > It suggests one of the building owners' highest hopes - that someday, > > should passenger train service ever return to Fort Wayne - it left in 1990 > > - the concourse can serve its original purpose once again. > > > > "All we'd have to do is knock out that wall," Martin said. "The ramps and > > steps are just beyond it, and it could all go back the way it was." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > =========== > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > =========== The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <064a01c27b9b$12986600$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:22:27 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Tyler, TX CITY KEEPING DEPOT PLAN ON TRACK By: LAURA JETT KRANTZ, Staff Writer October 23, 2002 Tyler City Council members heard a report on the long-vacant Cotton Belt Depot in Tyler at the end of Wednesday's regularly scheduled meeting at City Hall. Tyler City Council members heard a report on the long-vacant Cotton Belt Depot in Tyler at the end of Wednesday's regularly scheduled meeting at City Hall. Architect Mike Butler of Fitzpatrick-Butler Architects told the council there has been considerable discussion among various agencies about the future of the building, but if all goes as planned, bids will be opened Dec. 17 on the next phase of construction. "There's a lot of paperwork that's gone behind on this," he said. "A lot of agencies have had to sign off on this." Work will probably begin in early January after the council approves contracts, said city of Tyler Project Coordinator Bill Ward. Butler said this work would complete the first two phases. The first phase focused on stabilizing the structure and the exterior so there was no more deterioration, he said. During the second phase, work was done to restore the windows and the infrastructure of the interior of the east side of the building, including plumbing and electrical systems. The next phase will finish the installation of the plumbing and electric fixtures, as well as the air-conditioning system on the west side of the building, and completely restore the east side of the building. A parking lot will also be added across the railroad tracks to the east, Butler said. "When this is complete, somebody should be able to occupy the building," he said. Ward said grant requirements to restore the depot have slowed the process and caused some problems, but the result will be worth it. The Cotton Belt Depot was built in 1905. After its use as a depot, the railroad continued to use the structure for offices and storage until it was boarded up in 1987. In September 1988, Southern Pacific Railroad donated the building to the city. Only after the deed was inspected did the city learn the railroad company had not conveyed the land beneath it. The city then began paying the railroad $100 per year for use of the land. In 1995, the city used a grant and matching funds to purchase the land on which the depot sits and launched plans for improving the structure. In 1999, the depot was stabilized and the city was awaiting state funding to restore the interior on the west side to use as offices for Tyler Transit bus service. Ward said interior work done later included putting in the electrical and plumbing systems, except for the fixtures. "The grant money we had at the time just didn't go that far," he said. Officials said work has been at a standstill since 2000. The final phase will finish all work on the west end and completely restore the east end of the building. Officials said the east end of the building would be used for meeting rooms. At one time, Cotton Belt Rail Historical Society Tyler Tap Chapter had been chosen to operate a railroad museum on the east side of the depot. But CBRHS officials said they had always requested to use either space on the west side or the entire depot, and later withdrew their offer to place a museum there. Laura Jett Krantz covers Tyler city government, planning and zoning, federal courts, and the Parks Board. She can be reached at 903.596.6266. e-mail: news_@_tylerpaper.com ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <3DB85A41.8070102_@_bellsouth.net> References: <001801c27b70$a7904a00$46491c43@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:38:25 -0400 From: Seth Bramson Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN Gene Paoli wrote: >Fort Wayne station was designed by none other than Philadelphia's own Price >and McLanahan, thought some might like to know..... >Gene Paoli >stationman_@_prodigy.net > >>>I think we'd also like to know who designed Paoli, Gene. > > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <002901c27bc5$65839090$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:25:16 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Broadway Station - Flushing, NY Once dingy Flushing station gets repairs, stained-glass By Alexander Dworkowitz 10/24/2002 Times-Ledger State Sen. Frank Padavan (R-Bellerose) and Long Island Rail Road officials cut the ribbon on the renovated Broadway station which had been sitting in disrepair for decades. Work on the station in Flushing, which is mostly complete, was funded by a $1.7 million grant secured by Padavan and has taken about a year. Padavan contrasted the old station with its renovated version. "It was a kind of dingy, little thing," Padavan said of the LIRR stop before work had started. "This makes the experience of commuters a lot more pleasant." The $1.7 million funded a wide range of work. The roof was replaced with shingles and the waiting room was completely redone with a ceramic tile floor, air conditioning, a new ticket window and two new bathrooms. New doors and small, stained-glass windows also were added to the waiting room. The station was completely repainted. The work on the Broadway station is part of a large project launched by the LIRR to renovate its Queens and Long Island stations. The conditions of the stations have prompted criticism. In April 2001, city Comptroller Alan Hevesi issued a report saying that broken concrete, leaking water, and exposed and protruding nails presented safety hazards at stations in Queens. The report found the Broadway station as well as the Murray Hill and Rosedale stops to be in poor condition. According to Hevesi's report, the Broadway station had "a deteriorated platform and a large section of fallen concrete along with a platform shelter with protruding rusty nails, puddles of water and uneven platform sidewalks with gaps in paving." The repair of the Broadway station comes in the third year of the LIRR's program to fix 65 of its 124 stations, said LIRR President Kenneth Bauer. "When I did a tour of Queens stations, there were a number of stations in need of repair, and I think we've really worked to do that," Bauer said. Padavan has appropriated funding for several of those stations. The Auburndale station is currently in the midst of a platform extension with $2.5 million allocated by Padavan. Padavan said he had also secured $2 million for the Murray Hill station, where work is expected to begin in the spring of 2003. Community leaders who gathered at the ribbon cutting noted the difference in the Broadway station. "I ride this frequently," said Mary Anderson, president of the East Flushing Civic Association. "And I can't believe the difference. We are going to get more ridership. We have a beautiful waiting room." Anderson said graffiti had plagued the station in the past, and she hoped the LIRR would make sure to paint over graffiti at the renovated station in the future. Reach reporter Alexander Dworkowitz by e-mail at Timesledger_@_aol.com or call 229-0300, Ext. 141. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000a01c27c41$910900c0$e28e13cf_@_lner4472> References: <200210240934.g9O9Y0Qp037789_@_net.bluemoon.