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From: Jim S pumpers19 AT yahoo DOT com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:45:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6987
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Thanks Ray - just what I was trying to find out about the NJ Midland/NYSW trestles. Is that writtten up in some book or website or something somewhere where I can read more about it? When exactly do you think the NJ Midland (Hudson Connecting) actually got down to Marion Jct?
The Montclair Railway is another good one. Here is all I know on that one:1. 1873 map attached - showing it crossing the old M&E alignment and and going on to connect (off the edge of the map) to the old Paterson & Hudson River RR (or NJ Midland?) to get to what we now call Marion Jct (what did they call Marion Jct the junction back then? ). I am not sure exactly when the Montclair Railway made it to this area - 1867 at the earliest??.
Note the NJ Midland is labelled on the north (right) side of the map; the Northern next to it is not labelled on this panel. On the left side (south of the Erie main) the map doesn't label the NJ Midland vs the old Paterson & Hudson RIver. The NJ Midland (Hudson Connecting) was just built in this year or a few years before.
This M&E alignnment, unlike the 2nd later one seen in Bob Bahrs' picture a week or so ago, was grade separated from the Paterson and Hudson RIver (and or the NJ Midland), passing under them.
2. 1880 map attached showing the same as the above, but also the connection of the Montclair to the NJ Midland going on to Marion Jct. Also note the new (current) M&E alignment is there by now, but the Montclair doesn't cross it. The old alignment is now the Paterson and Newark RR (not labelled.)
Now the Northern is labeled, shown going into the Erie tunnel, and only the NJ Midland is labeled south of the Erie. Were the Paterson and Hudson River tracks still there south of the Erie main ? I think so - the show up in the 1896 map next. So which tracks (P&HR or the NJ Midland) did the Montclair use? I am not sure which (Montclair Railway or NJ Midland) was there first. The P&HR was long before either of them.
The above 2 maps I got from the Rutgers Mapmaker site: http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HUDSON_COUNTY/oldHudson.html

3. 1896 Sanborn map attached: by now the Montclair is the NY&GL, and it ties into the Newark & Hudson RR (part of the Paterson and Newark RR (on the old M&E alignment) to get to the Erie tunnel instead of going to Exchange Place. The NYSW is shown adjacent to but separate from the Paterson and Hudson River RR. And the NYSW trestle over the Erie main is there :).
Jim


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 01:49:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Raymond Wetzel
Subject: Re: [REPOST] (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6986

February 6, 2020 @ 8:39 PM

Jim,

As for when the first (of three) NYS&W trestles was built over the east end of the Erie's Croxton Yard (near KW tower) to reach the Pennsylvania RR at Marion Junction, that was a wooden trestle erected in 1872. From what I understand it was singled-tracked. It was subsequently replaced by a second wooden trestle said to probably be double-tracked. The third trestle, built by the Watson Bridge Company of Paterson was built in 1891, of steel. You mention that this first bridge may go back to the original New Jersey Midland, and by that, you're not only correct by this guess but it goes back to near the origin of the NJ Midland. The NJ Midland (or Midland Railroad Company of New Jersey) was formed by the NJH&D (New Jersey Hudson & Delaware), the SV (Sussex Valley), the NJW (New Jersey Western) and the HC (Hudson Connecting Rwy -- a subsidiary of the NJW) Railroads on March 17, 1870. The first trestle over Croxton Yard was built only two years later. I don't believe it !
had been mentioned here, but the NJ Midland had been leased by Dewitt C, Littlejohn's New York & Oswego Midland in 1872 although that was short-lived as the NY&OM went into bankruptcy shortly afterwards. NJM's president, Cornelius A Wortendyke joined the NYO&W Board for this brief time.

Anyhow, this bridge was necessary to reach the Exchange Place Terminal with passenger service with the connection at Marion Jct with the PRR's predecessor, the NJRR&T (New Jersey Railroad & Transportation Company -- later, PRR's Exchange Place Branch) over which it had trackage rights, initially as NJ Midlands sole Hudson River terminal. The Montclair Rwy also had a connection with the Hudson Connecting Rwy to reach Jersey City, but I'm not getting into that here. With the Erie's Bergen Archway being completed in 1910, NYSW passenger trains would use both the Erie and the PRR terminal for a brief time (up until December 1, 1911, when operating into the Pennsy's terminal was discontinued. The Susquehanna's trestle was partially dismantled some time after this and just as you went into, any moves of NYS&W cars by the Erie on their Croxton trackage were charged to this subsidiary at this time


Ray Wetzel






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