The Goudy Station Power plant in Johnson city really goes back quite far into the DL&W era. It was enlarged and modernized. When I left the area nine years ago Conrail was still deleivering a train load about once a week. When I lived in Endicott my next door neighbor was Vice President in charge of power genreation for New York State Electric and Gas. He told me that normally they got coal by rail from Central Pennsylvania. But every couple of years the rairlaod would raise the fright rates so they would switch to getting coal hauled the 150 or so miles by truck. After that "Conrail came around with a decent rate" and they went back to rail". Sometimes they got coal by rail and truck at the same time. Might note that in the ICC years none of this would be possible since the ICC set the rates. Also, for many years and into the EL the Scranton Electric's Green Ridge power plant on the Scranton Branch of the Erie got all its coal by rail. I worked as an engineering trainee at that plant during the summer of 1952. Chuck Yungkurth Boulder CO - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Scaptura" <jscaptura_@_stny.rr.com> To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel > When was the plant in Johnson City built? Did it come online under DL&W or > EL? Today, it is served by rail (NS), so I'm assuming that it switched > from trucks during Conrail. Is that correct? > > Jon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <pat.moore_@_att.net> > To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel > > >> Brad, >> >> Yes, there were power plants in the Srn Tier, but by the 70s they weren't >> getting their coal by rail, at least not the one in Big Flats (which is >> between Corning and Elmira) or the one near Johnson City. As I recall, >> the one in Big Flats also trucked their coal up from PA as well. Not >> sure about the one in Afton on the D&H, but that is off-topic. >> >> -pat >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com> >>> >>> According to DeYoungs Volume 2: New York State, EL hauled coal from the >>> Pittsburg & Shawmut to Metropolitan Edison's Portland, PA generating >>> stagion, >>> just east of the Delaware Water Gap. But I had figured that the southern >>> tier >>> had to get its power from a plant somewhere in the area. In my hometown >>> of >>> Lincoln, NE there are 3 power plants within an hours drive, in different >>> directions. >>> >>> Brad >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: pat.moore_@_att.net<mailto:pat.moore@att.net> >>> To: EL Mail List<mailto:erielack_@_lists.railfan.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:46 AM >>> Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel >>> >>> >>> List... >>> >>> And besides, just how many power plants did the EL serve? I know of >>> the one >>> on the east end (someone please insert the details...was it on the >>> B&P?), but >>> other than that, did the EL serve any other power plants? There was a >>> small >>> power plant in Big Flats, NY, which I think had a spur, but I don't >>> remember >>> seeing much in the way of coal delivery in the 70s. If they got >>> delivery by >>> rail, it was in small lots and not entire trains, that is for sure. >>> Perhaps on >>> the west end? >>> >>> Beyond that, I think Paul B. is right about the economics of the >>> situation. >>> The transport cost east of roughly the Mississippi makes it too >>> expensive when >>> you already have Appalachian coal nearby. Yeah, the appalachian stuff >>> might >>> have a higher sulphur content, but the power plants in the east are >>> already set >>> up to burn the appalachian stuff anyway. The farthest trip for PRB coal >>> that I >>> know of was to a Florida Power & Light plant in north Florida. They >>> barged the >>> stuff down the Mississippi to the Gulf, then over to Apalachicola, where >>> it was >>> railed up the Apalachicola Northern and then east on the old SAL through >>> Tallahassee. But, that is getting way off topic. Sorry. >>> >>> I would like to know about power plants, though. >>> >>> -pat >>> >>> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >>> From: "Paul Brezicki" >>> <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net<mailto:doctorpb@bellsouth.net>> >>> > >>> > Very little low sulphur coal from Montana and the PRB has ventured >>> east of >>> > Chicago and the Mississippi River. I'm not aware of any movements >>> into the >>> > Northeast, but I do know of a couple to the Southeast: a BN-L&N move >>> into >>> > Tennessee beginning in 1972, and another over NS to a power plant >>> near >>> > Atlanta beginning in the 1990's. The economics of coal transport >>> generally >>> > does not support movement over long distances if an alternate source >>> is >>> > available more locally. I believe all of this coal is used in power >>> plants >>> > and not in steelmaking. >>> > >>> > Paul B >>> > >>> > From: "Bradley Butcher" >>> <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com<mailto:llyengalyn@hotmail.com>> >>> > Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel >>> > >>> > I have wondered that as well. I the late 70's would powder river >>> coal have >>> > moved east on the EL? And to where? >>> > >>> > I must admit to some limited knowledge, I do not know of powder >>> river coal >>> > runs that far east right now heh. 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