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(erielack) Erie Signals
- Subject: (erielack) Erie Signals
- From: Wdburt1_@_aol.com
- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:50:03 EST
Bob Bahrs wrote:
> When you walk or ride along a right of ways you constantly
> find signal stanchions that don't conform to a particular track chart,
but
> they did to some previous chart that is now obsolete.
True. On The Allegany Division old main line between CB Junction and
Hornell, for example, the one and only signal installation was in 1930. At
that time, the division still had a number of sidings, often with substandard
length or cut by crossings. They included one extending eastward between
CBJ and Cuba, Cuba Summit, Friendship, Belvidere, Belmont, Wellsville, Dyke
(east of Wellsville), Andover, and Tip Top. Double track also remained
between Cass Street and Oakley Tower west of Almond. Each end of these
sidings had a tall, two-headed signal, located just beyond the switch. The lower
head was a red marker light and together with the absence of a number
plate helped establish that red-over-red meant Stop, not Stop and Proceed. In
the APB (Absolute Permissive Block) system, this signal marked the
beginning of the head block. A train passing it would tumble down to red all
signals governing opposing movements between there and the next siding. As
these sidings were pulled up in the 1960s, the head block signals lost their
marker lights and gained number plates. Based on observing the operation
from parallel roads during the early 1970s, I would say that it appears that
the signals still tumbled-down groups of wayside automatics just as they
did before, although I thought I saw some evidence that at least some
head-blocks had been eliminated altogether with the adjoining groups of automatics
being combined. In the era before scanners, all this mattered greatly if
you were in your car trying to locate a train.
Another common reason for signal changes was respacing. Originally, i.e.,
from about 1910 to 1930, many signal installations were justified as
protecting passenger train movements, and at the time freight trains were
shorter and lighter also. I recall reading, but have never seen any real proof,
that the typical signal block originally was around 1.8 miles with
adjustments made for grades. The changes that came with the 3300's, diesels,
heavier freight cars, and better brakes (including advances in brake valves
right into the 1970s) all impacted stopping distance and caused signal spacing
to be re-evaluated periodically. The advent of long stack trains brought
another round--a 400-container stack train was more than two miles long.
More recently, improved track code technologies have permitted longer blocks.
Signals respaced by Conrail or NS seemed to end up with about 3 to 3.5
mile blocks, this being determined mainly by the limitations of track code.
The best documentation that I have seen for Erie and EL-era changes is the
notes on valuation maps. While it's a lot of work to interpret them, the
locational data is especially good. Bob mentions track charts. If you
have one of the old hand-drawn charts, you can often see the erasures showing
old sidings and signals.
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