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:14:14 -0400 From: "Alexander D. Mitchell IV" Subject: (rshsdepot) Selinsgrove, Pa. PRR station up for auction Nov. 21 From today's Sunbury (Pa.) Daily Item (www.dailyitem.com). Photo of the station at: http://www.west2k.com/papix/selinsgrove.jpg [Selinsgrove, Pa.] Borough to sell train station at auction - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- By John Finnerty The Daily Item - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- SELINSGROVE - The Borough Council has decided that the cost of renovating a vacant train station for borough use is too high, so the property will be sold next month. Selinsgrove purchased the former train station on High Street from Norfolk Southern for $35,000 last year. It will be sold at auction at 7 p.m. Nov. 21. Borough officials had considered converting the station into the home for the police department. However, after studying the matter, borough officials ultimately determined that the costs of renovating the station were too high, said council member George Kinney. Kinney chairs the property and facilities committee, which recommended to the council that the station be put up for sale. Kinney said he thinks there is enough room in and around the borough municipal building to accommodate any expansion for the police department's offices. The one-story train station dates from the 19th century, according to information provided by the borough. The station was built following the start of construction of the Middle Creek Railroad in 1865. The first train arrived in Selinsgrove in 1871. [Correction: The existing station is actually the second on the site, believed to have been built ca. 1905 and expanded ca. 1923. The branch line beside the station is still worked by a NS local out of Northumberland three times a week.] The building includes 1,200 square feet of office space and another 1,200 square feet of dock space. It is located on a half-acre parcel. The property is zoned for general commercial use. The borough has had environmental and structural studies of the building completed. Those inspections found no problems with either the structural integrity of the building or any chemical hazards on the site, Kinney said. Terms of the sale include caveats that the buyer must install a sidewalk and fencing and maintain the historic character of the building's exterior. Alexander D. Mitchell IV ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <146040-2200210525172118558_@_M2W069.mail2web.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:21:18 -0400 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) San Bernardino CA From the San Bernardino County Sun=2E=2E=2E All get aboard to redo SB depot Officials fire up $14 million plan By BEN SCHNAYERSON, Staff Writer At Thursday's groundbreaking ceremony for the Santa Fe Depot renovation, all the speakers stressed how much history the 84-year-old train station holds for San Bernardino=2E But Chuck Bridenstine, 87, who worked as a depot electrician for more than= three decades, has a railroad history that runs even deeper=2E His grandfather was an engineer during the Civil War, his father and brother were both engineers, and he was hired to work at the San Bernardin= o depot shortly after his three years of service in World War II=2E "I came in when the steam engine was just =2E=2E=2E (being replaced),' sai= d Bridenstine, who lives in Colton=2E San Bernardino officials hope the renovation will bring back some of the railroad culture Bridenstine has lived through=2E During the next 18 months, contractors will paint the walls, upgrade electrical and plumbing systems, fix the windows, install fire sprinklers,= and make the depot more accessible for the disabled=2E=20 The total cost to bring back the depot's Mission-style look is expected to= be about $14 million=2E Mayor Judith Valles hopes the depot's new look will boost rejuvenation of the whole neighborhood=2E "This entire area is going to be the Santa Fe Historical District,' she told a crowd of about 50 people=2E Developer Arthur Pearlman plans to work with the city to regrade the area between the depot and Second Street and between K Street and Mount Vernon Avenue to add more parking=2E "What they don't have today is enough parkin= g for the depot,' Pearlman said=2E There also are plans to raze the market across from the depot and build th= e Mercado Santa Fe with architecture that matches the Depot's=2E Now, people don't visit the depot area except to catch their Amtrak or Metrolink trains, said Mike Blair, director of transit and rail programs for the San Bernardino Associated Governments, which co-owns the depot wit= h the city=2E Blair said that after the renovation, Sanbag will move its downtown office= s to the depot's second floor, Metrolink and Amtrak will have offices on the= first floor and other offices will be rented=2E There are plans for a restaurant inside the depot as well as a train museu= m next door=2E Councilman Gordon McGinnis said that with the planned renovations, the depot and surrounding area will be a destination point for visitors to San= Bernardino=2E "Maybe they might stick around here a little bit and maybe go to the mall across the street,' McGinnis said=2E The area may also get an economic boost when companies working with Sanbag= , such as engineering firms, set up offices next to the depot, Pearlman said= =2E Loma Linda resident Bob Apodaca, 65, said he used to pass through the depo= t in the early 1960s, when he worked on a rail-detector crew=2E Since he didn't live here at the time, he would go to the bowling alley on= E Street, where the Brandin Iron is now, and then play poker on the second= floor of the depot all night=2E But the depot itself had an energy Apodaca can't forget=2E "It was a romantic thing,' he said=2E "It was like a world cruise=2E There= were people coming and going all the time=2E'=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007201c27ca1$669ae000$ded9d23f_@_name> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:40:14 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) OT: Pasquale Paoli Pasquale Paoli was a general who liberated most of Corsica from the Genoans, then lost it to France. (Genoa sold it to France tired of the rebellion). His father Giacinto Paoli had fought the Genoans, and both were in exile in Naples, even serving in the Neapolitan army, before he returned and led the Corsican government before he renewed his war against Genoa. The French were invited by Genoa to protect the fortifications, so Paoli didn't fight them, but after the sale he continued the struggle against France. After the French Revolution he was leader of Corsica again, but the revolutionaries called him reactionary, claimed he was the reason the expedition to Sardinia failed, and outlawed him.. Civil War ensued in Corsica, the British backing Paoli and driving out the French...But the British didn't use him in their politics and riots ensued. He lived his final days in London under a British pension. (1725-1807) Whether this has anything to do with Paoli, Pennsylvania, or to Gene, I have no idea. Nor the history of any railroads in Corsica... Paul ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <008a01c27cc3$d0de6d20$ded9d23f_@_name> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:46:28 -0400 From: "Paul S. Luchter" Subject: (rshsdepot) Trinighedellu ("Little Train of Corsica") [the station pictures linked at the end are great.] First there are four Paoli's in this country (and none in Corsica). The one on the PRR in Pennsylvania There is one in northeastern Colorado on the Burlington [pardon my using the earlier RR names] There is one in Oklahoma on the Santa Fe. There is one in southern Indiana. The railroad n my old map says CI&L. I am not sure which RR that was, it became part of the L&N. and conected with the southern not far south of Paoli I think. Corsica has a one meter gauge RR. Sardinia also has a narrow gauge RR. These two islands are in the Tyrrhenian Sea... See: http://www.corsica.net/corsica/uk/venir/move/fer.htm for a simple map of the narrow gauge RR of Corsicaand a nice photo of a self-propelled car on a wonderful Vecchio bridge designed by Eiffel....once there was also a branch that went along the eastern coast to Porto-Vecchio..The Germans destroyed this coastal route in 1943. From Bastia to Ajaccio are 43 tunnels, see: http://members.lycos.nl/TerraCorsa/island.html