Re: (erielack) Boonton LIRR cars, was: "Forsaken" book

["Pieter K Terwilleger" <01pterwi_@_charter.net>]

Well, perhaps one saving grace is someone will most likely make models of 
these from diagrams or plans.....then we may keep the legacy alive, albeit 
in 1:87 or O scale......

Pete

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From: "Ken Clark" <portlandturn_@_yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:58 PM
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Subject: Re: (erielack) Boonton LIRR cars, was: "Forsaken" book

>
> There are so many historic cars out there that were saved by well meaning 
> but very naive people - and I include the URHS in that category.  As the 
> people really interested in railroading continues to decline, the number 
> of people to either work on or donate to save equipment.  None of the LIRR 
> stuff makes any sense to save - you would easily need $200K to save any 
> one of these cars.  The URHS stuff in Boonton has a lot of cars that are 
> really of dubious historical significance.  Do you really care if second 
> hand ex-Great Northern cars (heavily modified) used on the NY&LB are 
> saved?  For us EL fans the tragedy are the DL&W MU subscription cars. 
> They have so much damage, especially rot along the bottom sill and roof 
> separation from the car body, not to mention severe damage to the mahogany 
> woodwork.  The sky is the limit on what these cars would cost to restore - 
> $400K?  While these cars were being ignored the URHS spent over $700K to 
> acquire and
> restore the "Hickory Creek", the New York Central observation car from the 
> 20th Century Limited that NEVER ran in NJ (for a NJ State Museum!).
>
> I have to hand it to the folks at the ELDCPS who have focused on a very 
> specific mission and seem to have been diligently raising money to make it 
> happen.  I see the day when their stuff is running.  I don't see anything 
> in Boonton ever leaving in one piece.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Sat, 12/18/10, Pieter K Terwilleger <01pterwi_@_charter.net> wrote:
>
> From: Pieter K Terwilleger <01pterwi_@_charter.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Boonton LIRR cars, was: "Forsaken" book
> To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Date: Saturday, December 18, 2010, 1:49 PM
>
> Oh, man......get out the sheet metal and the hydraulic shears!
>
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> From: "Mike Dodge" <micstedod_@_verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Boonton LIRR cars, was: "Forsaken" book
>
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>> Randy Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>> Considering the way some scrapping operations have gone in the past, I 
>> hope URHS is keeping a close eye on this to prevent over-exuberance on 
>> the part of the scrappers: "Let's clean out all the junk in Boonton!"
>>
>>
>> Randy,
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, these cars have been allowed to deteriorate to the point 
>> where scrapping might be a kindness. This past summer the Whippany 
>> Railway Museum
>> was allowed to remove some needed parts from one of the ex-CNJ coaches 
>> because it was nearly a
> twin to the Museum's "Jersey Coast." (I believe these is the
>> same one which was lettered "Lackawanna" on one of Paul T's postcards}. 
>> First of all, the interiors had been "renovated" to turn them into shops 
>> and then over
>>
>> the years water, insects and vines had all done damage to parts of the 
>> interior to the point that, for example, none of the window frames were 
>> complete.
>>
>> And this car was probably in the best shape of any of them. Luckily, most 
>> of the interior wood paneling had not been vandalized; this was mainly 
>> what we saved.
>>
>>
>>
>> We looked at the second ex-CNJ car to see if there was anything we could 
>> salvage. I have attached a photo of the interior. Note especially the 
>> condition of the
>>
>> floor. As much as I hate to see vintage equipment disappear, most groups 
>> are working with limited financial and manpower resouces and expending 
>> them on cars
>>
>> that
> have gotten to this condition does not seem the best way to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Dodge
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