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RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel

It very much predates 1960

SGL

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Scaptura [mailto:jscaptura_@_stny.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:23 AM
> To: EL Mail List
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
> 
> When was the plant in Johnson City built? Did it come online under DL&W or
> EL?  Today, it is served by rail (NS), so I'm assuming that it switched from
> trucks during Conrail. Is that correct?
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pat.moore_@_att.net>
> To: "EL Mail List" <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
> 
> 
> >  Brad,
> >
> > Yes, there were power plants in the Srn Tier, but by the 70s they weren't
> > getting their coal by rail, at least not the one in Big Flats (which is
> > between Corning and Elmira) or the one near Johnson City.  As I recall,
> > the one in Big Flats also trucked their coal up from PA as well.  Not sure
> > about the one in Afton on the D&H, but that is off-topic.
> >
> > -pat
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> According to DeYoungs Volume 2: New York State, EL hauled coal from the
> >> Pittsburg & Shawmut to Metropolitan Edison's Portland, PA generating
> >> stagion,
> >> just east of the Delaware Water Gap. But I had figured that the southern
> >> tier
> >> had to get its power from a plant somewhere in the area. In my hometown
> >> of
> >> Lincoln, NE there are 3 power plants within an hours drive, in different
> >> directions.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: pat.moore_@_att.net<mailto:pat.moore@att.net>
> >>   To: EL Mail List<mailto:erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
> >>   Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:46 AM
> >>   Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
> >>
> >>
> >>   List...
> >>
> >>   And besides, just how many power plants did the EL serve?  I know of
> >> the one
> >> on the east end (someone please insert the details...was it on the B&P?),
> >> but
> >> other than that, did the EL serve any other power plants?  There was a
> >> small
> >> power plant in Big Flats, NY, which I think had a spur, but I don't
> >> remember
> >> seeing much in the way of coal delivery in the 70s.  If they got delivery
> >> by
> >> rail, it was in small lots and not entire trains, that is for sure.
> >> Perhaps on
> >> the west end?
> >>
> >>   Beyond that, I think Paul B. is right about the economics of the
> >> situation.
> >> The transport cost east of roughly the Mississippi makes it too expensive
> >> when
> >> you already have Appalachian coal nearby.  Yeah, the appalachian stuff
> >> might
> >> have a higher sulphur content, but the power plants in the east are
> >> already set
> >> up to burn the appalachian stuff anyway.  The farthest trip for PRB coal
> >> that I
> >> know of was to a Florida Power & Light plant in north Florida.  They
> >> barged the
> >> stuff down the Mississippi to the Gulf, then over to Apalachicola, where
> >> it was
> >> railed up the Apalachicola Northern and then east on the old SAL through
> >> Tallahassee.  But, that is getting way off topic.  Sorry.
> >>
> >>   I would like to know about power plants, though.
> >>
> >>   -pat
> >>
> >>   -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>   From: "Paul Brezicki"
> >> <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net<mailto:doctorpb@bellsouth.net>>
> >>   >
> >>   > Very little low sulphur coal from Montana and the PRB has ventured
> >> east of
> >>   > Chicago and the Mississippi River. I'm not aware of any movements
> >> into the
> >>   > Northeast, but I do know of a couple to the Southeast: a BN-L&N move
> >> into
> >>   > Tennessee beginning in 1972, and another over NS to a power plant
> >> near
> >>   > Atlanta beginning in the 1990's. The economics of coal transport
> >> generally
> >>   > does not support movement over long distances if an alternate source
> >> is
> >>   > available more locally. I believe all of this coal is used in power
> >> plants
> >>   > and not in steelmaking.
> >>   >
> >>   > Paul B
> >>   >
> >>   > From: "Bradley Butcher"
> >> <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com<mailto:llyengalyn@hotmail.com>>
> >>   > Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
> >>   >
> >>   > I have wondered that as well. I the late 70's would powder river coal
> >> have
> >>   > moved east on the EL? And to where?
> >>   >
> >>   > I must admit to some limited knowledge, I do not know of powder river
> >> coal
> >>   > runs that far east right now heh. There are a lot of coal fields
> >> still in
> >>   > western PA and the Virginias.
> >>   >
> >>   >
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