Here are train photos, some in fron of Calvi and Ajaccio stations: http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/fr/narrow_gauge/Corse/pix.html On this page: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/ is a picture of a train with seemingly an odd make-up of different size cars, and at the bottom links to pictures including old ones from steam days.. Porto Veccio terminal: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/pv42.html http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/melero17.html http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/pv43.html That station looks like the wild west; the one in Ajaccio was grander, mission style : http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/aiac6.html Here is La Gare at Bastia; this impressive depot was destroyed in 1943 by the war: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/bastia17.html http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/bastia19.html The following two are amazing photos: Here is a 2-6-0 pulling a mixed train into Calvi station, it might be mistaken for one from Arizona or Mexico: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/calvi24.html Here is the city side of Calvi station, this is a nice picture, here it doesn't look like North America: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/calvidd2.html A mallet at Corte/Corti: http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/corti27.html These are great and tehre is lots more, check tehm out. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #503 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <01dd01c27ce7$0c8aae60$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:58:50 -0400 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Russellville, AR Arson suspected at depot By Sean Ingram judicial_@_couriernews.com Russellville firefighters responded to a fire at the train depot early Friday morning that is being investigated by authorities due to its suspicious nature. Pope County 9-1-1 originally dispatched firefighters to Stoby's on El Paso at approximately 1:50 a.m. Friday after witnesses stated they saw flames and smoke at the rear of the building. Firefighters arrived moments later not in the restaurant parking lot but along West C Street in front of the depot. The fire, located under the breezeway portion of the west end of the depot, was extinguished quickly. The fire originated in a portable toilet that was positioned underneath the overhang, according to RFD Public Information Officer Richard Setian. The cause of the fire is suspicious and currently under investigation. A report indicated damage was estimated at least $10,000. "This is not just vandalism," said Trey Smith, Russellville city attorney. "Arson is a felony punishable by law. The class of felony is determined by the amount of monetary damage done to the building." Several individuals have offered to donate funds toward a $500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible. "It's different to understand vandalism," said Linda Polk Carnahan, chairman of the Friends of the Depot organization. The depot is being remodeled as a museum and public gathering place. "When people are working so hard to create a wonderful asset to our community, it is shocking to know that there are a few who are willing to destroy it." ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: References: <200210260934.g9Q9Y1OJ035321_@_net.bluemoon.net> In-Reply-To: <200210260934.g9Q9Y1OJ035321_@_net.bluemoon.net> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:22:58 -0400 From: Derek Boles Subject: (rshsdepot) Toronto Union Station A group called Save Union Station has been formed by former Toronto mayor John Sewell in response to plans to commercially redevelop the station. The group has a website at: http://www.saveunionstation.ca Derek Boles ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <001501c27cfd$f1c84800$154a1c43_@_oemcomputer> References: <001801c27b70$a7904a00$46491c43@oemcomputer> <3DB85A41.8070102@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:42:42 -0000 From: "Gene Paoli" Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN The 1867 Paoli station was designed by the Wilson brothers of Phila, the outbound shelter is extant) prior to its existance, the old 1768 Paoli tavern (named for General Paoli, since demolished) was the station, only 700yards east of the Green Tree tavern, the end of the line for the P&C for quite some time. The 1942 station and express office, which I was a ticket agent for a few months, was designed by Raymond Loewy with Lester D. Claude Ticky. The Paoli tower (which lost its 2nd story bay after it was struck in a wreck) is a standard Wilson Bros design found also at several other locations such as Bryn Mawr, Princeton, NJ (demolished) etc. The section house was designed by William Holmes Cookman. The Power/Transmission Building was designed by United Engineers and Contractors of Phila during electrification. The concrete equipment and guard shelter were designed by William (Stone) Brown's famous engineering dept and copied by the B&O, C&O and the CNJ. (the real reason behind these concrete structures was actually Dupont, of Delaware. You can see Duponts concrete experiments across the street from Montcanin station in Delaware). If anyone is interested, I several post cards and pictures of all these structures and will post them, just let me know.... Gene Paoli stationman_@_prodigy.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: Seth Bramson To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > Gene Paoli wrote: > > >Fort Wayne station was designed by none other than Philadelphia's own Price > >and McLanahan, thought some might like to know..... > >Gene Paoli > >stationman_@_prodigy.net > > > >>>I think we'd also like to know who designed Paoli, Gene. > > > > > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <000b01c27d51$7b985900$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:40:43 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: (rshsdepot) Fw: BOUNCE rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net: Non-member submission from [Michael Rodenburger ] - ----- Original Message ----- Subject: BOUNCE rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net: Non-member submission from [Michael Rodenburger ] > Subject: Re: Trinighedellu ("Little Train of Corsica") > References: <008a01c27cc3$d0de6d20$ded9d23f_@_name> > Content-type: text/plain > > What about Paoli's Restaurant in San Jose, CA? > > "Paul S. Luchter" wrote: > > > [the station pictures linked at the end are great.] > > > > First there are four Paoli's in this country (and none in Corsica). The one > > on the PRR in Pennsylvania > > > > There is one in northeastern Colorado on the Burlington [pardon my using the > > earlier RR names] > > > > There is one in Oklahoma on the Santa Fe. > > > > There is one in southern Indiana. The railroad n my old map says CI&L. I am > > not sure which RR that was, it became part of the L&N. and conected with the > > southern not far south of Paoli I think. > > > > Corsica has a one meter gauge RR. Sardinia also has a narrow gauge RR. > > These two islands are in the Tyrrhenian Sea... > > > > See: > > http://www.corsica.net/corsica/uk/venir/move/fer.htm > > for a simple map of the narrow gauge RR of Corsicaand a nice photo of a > > self-propelled car on a wonderful Vecchio bridge designed by Eiffel....once > > there was also a branch that went along the eastern coast to > > Porto-Vecchio..The Germans destroyed this coastal route in 1943. > > > > >From Bastia to Ajaccio are 43 tunnels, see: > > http://members.lycos.nl/TerraCorsa/island.html > > > > Here are train photos, some in fron of Calvi and Ajaccio stations: > > http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/fr/narrow_gauge/Corse/pix.html > > > > On this page: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/ > > is a picture of a train with seemingly an odd make-up of different size > > cars, and at the bottom links to pictures including old ones from steam > > days.. > > > > Porto Veccio