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RE: (erielack) Perishables To Cleveland

SGL,

Larry DeYoung spells it out in the Diamond and in EL in Color Volume 1: The
West End.  The Erie crossed the NYC at Braceville on an old branch line -
Lake Erie, Alliance and Wheeling.  Erie had rights to use it to connect to
the Cleveland line at Phalanx.  NYC eventually abandoned the branch due to
lack of online business.  See Diamond Volume 20 #3 for the map on page 15
showing the connection; Vol. 20, #4 page 16 for text discussing the
connection; and EL in Color Vol. 1: The West End, page 94.

SMT (no, not Timko)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schuyler Larrabee [mailto:schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: 'EL Mail List'
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Perishables To Cleveland
>
>
> Steve's post on this ancient (in email list terms) post reminds
> me I wanted to ask something about
> the original query, which I didn't get 'round to before.  Quoting
> from below:
>
> "I know that at one time the Erie could run trains out  of the
> west (eastbound) to the NYC
> connection in Braceville, then on to the  Erie's Cleveland line."
>
> Are you saying, Rick Fleischer, this was a trackage rights
> arrangement?  Is this "common knowledge"
> or is it substantiated by records?  Not being obnoxoius, but
> looking to learn something if there is
> something to be learned.
>
> SGL
> La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Twarogowski [mailto:stwarogowski_@_windstream.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:40 AM
> > To: EL Mail List
> > Subject: RE: (erielack) Perishables To Cleveland
> >
> > A little late on this thread, and if more was discussed on
> > this earlier, I
> > missed it so I apologize if I am duplicating any replies.
> > The Northern Ohio
> > Food Terminal was on NKP tracks and according to the Nickel
> > Plate Story
> > film, the NKP handled (at the time the film was produced) 95%
> > of all inbound
> > perishable traffic into metro-Cleveland.  There is a not GP7
> > or GP9 in the
> > film, just some NKP diesel switchers and lots of Berks, if
> > that helps to
> > date the film.  It is available from Mark I Video in combo
> > with a Wabash
> > produced film.  Also, in the NKP guide to the NKP District, Buffalo to
> > Chicago, it states that the NKP brought in via road haul
> > 17,527 cars to the
> > terminal and received 1,264 from connecting lines.  The receiving and
> > holding yard had a capacity of over 800 cars for the
> > terminal.  This guide
> > was published by the NKP in 1954.  The Erie interchange
> > figures for 1953
> > printed in the book state:  NKP delivered 10,426 cars to the Erie and
> > received 3,299 (Erie to W&LE [Literary Street Yard] and NKP
> > [East 55th]
> > connections inclusive) but there is no breakdown showing if
> > the Erie had any
> > sizable contribution to the 1,264 cars destined for the Food
> > Terminal from
> > connecting roads.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Brezicki [mailto:doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:32 AM
> > > To: EL Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: (erielack) Perishables To Cleveland
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick and List,
> > >
> > > The perishable business in Cleveland was "owned" by NKP and NYC,
> > > and Erie/EL did not participate to any significant extent. The
> > > closest Ohio points mentioned in the June 1961 freight schedule
> > > is the headend block on NY-98 out of Marion: "Perishable Warren,
> > > Niles and Youngstown". The 1941 Erie schedule lists the following:
> > > Train 72: Akron Perishable and Merchandise
> > > Train 74: all Perishable Kent Ohio to Almond NY except
> > Buffalo and via
> > > 74 arrived Kent at 12:35 am, and Cleveland connection #61 didn't
> > > leave until 8 am, so obviously the schedule wasn't designed
> > > around expedited movement of perishables.
> > >
> > > Produce from the South destined for Ohio points moved via the
> > > Cincinnati gateway.
> > >
> > > Paul B
> > >
> > > Just got to thinking about the Erie/EL and the perishable
> > business to
> > > Cleveland. We know that much of the traffic moved west to east.
> > >
> > > There was at one time a pretty good sized fruit terminal in
> > > Cleveland that,
> > > I think, was on the NKP or the NYC. Did the Erie have any
> > cars going into
> > > there  that originated out west? I know that at one time the Erie
> > > could run trains
> > > out  of the west (eastbound) to the NYC connection in Braceville,
> > > then on to
> > > the  Erie's Cleveland line.
> > >
> > > OR did the Erie have any fruit going in there from the
> > east, like Fruit
> > > Growers Express out of the south east?
> > >
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > Rick Fleischer
> > > Cortland, Oh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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