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Re: (erielack) Phoney Photos

I'm getting the impression you don't like drunks much. I personally take 
offense at that!    ; ^)     If you're referring to someone in particular, 
please use their names. Thanks.

Todd K. Stearns



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From: "ERIE LACKAWANNA" <erie_lackawanna_@_yahoo.com>
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Phoney Photos


> With The Drunks at Notch 8 in full control none of these alleged projects 
> will ever get started. If serious would Nat allowed truck or service to be 
> eased and eliminated
>
>  Jerome
> "Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)" <paultup_@_alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>  Mike D. wrote:
>
>> But in a case like FD&S for ARHS, we purists may have to
>> change our thinking a bit. Now, I haven't yet seen the
>> magazine and can't speak for the context or presentation.
>> From descriptions we're talking about a DL&W train on the
>> West Shore during the '55 detours. That actually did happen
>> as I recall seeing in the 1980s a Bob Krone color picture of
>> Lackawanna freight Fs pulling a Buffalo train up the West
>> Shore in Bergen County. I don't recall the unit numbers.
>
>
> That's exactly what the photoshopped FD&S photo was trying to show (Rich
> J. claims they couldn't find a photo of the operation, but it *DID*
> happen - this was just a representation of what that would have looked
> like, and said as much in the caption)
>
>
>
>> Now if an artist painted on canvas a scene with those same
>> known Fs on the West Shore under the Bear Mountain Bridge at
>> about the same time and day that the known train had been
>> there, we'd be in admiration. In this case an "artist"
>> working in PhotoShop created that scene in pixels. There's
>> apparently no attempt at fraud, and maybe the fact that it's
>> an illustration could have been more clearly pointed out.
>
>
> Unless you put a big "THIS IS ONLY AN ILLUSTRATION!" superimposed over
> the image, I'm not sure if the caption could have been any clearer.
>
>
>
>> But digital imaging is here to stay, and it does give an
>> artist the ability to create ANYTHING in his mind's eye, and
>> we can't stop this progress. We're all going to have to get
>> used to it.
>>
>> Times, they are a changin' Our integrity as objective
>> historians is becoming more important than ever. Do it,
>> preach it, live it, and be critical of those who don't.
>> Historians are going to have to consider the chance of
>> manipulation in print and on line.
>
>
> Mike makes many valid points. Thanks to computer technology, I could
> fake entire documents up and no one would be any the wiser. Integrity?
> None whatsoever, but the technology is there to do it.
>
> I still think that "representations" of an actual historical occurence
> (not a "what-if", such as ATSF F-units rolling over Moodna Viaduct) are
> valid uses of Photoshop, AS LONG AS THEY'RE CLEARLY STATED AS SUCH. I
> would love to see a color photo of as-delivered DL&W FTs rolling through
> Boonton, but doubt I'll ever find one. The fact is, they did run through
> town in the early 1940s, so it's a nice 'time machine' to see what once
> was, but no one was in a position to capture it.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> - Paul
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