Re: (erielack) Auto Racks

["David Benn" <Intermodalbenn_@_cox.net>]

Interesting discussion for my modeling.  Thanks for sharing so much info. 
Question though, did any of those discussing this with such knowledge 
photograph these autoracks, or have wheel reports of trains with autoparts 
boxcars for Mahwah, and if so, where in the archives can one find them?

Dave Benn
Virginia Beach


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From: <pat.moore_@_att.net>
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Auto Racks


>  Paul...
>
> Interesting.  The interchange partners would certainly give a good 
> indication of what roadnames one would expect to see on the auto racks. 
> Except for the D&H, anyway.  The D&H was one of the few class 1s that 
> didn't have auto racks.  I find it interesting that none of the outbound 
> Ford traffic was interchanged with the PC.  Yes, the N&W had several 
> hundred 89' flat cars, by 1980 at least.  Evidently, some of them were 
> obtained in the early- to mid-70s.
>
> As for Chrysler assembly plants back in the mid-70s, they had three in 
> Michigan and the one in Windsor, Ontario, as well as plants in Newark DE, 
> Fenton (St. Louis) MO, and Belvidere IL.  Not sure about the others, but 
> Belvidere was on the C&NW.
>
> -pat
>
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> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I can't give you much specific info, as the consists list the flatcar
>> (mostly TT) and not the rack. However I can tell you that all the Pocono
>> Chryslers came out of Buffalo, and it appears all came off N&W. Oddly
>> enough, there are several N&W cars among the mostly TT's (and one Cotton
>> Belt); I wasn't aware N&W owned 89' flatcars (but SP-SSW did). I don't 
>> know
>> where the Chrysler assembly plants are/were, or what route they took to
>> Buffalo: Wabash, NKP or both.
>>
>> Except for one or two Buffalos, Ford-Mahwah production that was shipped 
>> on
>> EL was interchanged with D&H (enroute to CN or CP), N&W, CN, B&O, N&W
>> (enroute to SR), L&N, MP, IHB (enroute to IC), ATSF and BN, so I would
>> surmise that at least all these roads (except possibly D&H) were 
>> represented
>> st Mahwah.
>>
>> Paul B
>>
>> > Like
>> > autoparts cars, autoracks were in assigned service, accounting for the
>> > high
>> > empty miles. The tiedowns were specific to model groups. The racks were
>> > owned by all the RR's in the pool participating in a particular model's
>> > movement.
>>
>> Really?  I never knew that.  It makes sense, though.  It must be that the
>> pools were much bigger compared to some of the auto parts pools.  That 
>> would
>> account for the wider variety of racks compared to Hi-Cubes, for example.
>>
>> Then again, if you are talking about the freight traffic to and from an
>> automobile distribution facility, like the Chrysler facility at Mt. 
>> Pocono,
>> I suppose that sort of facility would receive racks loaded from many
>> different Chrysler plants.  Is that correct?  That way, we would have 
>> seen
>> auto racks from many different equipment pools all being gathered for
>> delivery to Mt. Pocono.  That could also account for the variety.  That 
>> is
>> opposed to something like Ford at Mahwah, which made just one type of
>> vehicle so it would have involved fewer equipment pools and less variety?
>>
>> - -pat
>>
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