Re: (rshsdepot) A Trolley Grows in Brooklyn

["Paul S. Luchter" <luckyshow_@_mindspring.com>]

- ->Because if it could go there (via what?)<

via where ever they built the rails, Smith Street where they only in past
few years removed the rails (lots of F train stops there...my brother llives
near both the Atlantic Ave tunnel entrance and F train station, I agree it
is a ridiculous line except for sightseeing in southern Brooklyn...)
In addition such an early tunnel (the first such in NY?) is a lanfmark, how
can you justify after excavating it chopping a hole in it to come out on
Boerum ?

<Coming up Columbia St a block in from the waterfront, it would hit the west
(water) end of Atlantic Ave, where the tunnel used to end, and where there's
relatively little auto traffic now, >

Isn't this the way onto Atlantic Avenue off the BQE, are they even sure the
tunnel is this far? I thought west of where the entrance at Court St. is was
a wall of pipes and conduits in the tunnel......
On the rst, I think the tunnel is to low to come out midstreet, it might go
to LIRR station and go back up Flatbush Avenue extension....there is too
much traffic all over that area, maybe it somehow could get to the Museum
station....actually a better idea would be a tourist line that continued
after Columbia somehow to Fulton Ferry area, then go on former Jay Street
Dock RR route to Manhattan Bridge!..unless they did elevate it I can't see
how a streetcar could go on any street with all the traffic down there......

Van Brunt Street and Erie Basin Railway System  (1861-1927) a sytem of 1.25
miles may have gone to the furure sight of the F train 9th Street ex-BMT
station [highest in city, now at least)
There is a great bakery on Columbia Street south of Atlantic, they have the
best rugaluf (sp) [talk about an area divided by the BQE...]


 no one would ride it == 4th Ave &
>9th St  would not be a "destination" for most people, but would  put
>passengers through one of the most inconvenient transfers anywhere in the
>city, up that huge escalator, to a freezing or boiling or sleety platform,
>to wait to get on the F train which itself tends to avoid business /
>commerce centers for a dozen stops until it gets to West 4th St.  Going to
>Borough Hall means going somewhere that many people want to go for its own
>sake (downtown Brooklyn/Brooklyn Heights), and next to EASY transfers to
>half-a-dozen or more subway lines
>
>>How in the world is this trolley supposed to enter the short piece of the
>>Atlantic Avenue LIRR tunnel, that seems unlike;y, especially since it is
so
>>short, where exactly would those trolleys go from there?
>
>Coming up Columbia St a block in from the waterfront, it would hit the west
>(water) end of Atlantic Ave, where the tunnel used to end, and where
there's
>relatively little auto traffic now, probably little enough that you could
>engineer a new tunnel entrance; the trick would be turning north at the
east
>end, now at Court St.,which is MUCH too crowded already to put trolley
>tracks on unless you ban cars, which won't happen; figure out a way to go
>another block east to Boerum Pl/Adams St, which is hugely wide and laid out
>wastefully, and you may be able to pick out enough space to bring the
tracks
>up the W side of the street to Joralemon, around in front of Borough Hall
>and curve up in front of the courts EXACTLY where old pictures show the
>elevated curving up what used to be the continuation of Fulton St - come to
>think of it, you could keep going up there, to "Old Fulton St", and come
out
>at Fulton Ferry Landing under the Brooklyn Bridge.  A real nice route, if
it
>comes down to it, for commerce and tourists alike -- good enough to think
it
>would be worth it for the city or the chamber of commerce to subsidize it
>down to a nickel or a free ride, in fact.
>
>Steve Delibert
>
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