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(erielack) Re: LV-D&H Trains

Subject: Re: LV-D&H Trains; was: RE: (erielack)

Chuck Yungkurth wrote:
 
 > Originally the D&H runs terminated at Owego where cars were interchanged
 > with the LV. Some time in the 1930's an arrangement was worked out with
 > the unions to allow D&H crews to run all the way to Sayre and the LV
 > crews to continue on to Binghamton, thus eliminating Owego as the
 > interchange point. For years the LV made a day time run from Sayre to
 > Binghamton and back while the D&H made a trip to Sayre and return at 
night.

Somewhat OT but completes this discussion.

The D&H obtained trackage rights over the LV at some time.  Perhaps the
inducement for the TRs was the LV gaining rights to Binghamton.

I went in anthracite rr and Googled  to find when the D&H got rights . I
have struck out.

If anyone there is on a D&H list would they ask there?

bob gillis
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Bob -

Pat McKnight probably has the answer to the date in LV records up to 
1927 on that subject.  It is not mentioned in the 1923 D&H History.

We should note that the D&H operated on LV, and LV operated on D&H- 
Erie, with operating rights, not trackage rights.  The Erie extended 
trackage rights to the D&H between Binghamton and Owego, and the D&H - 
LV interchange was always at Owego.  LV used operating rights granted by 
the D&H to operate over the D&H trackage rights between Owego and 
Binghamton, and the D&H used operating rights granted by the LV to 
operate between Owego and Sayre.

It sounds confusing, but that is how the tariffs, rate divisions, 
trackage rights payments and per diem were calculated.  The joint D&H - 
LV operation between Binghamton and Sayre was simply an agreement 
between the two railroads.  The labor organizations would not usually 
block an agreement like that as long as there was some good money in it 
for everyone.

Also, regarding my earlier note on locomotive assignments, the LV had an 
intermittent inductive automatic train stop (ATS) system, so most of 
their locomotives into the 1960's would have been available to operate 
on the Erie.  The systems were compatible.  The D&H also had ATS  
between Albany and Rouses Point until some time in the 1930's, so they 
could have pulled equipped steam locomotives from the Saratoga Division 
to use on the Sayre jobs.

Gordon Davids

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