Re: (erielack) Lackawanna Cutoff article-Daily Record

[GaryL <glarimer_@_gmail.com>]

A lot has changed since 1960.  Most especially with the implementation
of new collision standards for passenger locomotives.

<http://www.aptastandards.com/portals/0/PRESS_pdfs/volume2/ss_c_and_s_007_98_rev_1.pdf>

<http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/Research/rr0502.pdf>

<http://www.motivepower-wabtec.com/doc/MP_MPXpress.pdf>

Now, "impact resistance", penetration resistant fuel tanks,
deformation resistance cab structures, and many other considerations
must factor into the design of passenger locomotives.

This has always been a very limited market, with the potential for
inclusion of extensive political considerations, such as "build it
here" contract specifications.  The traditional builders have
basically abandoned the market.  The days of doing modifications to
existing designs, such as what was done with examples like the FL9 and
GP40P, are over.  A completely new design, specific to this
application, is required to meet these standards.

Motive Power has found a market niche in which they can offer a
product, but their design has weight problems where considerations
such as axle loading or "dual mode" capability come into play.   These
weight issues are a direct result of meeting the APTA crashworthiness
standards.

2008/6/2 Bill K. <pontiac_@_dreamscape.com>:
>
> Amazing they can't fit the works into a Genesis carbody stretched like the
> FL9 was - if EMD could do it in one unit in 1960?


> I think the whole problem with this cutoff is all the overthinking because
> every time you turn around they invent a new reason not to build it.  But
> that's a general problem with almost anything you want to do in this
> country, there's always someone or something standing in your way.  The more
> this is delayed the more even the engineering will cost, because those guys
> are going to Russia and China to build roads there.
>
>
> Bill K.
>
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>> From: "Gary R. Kazin" <gkazin_@_yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Lackawanna Cutoff article-Daily Record
>>
>> - --- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)
>> <paultup_@_alcatel-lucent.com> quoted:
>>>
>>> > Problem is Neither the Morris and Essex nor the Boonton Line
>>> > go to Secaucus (except Midtown direct) ... Cut off trains
>>> > will be diesel and go to hoboken unless NJT gets dual modes
>>> > however transfers at Newark Broad Street or Summit on the M&E
>>> > div can also get you there
>>
>>> NJT is apparently putting together a bid request for a dual-mode
>>> diesel/electric unit for this service (according to X2200
>>> South magazine)...
>>
>> The request was issued last year and got NO responses, then was reissued
>> and got ONE response, not GE or EMD.  A few years ago, NJT had worked with
>> GE on an AC "Genesis III" locomotive.  GE said they could not fit all the
>> equipment into the space available within an ALP-type car body and that it
>> would be grossly in excess of allowable axle loadings.  They did say they
>> could do it in an articulated locomotive that would be over 100 feet long,
>> which would take up TWO car lengths at New York...

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