Re: (erielack) Re: LV-D&H Trains

["Chuck Yungkurth" <raildata_@_comcast.net>]

All the info on when the LV / D&H got trackage rights to Owego is in the 
article JJ Young and I wrote for the very first issue of RAILFAN.  Also, I 
recently gave Rusty Recordon a D&H track map of Binghamton on which the 
exact date the Erie gave the D&H track rights to owego in excange for the 
Erie to switch the Moon Feed Co in Binghamton. I don't recall exactly but it 
was some time in the 1920s.

The LV never got any trackage rights on the Erie. Techncially they were 
operating as D&H trains.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Davids" <g.davids_@_verizon.net>
To: <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:03 AM
Subject: (erielack) Re: LV-D&H Trains


> Subject: Re: LV-D&H Trains; was: RE: (erielack)
>
> Chuck Yungkurth wrote:
>
> > Originally the D&H runs terminated at Owego where cars were interchanged
> > with the LV. Some time in the 1930's an arrangement was worked out with
> > the unions to allow D&H crews to run all the way to Sayre and the LV
> > crews to continue on to Binghamton, thus eliminating Owego as the
> > interchange point. For years the LV made a day time run from Sayre to
> > Binghamton and back while the D&H made a trip to Sayre and return at
> night.
>
> Somewhat OT but completes this discussion.
>
> The D&H obtained trackage rights over the LV at some time.  Perhaps the
> inducement for the TRs was the LV gaining rights to Binghamton.
>
> I went in anthracite rr and Googled  to find when the D&H got rights . I
> have struck out.
>
> If anyone there is on a D&H list would they ask there?
>
> bob gillis
> <<<<
> Bob -
>
> Pat McKnight probably has the answer to the date in LV records up to 1927 
> on that subject.  It is not mentioned in the 1923 D&H History.
>
> We should note that the D&H operated on LV, and LV operated on D&H- Erie, 
> with operating rights, not trackage rights.  The Erie extended trackage 
> rights to the D&H between Binghamton and Owego, and the D&H - LV 
> interchange was always at Owego.  LV used operating rights granted by the 
> D&H to operate over the D&H trackage rights between Owego and Binghamton, 
> and the D&H used operating rights granted by the LV to operate between 
> Owego and Sayre.
>
> It sounds confusing, but that is how the tariffs, rate divisions, trackage 
> rights payments and per diem were calculated.  The joint D&H - LV 
> operation between Binghamton and Sayre was simply an agreement between the 
> two railroads.  The labor organizations would not usually block an 
> agreement like that as long as there was some good money in it for 
> everyone.
>
> Also, regarding my earlier note on locomotive assignments, the LV had an 
> intermittent inductive automatic train stop (ATS) system, so most of their 
> locomotives into the 1960's would have been available to operate on the 
> Erie.  The systems were compatible.  The D&H also had ATS  between Albany 
> and Rouses Point until some time in the 1930's, so they could have pulled 
> equipped steam locomotives from the Saratoga Division to use on the Sayre 
> jobs.
>
> Gordon Davids
>
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