terminal: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/pv42.html > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/melero17.html > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/pv43.html > > > > That station looks like the wild west; the one in Ajaccio was grander, > > mission style : > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/aiac6.html > > > > Here is La Gare at Bastia; this impressive depot was destroyed in 1943 by > > the war: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/bastia17.html > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/bastia19.html > > > > The following two are amazing photos: > > Here is a 2-6-0 pulling a mixed train into Calvi station, it might be > > mistaken for one from Arizona or Mexico: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/calvi24.html > > > > Here is the city side of Calvi station, this is a nice picture, here it > > doesn't look like North America: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/calvidd2.html > > > > A mallet at Corte/Corti: > > http://home.nordnet.fr/~lbeaumadier/imganc/corti27.html > > > > These are great and tehre is lots more, check tehm out. > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <003201c27d52$d90b9380$0300a8c0_@_oemcomputer> References: <001801c27b70$a7904a00$46491c43@oemcomputer> <3DB85A41.8070102@bellsouth.net> <001501c27cfd$f1c84800$154a1c43@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:50:29 -0400 From: Jim Dent Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN Gene, I would very much like to see the postcards if you care to post them. Jim Dent - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Paoli" To: Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > The 1867 Paoli station was designed by the Wilson brothers of Phila, the > outbound shelter is extant) prior to its existance, the old 1768 Paoli > tavern (named for General Paoli, since demolished) was the station, only > 700yards east of the Green Tree tavern, the end of the line for the P&C for > quite some time. The 1942 station and express office, which I was a ticket > agent for a few months, was designed by Raymond Loewy with Lester D. Claude > Ticky. The Paoli tower (which lost its 2nd story bay after it was struck in > a wreck) is a standard Wilson Bros design found also at several other > locations such as Bryn Mawr, Princeton, NJ (demolished) etc. The section > house was designed by William Holmes Cookman. The Power/Transmission > Building was designed by United Engineers and Contractors of Phila during > electrification. The concrete equipment and guard shelter were designed by > William (Stone) Brown's famous engineering dept and copied by the B&O, C&O > and the CNJ. (the real reason behind these concrete structures was actually > Dupont, of Delaware. You can see Duponts concrete experiments across the > street from Montcanin station in Delaware). > If anyone is interested, I several post cards and pictures of all these > structures and will post them, just let me know.... > Gene Paoli > stationman_@_prodigy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Seth Bramson > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) Ft Wayne, IN > > > > Gene Paoli wrote: > > > > >Fort Wayne station was designed by none other than Philadelphia's own > Price > > >and McLanahan, thought some might like to know..... > > >Gene Paoli > > >stationman_@_prodigy.net > > > > > >>>I think we'd also like to know who designed Paoli, Gene. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================= > > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > > > > ================================= > The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing > railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org > ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #504 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <007301c27e8f$116ffc10$9865fea9_@_Wagenblast> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:34:01 -0500 From: Bernie Wagenblast Subject: (rshsdepot) Hattiesburg, MS Depot renovation closer to reality Scott M. Larson American Staff Writer Hattiesburg's downtown depot renovation is gathering speed. Members of the Hattiesburg City Council approved various items in a special session Friday to move forward on more than $4 million in renovations to the aging depot. Albert and Associates is charged with creating the plans for the second phase of the depot renovation. That phase was waiting on city officials to find about $875,000 to match a federal appropriation of $3.5 million. The matching money came from a $10 million line of credit from the Mississippi Development Bank. Council members on Friday OK'd a budget and a checking account for the money. Movement on the depot met with relief at the city. "I think it's moved to the point now where we are seeing concrete results of these plans," said Councilman Red Bailey. Mayor Johnny DuPree was more to the point. "It still feels good," he said. The city jettisoned a plan to try to raise part of the matching money through a committee of community and business leaders. "That hasn't materialized and it was doomed from the beginning," Bailey said. Architect Larry Albert said he will complete plans for the second phase in about six months and construction could start next August. The roof is being replaced now. "I feel like by the time we go through all the process that we would probably be ready to bid it for August of next year, which is when the roof contractor is done," Albert said. The second phase will include renovating the outside and lobby room, Albert said. The city's lobbyist in Washington, D.C., Jim Johnson is trying to get more money for the depot renovation, which is expected to cost between $10 million and $12 million, DuPree said. On Nov. 22 DuPree and a contingent of Hattiesburg officials plan to travel to Meridian to see that city's depot renovation. Scott M. Larson can be reached at (601) 584-3121 or by e-mail at slarson_@_hattiesb.gannett.com. ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <1035835520.31132_@_server.linwoodnet.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:02:30 -0500 From: "Kenyon Karl" Subject: (rshsdepot) Rutland VT Station (3 yrs old) falls short of vision Train station falls short of vision It was built with great expectations. But three years after the Rutland train station opened, officials said the facility has yet to reach its potential. Oct. 26, 2002 http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/RutlandCounty/ ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <57050-2200210128194158680_@_M2W071.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:41:58 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Topeka, KS From Altamont Press Newsline=2E=2E=2E Topeka's Union Pacific depot added to national register Resurrecting the Union Pacific depot in North Topeka as the Great Overland= Station might become easier now that the building has been listed on the National Register of Historic Places=2E John Glassman, executive director of Railroad Heritage Inc=2E, said the national listing would make the restoration project eligible for more grants=2E Railroad Heritage Inc=2E, formerly Topeka Railroad Days, oversee= s the project=2E The depot was built in 1927 and has been listed on the Kansas Register of Historic Places since the 1980s=2E The national designation, which was granted effective Oct01, recognizes the national significance of Topeka's depot which, as the Great Overland Station, will be a railroad museum and education center=2E The Union Pacific Railroad passenger depot, 701 N=2E Kansas Avenue, is to undergo three stages of restoration before work is completed in 2004=2E Glassman said the first phase was nearly complete and the second and third= phases were scheduled to begin in December and in the spring, respectively= =2E The first phase focused on the depot's west wing, which originally include= d the building's baggage room=2E It was severely damaged during a fire in Ma= rch 1992 and had to be entirely rebuilt=2E The central and east wings and the dining room also have been restored=2E The second phase includes construction of a 97-space parking lot, mechanical work and restoring the original look of the depot, the addition= of chandeliers, a mezzanine and a stairway=2E Workers will begin landscaping the grounds and installing outside exhibits= during the third phase=2E Flags, a fountain, walkways and a spur rail line= for mobile rail exhibits will complete beautification of the grounds=2E - Erin Adamson, The Topeka Capital-Journal, courtesy Larry W=2E Grant - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <114780-2200210128195247231_@_M2W047.mail2web.