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Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel

When was the plant in Johnson City built? Did it come online under DL&W or 
EL?  Today, it is served by rail (NS), so I'm assuming that it switched from 
trucks during Conrail. Is that correct?

Jon


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pat.moore_@_att.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel


>  Brad,
>
> Yes, there were power plants in the Srn Tier, but by the 70s they weren't 
> getting their coal by rail, at least not the one in Big Flats (which is 
> between Corning and Elmira) or the one near Johnson City.  As I recall, 
> the one in Big Flats also trucked their coal up from PA as well.  Not sure 
> about the one in Afton on the D&H, but that is off-topic.
>
> -pat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Bradley Butcher" <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com>
>>
>> According to DeYoungs Volume 2: New York State, EL hauled coal from the
>> Pittsburg & Shawmut to Metropolitan Edison's Portland, PA generating 
>> stagion,
>> just east of the Delaware Water Gap. But I had figured that the southern 
>> tier
>> had to get its power from a plant somewhere in the area. In my hometown 
>> of
>> Lincoln, NE there are 3 power plants within an hours drive, in different
>> directions.
>>
>> Brad
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: pat.moore_@_att.net<mailto:pat.moore@att.net>
>>   To: EL Mail List<mailto:erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
>>   Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:46 AM
>>   Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
>>
>>
>>   List...
>>
>>   And besides, just how many power plants did the EL serve?  I know of 
>> the one
>> on the east end (someone please insert the details...was it on the B&P?), 
>> but
>> other than that, did the EL serve any other power plants?  There was a 
>> small
>> power plant in Big Flats, NY, which I think had a spur, but I don't 
>> remember
>> seeing much in the way of coal delivery in the 70s.  If they got delivery 
>> by
>> rail, it was in small lots and not entire trains, that is for sure. 
>> Perhaps on
>> the west end?
>>
>>   Beyond that, I think Paul B. is right about the economics of the 
>> situation.
>> The transport cost east of roughly the Mississippi makes it too expensive 
>> when
>> you already have Appalachian coal nearby.  Yeah, the appalachian stuff 
>> might
>> have a higher sulphur content, but the power plants in the east are 
>> already set
>> up to burn the appalachian stuff anyway.  The farthest trip for PRB coal 
>> that I
>> know of was to a Florida Power & Light plant in north Florida.  They 
>> barged the
>> stuff down the Mississippi to the Gulf, then over to Apalachicola, where 
>> it was
>> railed up the Apalachicola Northern and then east on the old SAL through
>> Tallahassee.  But, that is getting way off topic.  Sorry.
>>
>>   I would like to know about power plants, though.
>>
>>   -pat
>>
>>   -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>   From: "Paul Brezicki" 
>> <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net<mailto:doctorpb@bellsouth.net>>
>>   >
>>   > Very little low sulphur coal from Montana and the PRB has ventured 
>> east of
>>   > Chicago and the Mississippi River. I'm not aware of any movements 
>> into the
>>   > Northeast, but I do know of a couple to the Southeast: a BN-L&N move 
>> into
>>   > Tennessee beginning in 1972, and another over NS to a power plant 
>> near
>>   > Atlanta beginning in the 1990's. The economics of coal transport 
>> generally
>>   > does not support movement over long distances if an alternate source 
>> is
>>   > available more locally. I believe all of this coal is used in power 
>> plants
>>   > and not in steelmaking.
>>   >
>>   > Paul B
>>   >
>>   > From: "Bradley Butcher"
>> <llyengalyn_@_hotmail.com<mailto:llyengalyn@hotmail.com>>
>>   > Subject: RE: (erielack) Coal, Iron Ore and Steel
>>   >
>>   > I have wondered that as well. I the late 70's would powder river coal 
>> have
>>   > moved east on the EL? And to where?
>>   >
>>   > I must admit to some limited knowledge, I do not know of powder river 
>> coal
>>   > runs that far east right now heh. There are a lot of coal fields 
>> still in
>>   > western PA and the Virginias.
>>   >
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