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Re: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos!

Thanks for the additional details, in order to provide an overview to those 
unfamiliar with s.Ontario.

Just a couple of comments, if I may:
The Canpa Sub is owned by CPR; in fact it's name is derived from 
abbreviating that company - Can Pa.

The predominance of CN handlings probably had several advantages over CP:
in the Montreal area, CN could send trains via Coteau, thus not having to 
articulate via downtown Montreal.
CP was handicapped by connector's TH&B and, more importantly,  PC, who 
probably had many crews shuffled to other areas in their own disarray.

On Day 17 of these detours, July 11/72, there were 2 final trains:
CP Extra East with E-L 3658-3642, train PO-98.
And CN 847 with 3648-3647, train TC-3.

In my photo of TC-1, ( yes, taken from the cantilever signal on the Halton 
Sub !), the trailing unit, 2523, is dead.

The train totals for CN and CP are thus :
CN eastward - 26 E-L and 2 LV
CP eastward - 18 E-L

CN westward - 15 E-L
CP westward - 14 E-L
Grand total - 75 trains

Car counts amounted to 4,391 loads and 2,927 etys, both directions, both 
Canadian roads.


Bruce Mercer
Brantford Ont

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From: "Paul Brezicki" <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net>
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<paultup_@_comcast.net>; <Smtimko@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos!


> Paul, Steve and List,
>
> Thanks for posting these, Paul, and I'll add a few comments. The photos 
> were taken at the concentration point at the west end of L Ontario where 
> several routes converge and bend tightly around the lake. The trackage 
> here is all CN, with CP having trackage rights. Both roads handled EL 
> detours, with a bias toward CN.
>
> Image 1 (F units): We're facing west at Burlington Ont; EB NY-100 is 
> diverging from the original mainline to downtown Toronto (Oakville 
> Subdivision) to the freight bypass constructed by CN around Toronto in the 
> early 1960's. This westernmost portion is the Halton Sub, which prior to 
> 1963 was a little-used branchline, originally the Hamilton & Northwestern. 
> Thereafter almost all freights took the Halton Sub to access Toronto 
> (Macmillan) Yard, leaving the Oakville Sub to passengers and a handful of 
> freights. NY-100 has just passed modest  Aldershot yard. After the second 
> day of detours, the priority TOFC trains were routed over PC between 
> Buffalo and Syracuse.
>
> Image 2 (high angle of 3612): This time we're facing east towards Toronto 
> at the same location; the Halton Sub tracks are at the bottom left, and 
> obviously the photographer is perched on the signal cantilever (try that 
> today!). CP traffic from Toronto to Ft Erie followed a more complex route 
> than CN's. From Agincourt yard, trains proceeded west on CP to the western 
> suburb of Etobicoke, then down CN's Canpa Sub to the mainline (Oakville 
> Sub), diverging to its own rails in Hamilton to reach the TH&B. Thence 
> TH&B to Welland, then Michigan Central. The regulars were two pairs of 
> trains, the Kinnear and Starlight, usually with trios of cream and brown 
> TH&B GP7's. This is the next to final detour and the last on CP. Canadian 
> roads used white flags for extras, which on CN included many time 
> freights.
>
> Image 3 (Bayview Jct): This is THE hotspot for Ontario trainwatchers. All 
> CN traffic to the west and Ft Erie, as well as CP Ft Erie trains. We are 
> several miles west of Burlington facing more or less south. That's L 
> Ontario (actually Hamilton Bay) and the high water level is in part a 
> result of the heavy rain Agnes dumped on S Ontario. In the far background 
> is the other dominant geographic feature in the area, the Niagara 
> Escarpment. Diverging to the right is the CN main to London, Sarnia and 
> Windsor; trains taking this route will soon be climbing the Escarpment. 
> The CN line to Hamilton Yd and Ft Erie is seen bending around the lake to 
> the left, while the CP route from Kinnear Yard (followed by this train) 
> diverges to the right under the highway bridge in the center background. 
> My info on this train says PN-98, 86-20.
>
> Image 4 (EL 2519): Another CP detour, TC-1 with 25-87. The cambre visible 
> on the 89' flat indicates the SeaTrain containers are empty. The Halton 
> Sub is behind the photographer.
>
> Paul B
>
> From: Paul R. Tupaczewski <paultup_@_comcast.net>
> To: 'EL Mail List' <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>
> Sent: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:59 am
> Subject: (erielack) EL Hurricane Agnes detours over CP - photos!
>
>
>
> Thanks to Steve Timko for finding and forwarding on these links to photos 
> by
> Bruce Mercer taken right after Hurrican Agnes in 1972, while the trains 
> were
> detouring over CP in southern Ontario:
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yqe5ql
>
> http://tinyurl.com/22urp7
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2cvre7
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yuuqfn
>
>
> Note the last link that shows TC-1 - with the head-end Seatrain containers
> that were usually seen on NY-98 when headed east!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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