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From: "J DOT Henry Priebe Jr DOT " root AT bluemoon DOT net
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: (erielack) Diamond Vol 36 No. 2 - Slightly Better Map
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Here are the same pages from ETT 61, October 30, 1960, but quite a bit larger
so they are easier to read.

Henry

J. Henry Priebe Jr. Blue Moon Internet Corp Network Administrator
www.railfan.net Railfan Network Services


On Sat, 18 Jun 2022, V.C.Stagnitto wrote:

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> Hi Ken,
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> I never observed the operation, but from other accounts that I have read and employee timetables, it appears they shoved up the High Line between the Archways and Bergen Junction. See the attached excerpts from the April 28 1963 NY Division ETT. Page 91 describes the backup move rules regarding use of the backup hose. Pages 86 and 88 show the time schedules. Times are shown for Croxton and Bergen Jct. - looks to be 6 minutes.
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> Vinnie
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> On June 17, 2022 at 5:32:47 PM, Bush Kenneth (erie906@outlook.com) wrote:
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> A couple of questions on the "old loop/new loop" article and map:
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> First, how did Northern Branch trains accomplish the shove move to get into Hoboken Terminal? It seems from the map that this could be most easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then shoving back onto the Greenwood Lake Lead and the Third Track to the 1955 Ramp, and then moving forward via the 1955 Ramp and Boonton Line/M&E into Hoboken. If this is not how it were done, a corrected description of the operation is of great interest to me.
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> Second, how much additional time did it take to accomplish this backup move?
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> Third, was there any other track construction completed to allow Northern Branch trains to avoid this backup move? If not, were any contemplated? Or was the hope of discontinuing Northern Branch commuter operations already being planned when Northern Branch trains were moved to the Hoboken Terminal?
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> Fourth, did the time needed for the backup move lengthen the schedule sufficiently long enough to discourage ridership, thus leading to the end of all passenger service on the Branch?
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> Thanks.
>
> Ken Bush
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> Thanks to everyone for the positive comments on the Croxton approach
> map. Actually, in looking at it with fresh eyes (and some help from Rich
> Tubbs via Facebook), I realized that I placed West End Tower on the
> wrong side of the tracks, and that I had the A Yard "Boxcar" office on
> the east side of the PRR / PC North East Corridor Line bridge; it was
> actually just west of the Turnpike and PRR / PC bridges, near County
> Road. So here is a slightly better version with those tweeks. Jim Gerofsky


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