RE: (erielack) Erie Cleveland modelers take note!

["Stephen Twarogowski" <stwarogowski_@_windstream.net>]

Here's a link to Cleveland State's Special Collections web page, the
Hulett's in particular.  Most shots are of the Pennsy docks.

http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/SpecColl/jwpi/index.html

This link is also from the CSU Special Collections page and is a
transcription from a 1909 journal regarding the construction of the NYPANO
ore docks.

http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/SpecColl/jwpi/index.html


Some shots from George's page:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/ops/ore2.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/ops/ore3.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/ops/ore4.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/ops/ore5.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/bldg/erie-clevdock-alb.jpg (old shot with
Huletts and Brown Hoist unloaders)

http://web.ulib.csuohio.edu/SpecColl/glihc/clevelan/p23.html (a shot from
CSU showing the Hulett's and the older Brown Hoist unloaders from the
opposite angle)

Power house and parking around the docks from George's site:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/bldg/el-edock-alb.jpg

A 1917 map showing a proposed realignment of the Cuyahoga, gives a good view
of the tracks around the river including the Erie's line from the docks
through Literary St. yard.  Pennsy's ore dock was right on the lake so the
size of the boat didn't matter; Erie's docks were on the old mouth which was
sealed off so the boats had quite a turn down the "crooked river" to get
there.

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/SpecColl/croe/images/map1917.jpg

These are also from CSU:

A boat being towed to the NYPANO docks - it is parallel with the power house
in this shot.

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/SpecColl/croe/air14.html

Erie Docks left middle with the boat in the channel, Hulett's can be made
out through some steam.

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/SpecColl/croe/air17.html

This next one gives a great view of the turns a boat had to make to get to
the dock and unload.

http://www.clevelandmemory.org/SpecColl/croe/air05.html

I think I'm finished now.

Steve












> -----Original Message-----
> From: bob gillis [mailto:robertgillis_@_verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: (erielack) Erie Cleveland modelers take note!
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> Janet & Randy Brown wrote:
> > To return to the original subject of the thread -- did the Huletts
> > load ships or unload them or both?  If unload, what was the cargo? If
> > both, what was the cargo and did ships take backloads?
>
> The Huletts would have unloaded iron ore from the Mesabe from the ships.
> I doubt the the scoops would have been able to unload a hopper car with
> coal.  If coal was a backload it would have been dumped from the cars into
> a hopper and loaded on the ships by chutes, similar to the way colliers
> were loaded at eastern and lake ports.
>
> bob gillis
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