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:52:47 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Lakeport, NH From the Concord (NH) Monitor=2E=2E=2E The past is always present in Lakeport=20 Residents plan museum at train depot=20 Monday, October 28, 2002 By MEG HECKMAN Monitor staff History is a bigger topic than hair these days at Wanda's Beauty Shop=2E Cracked, yellowed photos of Lakeport Square circa 1920 hang above the drye= r domes=2E History books rest on top of women's magazines=2E Wanda Tibbetts,= who owns the place, has a stack of commemorative Lakeport calendars for sale alongside bottles of Redken shampoo=2E=20 This combination salon and historical society is a temporary situation, said Tibbetts=2E She and the other members of the Lakeport Community Association plan to put their growing collection of neighborhood artifacts= on display in an old train depot down the street=2E=20 The museum, they hope, will preserve their brand of community pride, which= far transcends the usual potluck suppers and yard cleanups=2E=20 "We are Lakeport," Tibbetts said=2E "A lot of us have items of Lakeport =2E =2E =2E in boxes," said Bob Fortie= r, another association member=2E "We don't want that stuff to just=20 disappear=2E" The 113-year-old freight depot the group plans to use as a shrine to their= neighborhood's unique history is an artifact itself, the last piece of Lakeport's railroad industry=2E The state had plans last year to level it = as part of the expansion of the nearby Elm Street Bridge, but the Division of= Historic Resources protected the building=2E=20 The state won't allow it to be moved or destroyed, and the Lakeport Community Association refuses to allow it to stand empty=2E To fill it, they've been slowly accumulating tidbits of history scoured from basements= , attics and barns=2E=20 The collection, said Tibbetts, will eventually chronicle Lakeport's history, something she says is often overlooked=2E Laconia is known for it= s mills; the Weirs for its tourists=2E Most people these days, she said, don= 't even know where Lakeport is, much less what it was=2E=20 Lakeport, which sits on the eastern edge of Lake Opechee and Paugus Bay, was settled in the mid-18th century=2E Since then it's had five names and belonged to four towns: Gilmanton, Meredith, Gilford and, finally, Laconia= =2E The residents, Tibbetts said, ignored most of this municipal shuffling=2E They repaired train cars, forged cast-iron stoves, made sewing machines an= d spent a good part of 1903 rebuilding the area after a fire took down about= 150 buildings=2E "We love Lakeport," Tibbetts said=2E "We're very cliquey=2E" But Tibbetts fears it's a clique that's dwindling and a neighborhood in danger of losing its identity=2E Tibbetts, almost 60, is the youngest pers= on in the community association=2E Many of the oldest buildings have been tor= n down or trucked off in pieces=2E The newer residents, she said, look at Lakeport's streets as places to live, not places impregnated with a unique= history=2E=20 "Hopefully when we get the museum set up and people see what we have, they'll get involved," Tibbetts said=2E "Be proud of what it was, proud of= what it's become and what we're going to make it become=2E" A permanent record of Lakeport's history, she said, might also make the community a little more noticeable between the glitter of Weirs Beach and Laconia's downtown=2E A lot of people drive through the area's major intersection without even knowing they're in Lakeport=2E=20 "In the middle, that's where we are," Tibbetts said=2E "People just stop a= t our traffic light and keep on going=2E"=20 It will probably be a long time before the museum is ready to beckon passers-by into Lakeport's past=2E "It's going to take us a while," Fortier said=2E "We're a small crew=2E" The depot is boarded up, asbestos-ridden and freezing cold this time of year=2E The association ran a water main to the building this summer, but = the group is waiting for the state to sign the property over to Laconia later this year before it invests any more money, said Fortier=2E=20 Right now the place looks more like a flea market than a would-be museum=2E= The main room is full of tables strewn with chipped china, old clothes, Tonka trucks and other items donated for the association's various yard sales=2E (The sales raised about $3,000 this year to help pay for renovations, Fortier said=2E)=20 But there are treasures buried in the clutter=2E Three knitting machines m= ade at the old Scott and William's factory down the street are tucked in a corner=2E Beams salvaged from an old train station are stacked against the= wall=2E There's a sign the association bought at auction from a long-gone goldsmith's shop, Fortier said=2E The original railroad safe is still in t= he depot office=2E A cast-iron stove made across the street in 1847 sits behi= nd the desk=2E=20 Tibbetts has some of the more delicate items, like a generations-old wedding dress and fragile photos=2E About once a week someone calls the beauty shop to tell her about a historic gem he or she has unearthed and wants to put in the museum=2E Tibbetts takes a break from cutting hair, ca= lls Fortier and tells him to pick up the latest piece of the museum collection= =2E=20 "We have to get those things," she said=2E=20 Monday, October 28, 2002 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #505 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <57050-220021022920617577_@_M2W074.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:06:17 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Slaton, TX From Railway Preservation News=2E=2E=2E Slaton, Texas Harvey House Update Before and after pictures at: http://www=2Erypn=2Eorg/Briefs/october2002/021029=2Ehtm The exterior restoration of the Slaton Harvey House is complete, and is attracting a number of lookers from around the region=2E The first floor work on the interior will begin in December, and should take six months=2E When complete, the Harvey House diner, newsstand, and office will look very close to the original plans=2E We are shrinking the counter a bit, in order to give us more space for display cases for our museum pieces=2E A new kitchen will be in place where the original kitchen was located, and= a community room will round out this phase of construction=2E The communit= y will be able to enjoy the museum, as well as utilize the facility for meetings and meals=2E Is there a restaurateur out there interested in operating in an original Harvey House? This will leave some office space on the first floor, and the entire secon= d floor for lease=2E We hope to attract a partner to build out the second fl= oor as a bed-and-breakfast inn=2E The space where Harvey Girls once slept coul= d house up to nine rooms, each with a private bath=2E Quite a unique opportunity for the right entrepreneur=2E=2E=2Eespecially a railfan! Additional property just to the west of the Harvey House has been acquired= , and will be developed as a rolling stock museum=2E If you know of acquisit= ion opportunities, or can help us with our final fund raising efforts, please contact the author at tonyprivett_@_hotmail=2Ecom=2E We will hold a grand opening and dedication of the Harvey House museum in the summer of 2003=2E For updated information, check our website (http://www=2Erypn=2Eorg/srha/)=2E (Tony Privett)=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <18690-2200210229212347639_@_M2W098.