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Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel

Thanks Tim.  I didn't know the details on the other GPC shipments.  Good 
info.

When I said "remnants of the EL Salamanca Yard"  I meant what was left of 
the yard.  A lot of the yard was pulled up after diesels took over from 
steam and traffic from the Dunkirk Branch and the Bradford Division began to 
dry up.

I have been thinking a lot lately on when we used to go train watching over 
to Silver Creek.  Those were good times.  I haven't been an active railfan 
in years.  Even if I had the time I just can't get excited over today's 
diesels and the small number of railroads that run them - as so many on this 
list have said before.  I never thought I would ever say I missed seeing a 
Conrail GP40-2, but I do now!

Dave


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Heckman" <chunk1_@_msn.com>
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel


> Dave
> this is what i remember i have also forwarded a copy to a previous NY&LE 
> enginer
> Tim Heckman ELHS#2571 MP 35 DAYTON HILL 2.5% GRADE STEEPEST ON ERIE
>
>
>
>> From: davandli_@_frontiernet.net> To: erielack@lists.railfan.net> Subject: 
>> Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 
>> 15:03:26 -0400> > The power station in "Big Flats" is the former NYSEG 
>> Hickling Station. It > is actually located in East Corning, Steuben 
>> County. Big Flats is just over > the line in Chemung County. Hickling 
>> Station has been closed for some time. > I believe NYSEG has sold it.> > 
>> I don't know if NYS Dept. of Corrections at Collins/Gowanda received coal 
>>  > from the railroad but when the facility was Gowanda State Hospital it 
>> most > assuredly did from Erie/EL, and I believe into Conrail. There was 
>> a spur > that went right onto a deck girder coal unloading trestle that 
>> was about 100 > feet long with concrete containment on three sides. 
>> Corrections removed > some of the coal unloading bridgework in the 
>> 1990's. It's possible all of > it is gone by now. I have been meaning to 
>> get back there to see what's > left. I'm sure the goons (guards) will !
> be all over me if I tried it. There > is a shooting range somewhere back 
> there now - they may have even put it in > the old coal bins - would have 
> made a great pistol range.
>
> in the early 80's NY&le still delievered coal to GPC.  by then the bakery 
> was shut down. also all of the farm that supplied products to GPC. they 
> still moved the farm equipment into the 80's but that also dissappeared 
> when it became the med/max state prison. Gpc use to split a covered hopper 
> of flour with another facility in Auburn NY.
>> > Off Topic Comment - The Gowanda area sometimes took a razzing for 
>> > having > Gowanda State Hospital (it cared for the mentally ill) but in 
>> > retrospect it > was a real asset to the surrounding community. The 
>> > campus was clean and > neat with many stately old buildings. It was 
>> > well-run, provided a lot of > good jobs, provided a good service to 
>> > people in need, and was really part of > the local community - a good 
>> > neighbor all around. It housed a model > railroad club (still there) 
>> > and a beautiful old-style baseball stadium > reminiscent of the old 
>> > "Rock Pile" in Buffalo. What a shame when the State > closed down the 
>> > hospital.
> its now a exercise facility and wieght room  its kinda hard to use during 
> the winter. poor convicts
>
>
> On the other hand, the arrival of the prison has, > overall, been a 
> disaster. Most of the jobs are held by folks from the > Buffalo suburbs, 
> not local people. The place is all fenced up, of course, > making the 
> campus ugly and very unfriendly. Most of all, the prisons (there > are 
> three) have brought many, I don't know how else to say it, > 
> "undesireables" (this has nothing to do with race) to the area so they can 
>  > more easily visit their convict or await his release. Property owners, 
> law > enforcement, and the school system have to contend with all the 
> social > problems such people have brought to the community. The prison 
> was touted > as a good thing by NYS. Instead, it has contributed to the 
> decline of an > area that was already severly depressed economically.> > 
> J.N. Adam was another NYS facility in the Gowanda area (it cared for the > 
> mentally retarded). Located in Perrysburg, on the EL Dunkirk Branch, it > 
> took in coal by rail for its power station. There was a coal t!
> ipple down by > the depot in the village. The coal was trucked from there 
> to the power > plant.> > Moench Tanning in Gowanda took in coal by rail. 
> Didn't they have a small > generating station for the tannery?
> they did have a power house but i dont remember if they recieved coal. by 
> then PCG Peter Cooper Glue was just a warehouse and most of the production 
> was moved west to wisconsin or michigan.
> GFS Gowanda Fuel supply near the station sold coal along with other 
> fuels.> > The Groveland State Hospital in Sonyea, NY had a coal unloading 
> trestle > which fed its power plant. It was similar in design to the one 
> at Gowanda > State Hospital, and was served by the PRR Rochester Branch. 
> This part is > speculation - maybe someone knows for sure - maybe the 
> Dansville & Mount > Morris served the power plant when the PRR left in the 
> late 1950s. If so, > D&MM would have received its coal from the DL&W/EL at 
> Mount Morris (the Erie > was gone from there by that time).> > As a kid I 
> remember always seeing many Chessie hoppers in the remants of the > EL 
> Salamanca yard. This would have been during the early Conrail years. I > 
> don't know where they were headed - east or west? Anyone hazard a guess?> 
> as remants do you mean animal carcasses.  they would probably be headed to 
> Moench tanning > Dave Green> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 
> <Smtimko_@_aol.com>> To: <erielack@lists.r!
> ailfan.net>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:17 PM> Subject: Re: 
> (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel> > > >> > In a message dated 4/2/2008 
> 11:05:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> >> > And besides, just how many 
> power plants did the EL serve?> >> > .........................> >> > While 
> not in the sense of providing unit trains, the EL delivered coal to> > the 
> following:> >> > Ohio Edison's Mahoningside Station in Warren (closed 
> about 1965 or so)> > Ohio Edison's Niles Steam Station (coal moving from 
> Lisbon, OH)> > Ohio Edison's North Avenue Steam Station in Youngstown> > 
> Standard Oil's power plant in Cleveland> > Jamestown City Light in 
> Jamestown, NY.> >> > I believe New York State Dept of Correction's Collins 
> hospital/prison > > power> > plant was served by EL (Jerry Heckman, can 
> you assist on this?)> >> > SMT> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 
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