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Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel

I am quite familair with the old W&LE / NYP in the area around Mingo 
Junction, Ohio since my in-laws lived near there.

The coal mining in Southern Ohio was virtually put out of business because 
the coal mined there is all very high sulphur, hence the bringing of coal 
fram PRB and other locations. Needless to say, this was a very bitter pill 
for the ecnomy of Southern Ohio, watching those coal trains go apst their 
closed down mines and loss of jobs.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Spinelli" <sms158_@_uakron.edu>
To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel


> Hello,
>
> You may or may not have to think outside the box. The W&LE serves a coke 
> plant that takes in trainloads of PRB coal, and the Ohio Central serves a 
> power plant that uses it. That coal gets here to Ohio NS or CSX.
>
> The plant uses PRB coal, despite the fact that the OC serves a coal mine 
> on competitor W&LE, and gets there through trackage rights. So you have 
> loaded coal trains going east and west passing each other!!! In 2008 
> railroading, the truth is often stranger than fiction...
>
> New power plants have been built, some along railroads some not. It's 
> impossible to say that it couldn't have happened near a small scrappy 
> competitor to the Conrail disaster of the late 70's. Probability says no, 
> but it's fun for some to speculate.
>
> Mike Spinelli
>
> Quoting pat.moore_@_att.net:
>
>> List...
>>
>> And besides, just how many power plants did the EL serve?  I know of the 
>> one on the east end (someone please insert the details...was it on the 
>> B&P?), but other than that, did the EL serve any other power plants? 
>> There was a small power plant in Big Flats, NY, which I think had a spur, 
>> but I don't remember seeing much in the way of coal delivery in the 70s. 
>> If they got delivery by rail, it was in small lots and not entire trains, 
>> that is for sure.  Perhaps on the west end?
>>
>> Beyond that, I think Paul B. is right about the economics of the 
>> situation.  The transport cost east of roughly the Mississippi makes it 
>> too expensive when you already have Appalachian coal nearby.  Yeah, the 
>> appalachian stuff might have a higher sulphur content, but the power 
>> plants in the east are already set up to burn the appalachian stuff 
>> anyway.  The farthest trip for PRB coal that I know of was to a Florida 
>> Power & Light plant in north Florida.  They barged the stuff down the 
>> Mississippi to the Gulf, then over to Apalachicola, where it was railed 
>> up the Apalachicola Northern and then east on the old SAL through 
>> Tallahassee.  But, that is getting way off topic.  Sorry.
>>
>> I would like to know about power plants, though.
>>
>> -pat
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Very little low sulphur coal from Montana and the PRB has ventured east 
>>> of
>>> Chicago and the Mississippi River. I'm not aware of any movements into 
>>> the
>>> Northeast, but I do know of a couple to the Southeast: a BN-L&N move 
>>> into
>>> Tennessee beginning in 1972, and another over NS to a power plant near
>>> Atlanta beginning in the 1990's. The economics of coal transport 
>>> generally
>>> does not support movement over long distances if an alternate source is
>>> available more locally. I believe all of this coal is used in power 
>>> plants
>>> and not in steelmaking.
>>>
>>> Paul B
>>>
>>> From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
>>>
>>> I have wondered that as well. I the late 70's would powder river coal 
>>> have
>>> moved east on the EL? And to where?
>>>
>>> I must admit to some limited knowledge, I do not know of powder river 
>>> coal
>>> runs that far east right now heh. There are a lot of coal fields still 
>>> in
>>> western PA and the Virginias.
>>>
>>>
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> Mike Spinelli
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