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:23:47 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Russellville. AR From the Courier News=2E=2E=2E THE COURIER / Fred Gladdis Insurance will cover fire damage at depot By Fred Gladdis=20 Damage caused by a fire that was =93minutes away from getting loose=94 int= o the attic at the Missouri Pacific Depot early last Friday will be covered unde= r the contractor=92s building risk insurance, reported Greg Barborek of Crafton, Tull and Associates, at the Friends of the Depot meeting held Monday at the Russellville Chamber of Commerce=2E=20 The fire, reported by Wade Turnipseed and Zeno Schaffer, originated in a portable toilet underneath the overhang, according to RFD Public Information Officer Richard Setian=2E The cause of the fire is still under= investigation but is suspected to be arson=2E=20 Damage was estimated at a cost of $15,000 to $20,000, Barborek said=2E=20 Much of the ceiling boards and trim in the overhang will have to be replaced and repainted, stated Barborek=2E However, the 13 wood support brackets that were damaged can be patched and repaired=2E The brick and bottom edge of the clay tile roof will also have to be cleaned=2E=20 Several individuals have offered to donate funds toward a $500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the fire=2E=20 Historic well discovered=20 While installing brick pillars for a fence Oct=2E 17, workers discovered a= 3-foot-diameter hand-dug well covered by a concrete slab at the west end o= f the property near El Paso Avenue=2E=20 It is believed that the well was used to provide water to steam engines stopped at the depot=2E =20 In other news, the omelette breakfast held recently to raise money for the= depot=92s renovation raised a total of $1,971=2E82, with less than $200 ne= eded for expenses, stated Darlene Weir=2E More than 320 breakfasts were served,= compared to 360 served last year=2E More ketchup and volunteers for preparation work were among the suggestions for next year=92s event=2E=20 Committee members reviewed and discussed plans for the depot, including a 6-by-24-foot scale model of the Russellville area served by the railroad=2E= The model, designed by Jerry Corbett, will include a recreation of historical buildings and businesses which have been served by the railroad= =2E =20 The committe also voted to replace woodwork that had been severely damaged= by a termite infestation, and to restore the lower portion of 27 windows t= o working condition=2E=20 It was reported that $319 was collected at the Friends of the Depot booth at Fall Fest=2E=20 Those in attendance included Mary Cohoon, Carney Carnahan, Buford Smith, Lisa Carruth, Greg Barborek, Darlene Weir, Lewis Weir, Betsy McGuire, Judy= Galloway, Judith Stewart-Abernathy, Jerry Corbett and Linda G=2E Polk=2E=20= - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <57050-2200210229213856648_@_M2W071.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:38:56 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Cincinnati Union Terminal From the Cincinnati Business Courier=2E=2E=2E Museum Center says it can no longer afford to go it alone Dan Monk Courier Senior Staff Reporter=20 With 13 years of operating history under its belt, the Cincinnati Museum Center has come to this conclusion: It can't exist without public subsidy=2E= =20 "If somebody has another model that works, I'm all for it," said Douglass McDonald, CEO of the center, created in 1989 to manage the museum complex at Cincinnati's Union Terminal=2E=20 A historic train station in Cincinnati's West End, the terminal has been home since 1990 to Cincinnati's Natural History Museum, the Cincinnati Historical Society and the Robert D=2E Lindner Omnimax Theater=2E The Cincinnati Children's Museum joined the mix in 1998, a year before McDonal= d was recruited as the center's chief executive=2E=20 McDonald is a former Quaker pastor, who had 16 years of museum experience before coming to Cincinnati=2E He's known for taking innovative and entrepreneurial approaches to boosting revenue, according to Edward Able, president and CEO of the American Association of Museums in Washington, D=2EC=2E=20 That approach seemed to fit right in at Museum Center, which has maintaine= d a goal of financial self-sufficiency since its inception=2E That's why the= museums added attendance drivers, like the Omnimax and Children's Museum=2E= It's why the museums at Union Terminal merged in 1995, hoping to drive operating costs out of the budget=2E=20 But McDonald is now convinced that self-sufficiency is an "unrealistic expectation" for Museum Center=2E=20 The center has posted losses in every year of its existence, except for fiscal 2001, when it recorded a surplus of $23,000=2E Since his April 1999= arrival, McDonald has endured three rounds of budget cuts=2E Because of th= e April 2001 riots and the opening of a new Imax theater in Newport, he has seen Omnimax revenue plummet from an average of $2 million a year to $1=2E= 3 million in the fiscal year ended June 30=2E=20 Stock market woes and operating deficits of $3=2E8 million over four years= have reduced the building's endowment by more than 35 percent, from more than $14 million to roughly $9 million now=2E=20 As a result, McDonald is asking local elected and civic leaders to establish an annual subsidy of up to $4 million for Museum Center=2E He suggested the money could come from a tax levy or an annual stipend from state or local governments=2E=20 He said it could also come from increased corporate donations or by growin= g the center's endowment=2E Whatever the source, the subsidy would be used t= o supplement the Museum Center's $13=2E5 million operating budget and fund $= 2 million a year in long-needed building repairs=2E=20 "It would assure the long-term survival of the Museum Center," said McDonald, who has compiled a mountain of data in support of his request, including:=20 An economic impact study, prepared by the University of Cincinnati's Cente= r for Economic Education, estimated the center contributes $76 million a yea= r to the local economy=2E=20 It's Ohio's highest-drawing museum, with nearly a third of its 1=2E5 milli= on visitors coming from out of town=2E Museum Center draws about twice as man= y visitors as Columbus' COSI and five times more than the Cincinnati Art Museum, according to figures compiled by McDonald=2E=20 It spends less per visitor than any museum in Ohio and receives far less subsidy than other institutions=2E The Cincinnati Zoo, for example, receiv= es $6=2E3 million, about a third of its budget, from a Hamilton County tax le= vy=2E The Museum Center, by contrast, received about $134,000 from state, local and federal sources in 2001=2E That figure does not include the county lev= y that collects about $3 million to pay off bonds for Union Terminal's 1980s= renovation=2E=20 It generates 70 percent of its revenue from "earned income," which include= s admissions, corporate sponsorship, building rental and gift shop income=2E= That's more than twice the industry average, Able said=2E=20 McDonald also commissioned a building audit in which the Glaserworks architectural firm recommended $18 million in building repairs, including $2=2E5 million to repair chronic leaking from the fountains in front of th= e building and $3=2E3 million for repairs to the building's roofs, windows, doors and masonry=2E=20 McDonald has been sharing his data with local elected and civic leaders=2E= He's yet to make a formal request, but he's finding broad support=2E=20 Even anti-tax crusader Tom Brinkman, a Republican state representative fro= m Anderson Township, said the center makes "a good case=2E" Brinkman, who ha= s opposed tax levies for the Cincinnati Zoo and a proposal for state subsidies to the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center museum on Cincinnati's riverfront, said he has empathy for McDonald's request=2E=20 "We overextend ourselves by funding what I would call 'fringe museums,' while the ones that are proving by their attendance that they are the workhorses don't get the support they deserve," he said=2E=20 Past leaders of the Museum Center are on board as well=2E=20 "At the current rate, it may not exist in five or six years," said Devere Burt, former director of the Natural History Museum who now serves as a trustee emeritus=2E "The community's going to have to step up=2E"=20 Former Museum Center President Richard Glover agreed=2E=20 "I don't understand why all these other institutions, they get (public funding) and the Museum Center doesn't=2E"=20 =A9 2002 American City Business Journals Inc=2E - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <293580-2200210229214356188_@_M2W047.mail2web.