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From: Dave Rutan rutan3 AT embarqmail DOT com
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:09:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-X6765
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Well, I found what I was looking for but I don't consider it absolute evidence.
See my 3 attachments.

In X4102 we previously identified this building as the creamery at Strader's. It is in a spread of photos that positively ID the location. The lettering on the creamery building is identical to that on the side of the truck, that is, it says the same exact words.

In X6765, the one from today's post, I'm looking at the overhang. I can only say that it looks like a similar overhang in the newspaper photo that I attached. The windows on the building to the left in X6765 could be like the ones in the newspaper photo. Oh that the resolution were sharper! On the building in the present day, the windows have been switched out and no longer look like this.

So even though I'd be willing to say informally that X6765 is at Becker's at Strader's, I still wouldn't put my name on it in print. (Even though the photo has been published at least once elsewhere stating it is at Strader's.)

Dave Rutan

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Rutan
To: EL List
Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:30:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-X6765

Paul,

I've always accepted that image as being from the Becker's Creamery at Strader's, but I have a small percentage of doubt. I'm looking through my stuff to see if I can find some solid evidence. It will take a while.

Are there images of the Roseland creamery to help corroborate? The address on the truck is nice, but trucks can move from place to place.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Tupaczewski
To: EL Mail List , Robert Bahrs
Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 08:34:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-April 30, 2019--X Series (X6701-X6841)IDs

Note that X6765 is showing milk cans being loaded at Henry Becker's creamery - are we certain this is Roseland, or could it be at Straders? Becker's owned both (and Henry Becker famously had Alco build a live-steam 4-8-4 patterned after the Lackawanna's)

Curious what the photo was for - publicity purposes?



> On April 30, 2019 at 1:13 PM Robert Bahrs wrote:
>
>
>
> X6701--Jersey City, NJ--VIEW LOOKS EAST AT Pier no.10 CONSTRUCTION
> [1929.05.24]
> X6702--Jersey City, NJ--VIEW LOOKS WEST AT Track layout west of Pier no. 10
> [1929.05.24]
> X6765--Roseland, NJ--Truck loading milk cans [1929.xx.xx]
> X6772--JERSEY CITY, NJ, B&O gondola no. 255448--3/4 view--Damaged negative
> [1929.xx.xx]
> X6841--Jersey City, NJ--Terminal warehouse--North viaduct CONSTRUCTION at
> Grove Street [1929.08.20]
>
> BOB BAHRS
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:51 AM Paul R. Tupaczewski
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-30-19
> >
> > X6772.jpg (image/jpeg, 2202x1941 374211 bytes, BF: 11.42 ppb)
> > X6841.jpg (image/jpeg, 2870x2248 891679 bytes, BF: 7.24 ppb)
> > X6765.jpg (image/jpeg, 2822x2191 891764 bytes, BF: 6.93 ppb)
> > X6701.jpg (image/jpeg, 3300x2550 562931 bytes, BF: 14.95 ppb)
> > X6702.jpg (image/jpeg, 3300x2550 812262 bytes, BF: 10.36 ppb)
> >
> >
> > X6701--Jersey City, NJ--Pier no. 10 [1929.05.24]
> > X6702--Jersey City, NJ--Track layout west of Pier no. 10 [1929.05.24]
> > X6765--Roseland, NJ--Truck loading milk cans [1929.xx.xx]
> > X6772--B&O gondola no. 255448--3/4 view--Damaged negative [1929.xx.xx]
> > X6841--Jersey City, NJ--Terminal warehouse--North viaduct at Grove Street
> > [1929.08.20]
> >
> > It wIas suggested, and I was asked to clarify who took what Lackawanna
> > photos, and what the proper credit line should show when using these
> > images. Below is the current National Park Service Style Guide, from which
> > I have posted items 9 and 10 which deal with credits.
> >
> > *In short it is stating that when a photographer or maker is known, they
> > should always be listed in the credit line on material owned by the NPS.*
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > National Park Service Style GuidesHarpers Ferry Center follows the *Chicago
> > Manual of Style, American Heritage Dictionary,* and our own *HFC
> > Editorial Style Guide*. We are guided by the principles of clarity,
> > simplicity, and nonbiased language.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > • CREDIT LINES: in publications HFC credits images used in Unigrid
> > brochures and other publications, even if NPS employees took them. We also
> > reserve the right to edit a provider’s preferred credit. All caps, small
> > size, simple style. See copyright. Credits usually take one of these forms:
> >
> > 9. NPS owns photo or artwork, which is in its collection, and original
> > maker is known: NPS / MARY JONES
> >
> > 10. Institution allows use of a photo or artwork that they own:
> > SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION LIBRARY OF CONGRESS a. Artist or photographer has
> > historical importance: Use name in caption (preferred) or in credit: Edward
> > Curtis photographed these Navajo riding east into Canyon de Chelly in 1904.
> > [credit would read NATIONAL ARCHIVES] NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY / GEORGE
> > HAYWARD[no caption] b. If contemporary photographer of an artifact or
> > artwork is known: SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION / CHIP CLARK
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > The following was taken from* THE Delaware Lackawanna and Western
> > Facebook Page.*
> >
> > For anyone sharing photo's via Steamtown NHS, and you don't know to whom
> > to credit as the photographer, here is a quick and easy chart.
> > The A, B, C, E, F, G, and L series were all taken by Watson B Bunnell,
> > UNLESS there is a small A in the lower left corner. Then that photo was
> > taken by his assistant John Anneman. The only other series being the X
> > series which were all taken by William B Barry Jr.
> >
> > *Please use this when ever and where ever you are posting Lackawanna
> > Photos that are now owned by Steamtown NHS*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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