Re: (rshsdepot) my nominations for crime: 3rd & Townsend, S.F. & LIRR Flatbush Ave.

["Paul Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

I have heard the guy with the trolleys has given up...

I don't know where to put it, where it was would be a good idea...

Ever see that short jazz movie, filmed inside the station...

Too bad no one filmed anything when it was closed for so long and preserved
inside in-state....nothing seemed "improved" inside before it was shut off
(the upstairs), sign boards, that nice way they used to do metal entrances
ad stair rails...all the arches....yeah, it was a short squat station- I am
sure it was built with intention to put something more on top someday...

I was always pissed when coming out of that station, that when it was there
I couldn't access it anymore......even with the closed Schrafts outside..

It did work for that corner; and the inside I don't think was as mundane and
dull as the outside may have seemed to you...it had a lot of class, it was
really kind of Brooklyn, ya' know?

There is no where to put it, and he must just have the outside facade (what
happened to the inside stuff, being sold on Houston Street today?)

I am still to this day profoundly puzzled  as to why they had to just remove
that really cool Greek revival DL&W Ferry terminal at Barclay Street...maybe
there is a conspiracy against the Greek Revival style as that was the style
of the eastern half of Chicago's Union Station (and I think one of the best
presentations of that old station is the movie "Union Station" from early
'50's.)

Maybe if he really has almost all of the station he should try and convince
some people with a lot of power or money that it would make a great
structure for some way to make money; a bazaar, an upscale mall, a boathouse
for a new boat harbor south of Red Hook, in that desolate removed area where
the DL&W once had a small yard...

Look at Las Vegas...people go there to take pictures of a scaled down
Washington Square. They may live within 45 minutes of the real McCoy but
never much care to look at that one or photograph it...I have no idea why
that would be so fascinating. Ersatz facsimile buildings, what's the point,
especially when done in such a hodgepodge non-realistic scale....interesting
I guess for the chintz and period people's-art it may be....

Why not recreate buildings that are gone..Penn Station, the Singer Building.
I wouldn't mind seeing a scaled down version of that large arch Pennsylvania
Railroad Depot in Jersey City at Exchange Place, or that ferry building in
Philly with the hexagon clock tower....Here this guy has all this material,
wouldn't the Brooklyn Museum store it? Exactly how much mass does this guy
have?

Maybe Trump would reconstruct it, maybe put it in Bayonne near where the
Army Terminal is/was...did you see the picture from above of the new Trump
"Riverside South" project where the 72nd Street Yards used to be?

Supposedly it "evokes memories of railroads" they claim. But this is true
just from above, from one of his new (as usual) ugly high rise apartment
buildings (the huge ugly one hovering over the UN is another), from way
above..I looked on line for this photo, it won't scan well...

it is a pier that juts out into the Hudson, almost twice as far as the car
floats and other decaying docks and old railroad piers just to this new
structure's south...

With the hideous elevated highway making a mockery of the "green way" they
claim, hovering not very far behind this new walkway with pier...

Oh yeah, that "railroad evocation"...from above, the south side of this very
long pier undulates, making curves, that I presume are meant to evoke a ROW
that meanders through the Poconos or something....and that seems to be it, I
really doubt they will leave the remains of the rail activities there, I am
not sure it is possible, the gantry still standing there would dwarf those
saved at Hunter's Point, but I think these are too far gone and they will
remove them for "Phase Three" of the Riverside South project.....I think it
is really this design for those who will live in his new apartment
building...

So Trump ain't our guy...he happens to own the building on Wall Street that
from 1924 to 1928 was the tallest building in the world. But that small bit
of class must surely be a coincidence.

The tunnel under Riverside Park, the one where now they only use two
tracks.....they really should use that for some sort of open market or
something, wall it off from the Amtrak and clean it up, some of the portals
to the river side/park side (highway side) are quite magnificent in that
structure....

But Flatbush Avenue wouldn't fit on the West Side. When I was a kid there
were many large unoccupied lots in places like Flatlands and Canarsie, but
maybe all of those are gone in Brooklyn....we will have to demolish a strip
mall to put this building up again...then we can find someplace to rebuild
Ebbets Field (LOL)

Paul


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Delibert" <stevdel_@_prodigy.net>
To: <rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: (rshsdepot) my nominations for crime: 3rd & Townsend, S.F. &
LIRR Flatbush Ave.


> Paul, there was just always something really unappealing about that LIRR
> Flatbush station, and I'm normally just nuts for anything old whatsoever.
> But if you do want to save it, I know the guy who has a major part of it
> (yup, all that rock), and as Brooklyn prospers, he's running out of empty
> lots to move the stuff around to.  You wanna find a location and come up
> with a plan, I can put you in touch . . .
> Steve Delibert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>
> To: "RSHS Depot" <rshsdepot_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:02 PM
> Subject: (rshsdepot) my nominations for crime: 3rd & Townsend, S.F. & LIRR
> Flatbush Ave.
>
>
> > My nomination for station knocked down crime:
> >
>
> > Also the Brooklyn LIRR terminal which was complete on top, and even had
> > the meat hooked platforms on the north end...they knocked this station
> > down as others were trying to save it as a landmark...very spiteful,
> > only now, some maybe 10 years later is something supposed to be built
> > there (a suburban style mall)..this really pissed me off
> >
> > Paul
>
>
>
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