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:43:56 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Erie's Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ From The Jersey City Reporter=2E=2E=2E =20 Highway or no highway?=20 NJDOT unveils plans for Bergen Arches=20 =20 By Donald M=2E Kelly Reporter staff writer October 27, 2002=20 =20 Members of various downtown neighborhood associations spoke Wednesday nigh= t in favor of extending the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail line over the historic Bergen Arches rather than building a highway to the waterfront there=2E Th= e Bergen Arches, a series of street arches formerly used by the now-defunct Bergen Line railroad, are located near the Newport section=2E =20 At a public meeting held at Dickinson High School, representatives from th= e State Department of Transportation outlined three alternative plans to utilize the Arches for increased accessibility to Jersey City=2E One invol= ves the light rail, while two involve highways=2E Janice Monson, secretary of the Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association, said the study "has caused the Hamilton Park Association quite a bit of concern=2E" Monson and other people from the Newport and downtown sections of Jersey City expressed their dissatisfaction with the highway plans=2E Noting the increased development of the riverside financial district, Historic Paulus Hook Neighborhood Association President Diane Kaese urged the extension of the Hudson Bergen Light Rail through the Bergen Arches=2E= "The only way to feed people to those buildings is through mass transit," Kaese commented=2E "With an increased amount of cars, we will be at gridlo= ck=2E" The Bergen Arches is the collective name for the now defunct Bergen Line Railroad, a freight line which ran through Jersey City to the Hudson River= =2E Cut out the Palisades at the turn of the last century, the line has a series of five street arches at various locations=2E The three plans According to DOT Project Manager for the Bergen Arches Jody Barankin, the first plan would call for the extension of the Light Rail system from the Secaucus Transfer Station, through the Arches, and then linking to the Light Rail System already in place at Newport=2E The second and third plans call for the construction of an extension from the Turnpike in Secaucus that would extend along the old Bergen Line to 11th Street Viaduct=2E Washington Avenue would serve as the turning point = for traffic, which would move to 18th Street in order to exit the Newport area= =2E "One plan would have three lanes for the highway," said Barankin, noting that two lanes would be "one-way" going into the city in the morning and then the other way going out in the evening=2E The other plan would have the highway as a mixed-use roadway=2E "This woul= d have three lanes," Barankin said=2E "One would be for buses and two for hi= gh occupancy lanes for vehicles with three or more people=2E" Barankin stressed that the three plans were only recommendations and that none of them had been decided on=2E The purpose of the Wednesday night meeting was to collect public input, which would be added to the final report that will be given to the North Jersey Transportation Authority (NJTPA) in December=2E The NJTPA is the transportation authority for the 13 counties of Northern New Jersey=2E The NJTPA not only allocates federal funds allocated for transportation works, but designs proposed projects it passes approval on,= such as any work done on the Bergen Arches=2E Holding up a red letter sign which read "Highway Insanity," Jersey City environmental activist Sam Pesin described the building of any kind of highway in the Bergen Arches as "dead wrong=2E" "For the DOT to keep the highway plan as an alternative would make them an= enemy of the people of Jersey City," Pesin declared=2E "This highway would= simply be constructed for suburbanites and people from New York city=2E" Concerns about traffic and parking in the downtown area topped list of concerns from speakers at the meeting=2E None of the comments from the pub= lic supported highway construction in the Bergen Arches=2E "The volume of traffic that will be coming from the highway cannot be tolerated on the existing street grid," said Monson=2E "Thinking that all = the traffic that will be coming off this highway could be absorbed on Washington Boulevard is not realistic=2E Washington Boulevard was not designed to be a highway=2E" In response to these objections, Anthony DeJohn of Parsons Brinckeroff, th= e engineering consulting firm the DOT hired for the alternative plans, said = a number of improvements could be made to Washington Boulevard=2E "We have a number of conceptual mitigations for Washington Boulevard," sai= d DeJohn=2E Such changes as the widening of intersections and the installati= on of turning lanes would ease traffic problems=2E The possible increase of pollution created by the large traffic flow in th= e downtown was another concern which DeJohn answered=2E=20 Comment from Hoboken Hoboken Mayor David Roberts commented on Thursday about the possibility of= increased vehicular traffic from Newport spilling into his municipality=2E= "I am not ready to endorse a plan that would bring more traffic to Hoboken," said Roberts=2E=20 Roberts added that he had only briefly examined the plans for the Bergen Arches, but stated that he was in favor of putting in light rail=2E "We want to encourage people to use light rail," Roberts stated=2E "Hoboke= n is already overwhelmed by regional traffic=2E Our police officers are assigned to directing traffic near the Jersey City border, when they could= be doing neighborhood patrols=2E" DeJohn also addressed complaints about higher levels of air pollution if a= highway were to be built=2E "In theory, the fast the cars move, the engine produces less pollution," DeJohn stated, adding that a new highway would relieve congestion and lessen the amount of pollution=2E Steve Lanset, chairman of the Hudson County Sierra Club, disagreed with DeJohn's argument=2E Lanset believes any traffic relief created by a roadw= ay in the Bergen Arches would be short-term=2E "The temporary relief from the new highway would be eliminated by more people eventually taking the new highway," said Lanset=2E=20 Lanset also stated the Newport area does not have the space for the construction of parking spaces for the incoming vehicle traffic=2E "The economic potential of the [Newport] area is based on getting people i= n and out easily," said Lanset=2E "You cannot build enough parking spaces=2E= I am in favor of the light rail=2E" Ward E Councilman E=2E Junior Maldonado, who represents the Newport and downtown sections on the City Council, agreed with the call for light rail= as opposed to a highway in the financial district=2E "A highway is not the way to go," said Maldonado=2E "I see the light rail = as an adequate alternative, it would be ideal=2E" "The mayor has always been opposed to a roadway in the Bergen Arches," sai= d Brian Dorf, press secretary to Mayor Glenn Cunningham=2E "The mayor would like to see a combined use of light rail and nature path, which would brin= g people to Jersey City without creating more congestion=2E" According to Santasieri, all public comments will become part of the repor= t from the DOT to the NJTPA, which will be finished in December=2E The NJTPA= board will likely decide whether to do a feasibility study on the plans fo= r the Bergen Arches in February of next year, said Santasieri=2E She estimat= ed any project approved by the NJTPA would take between seven to nine years t= o complete=2E To make any public input on possible transportation projects for the Berge= n Arches, send messages to dbehrend_@_njtpa=2Eorg or Jody=2EBarankin_@_dot=2Estate=2Enj=2Eus=2E You can mail comments to: New Jer= sey Department of Transportation, Mr=2E Jody Barankin, 11035 Parkway Ave=2E, Trenton, NJ, 08625=2E=20 =20 =A9The Jersey City Reporter 2002 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:02:00 -0500 From: "tonydawson1 Dawson" Subject: (rshsdepot) Marlton train station My township, Evesham NJ is embarking on a project to rebuild the Marlton train station at its former site. This station was located on the Philade lphia Marlton & Medford RR (a branch of the PRR) near what is now Cooper Ave and State Route 70. The line was abandoned in 1931. We have a photo of the front of the station. We are looking for photos an d/or plans of the station. Tony Dawson ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #506 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <184670-2200210330143924433_@_M2W048.mail2web.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:39:24 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) FW: Ohio Depots Demolished From the OHPA Stations list=2E=2E=2E Original Message: - ----------------- From: Dan West dwest_@_pathway=2Enet Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:07:04 -0500 Received the following info about three Ohio stations that have or will=20= soon meet the wrecking ball=2E - --Dan West Marblehead, Lakeside & Marblehead RR, Ottawa Co=2E - Torn down during the=20= summer of 2002 due to unsafe condition=2E Photo at:=20 http://www=2Ewest2k=2Ecom/ohpix/marble=2Ejpg Norwalk, LS&MS, Huron Co=2E - The LS&MS Norwalk passenger depot is being=20= taken down to make way for a new grocery store=2E I stopped by there=20 yesterday as workers were ripping siding boards off to inquire about=20 what was going on, this was really kept quiet till the last minute=2E A=20= worker told me that the caboose and round station end windows were going=20= to Bellevue's Mad River train museum, a local business man wants the=20 remaining windows, siding, and beams and everything else is pretty much=20= spoken for=2E Seems the beautiful old depot is being parted out like some=20= old barn=2E Last year the old roundhouse and shop buildings were leveled=20= for I presume this same project I guess the depot was just in the way=20 for needed parking space=2E The Wakeman freight house is still standing=20= but supposed to come down sometime soon=2E -- Fritz N=2E Kuenzel=20 (10/28/2002) Photo at: http://www=2Ewest2k=2Ecom/ohpix/norwalklsms=2Ejpg Portsmouth, N&W, Scioto Co=2E - After months of negotiations, an agreement= =20 has been reached between Norfolk Southern, the City of Portsmouth, and=20 the Scioto County Commissioners=2E The deal calls for the closing and=20 demolition of the former N&W station at Portsmouth either late this year=20= or early next year=2E The County recently received a State grant to=20 construct a new County Jail and Sheriff's Department (which is=20 desperately needed) but did not have a site large enough to build it=2E=20= The City of Portsmouth had wanted a couple of grade crossings in the=20 city closed due to high maintenance costs, and NS has wanted to get rid=20= of this huge building for years, since the only departments left in it=20 are a couple of offices for the signal dept=2E and radio repairs=2E Under=20= the deal all three parties get what they want=2E Demolition will not be=20= immediately, as NS still has these offices there=2E -- Jim Detty (10/2002)= =20 Photo at: http://www=2Ewest2k=2Ecom/ohpix/portsmouthnew=2Ejpg - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <184670-2200210330143924433_@_M2W048.mail2web.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) From: Blue Moon Network Administrator Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) FW: Ohio Depots Demolished On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, jdent1_@_optonline.net wrote: 8<--- > Marblehead, Lakeside & Marblehead RR, Ottawa Co. - Torn down during the > summer of 2002 due to unsafe condition. Photo at: > http://www.west2k.com/ohpix/marble.jpg Well I guess I am an idiot. I am about 10 miles from there. I just did a historic USGS mapset to follow that line from Danbury to the EOT in Marblehead. I was going to crawl it and shoot everything which was left. I can't believe that I didn't hear about that happening, I want to kick myself. I feel like throwing up. > Norwalk, LS&MS, Huron Co. - The LS&MS Norwalk passenger depot is being > taken down to make way for a new grocery store. I stopped by there > yesterday as workers were ripping siding boards off to inquire about > what was going on, this was really kept quiet till the last minute. A > worker told me that the caboose and round station end windows were going > to Bellevue's Mad River train museum, a local business man wants the > remaining windows, siding, and beams and everything else is pretty much > spoken for. Seems the beautiful old depot is being parted out like some > old barn. Last year the old roundhouse and shop buildings were leveled > for I presume this same project I guess the depot was just in the way > for needed parking space. The Wakeman freight house is still standing > but supposed to come down sometime soon. -- Fritz N. Kuenzel > (10/28/2002) Photo at: http://www.west2k.com/ohpix/norwalklsms.jpg I DID get this one in April of 2001. Photos at http://www.railfan.net/cgi-bin/trainthumb.cgi?railpix/railfan/ohio04-10-01 Now I feel REALLY sick. The Monroeville, OH LS&MS depot and the 1882 W&LE Curtice, OH Depot at the Mad River & NKP Museum are also on that page. I'll have to make getting shots of the Wakeman depot a priority, it's near some regular stomping grounds about 40 miles away. Bad depot news day. Damn it all. Henry J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator www.bluemoon.net Internet Access & Web Hosting www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <168270-2200210330192641728_@_M2W052.mail2web.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:26:41 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Redding, CA From the Redding, CA Record-Searchlight=2E=2E=2E (Parts of this article have been edited) Improvement plans get agency funding=20 Scott Mobley Record Searchlight=20 October 29, 2002 =97 11:28 a=2Em=2E A stretch of Cypress Avenue sidewalk, a Parkview neighborhood lot and the downtown Redding train depot are in line for Redevelopment Agency cash infusions=2E Depot grant A volunteer campaign to refurbish Redding's historic Union Pacific Railroa= d depot will get a $13,340-Redevelopment Agency nudge=2E The Shasta Cascade Rail Preservation Society has replaced the 78-year-old building's roof, painted its outside walls and built five raised tree planters=2E But volunteers must deal with lead paint inside the depot before they can push on with their work=2E The organization asked the agency to cover removing the paint, a hazardous material=2E The agency approved the grant Oct=2E 21=2E=20 Reporter Scott Mobley can be reached at 225-8220 or at smobley_@_redding=2Ec= om=2E Tuesday, October 29, 2002=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ From Archives_@_Railfan.net Message-ID: <192620-220021033020292676_@_M2W082.mail2web.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:29:26 -0500 From: "jdent1_@_optonline.net" Subject: (rshsdepot) Dover, NJ Due to an internal wall collapse, Ken's Trackside Supper Club, located in the former DL&W depot in Dover, NJ, is closed indefinetly=2E The station = is owned by the town of Dover and subleased by Ken's and NJ Transit=2E Apparently, there is some question as to who is responsible for the repairs=2E=20 The New Jersey Midland Railroad Historical Society annual banquet, scheduled for Nov=2E 17 at Ken's has been cancelled=2E - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org ------------------------------ End of RSHSDepot Digest V1 #507 ******************************* ================================= The Railroad Station Historical Society maintains a database of existing railroad structures at: http://www.rrshs.org