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(erielack) Erie gray-green, one of the other family colors

The dark green of the ERIE passenger paint scheme is, I think, the SAME as the Northern Pacific
color.  A blind-copied person who will receive this email will advise me on that, I'm sure.

However, that person, who I know, has the official color records AND drift cards for the EMD paints.
The ERIE light color, which I call gray-green, is NOT the same as the NP light green color.  In
fact, it appears from those records that it is a completely unique (oop, unique is unique, so the
qualifier isn't necessary or correct . . .), that is, unique color among ALL the EMD-applied paints.

I have been rather informally bugging this person to issue these colors in Scalecoat for at least
five years.  He knows I'd prefer Scalecoat 1, but he's not interested in that, only Scalecoat II.
The last conversation we had about it he said he wasn't very happy with Weaver lately, and didn't
want to do any more custom colors with him (this person has had several other custom colors made in
Scalecoat.).   Who did I think he should work with?

OK, so that's where that got left.  I'll accept recommendations as to manufacturer.  Who would those
on the list interested in this color prefer?

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce! 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: joebraun_@_optonline.net [mailto:joebraun@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
> Subject: (erielack) Contrasting maroons -- and other family colors
> 
> 
> Thank you, Mike and John, for the computer color data and the 
> paint data. I hope some of 
> that can translate to model paints of all kinds. It is most 
> informative.
> 
> I am away from home and from my files and notes, so I have to 
> wing it on a couple relevant 
> questions/issues.
> 
> Randy, a couple weeks ago you threw out a quick question, 
> something like, "what about Erie 
> gray-green". The question went unresponded to but it stayed 
> with me. When I was recently 
> doing that little bit of research with the NY&GL Ry re Erie 
> yellow in response to an inquiry 
> from Schuyler, John Bezuyen mentioned to me that, when he had 
> been looking over official 
> Pullman records, the Erie through-line TTG was listed as 
> Northern Pacific Lt and Dark Greens. 
> Now I have heard it vehemently denied that NP colors were the 
> base for Erie TTG, but John 
> saw it as such in print (which says nothing still about what 
> paint was actually applied). I 
> know that any Erie light gray-green was certainly not the 
> light green of the Raymond Loewy 
> North Coast Limited: that light green was too saturated and 
> too green to be the Erie's. But 
> the NP did have a TTG passenger scheme before the Loewy one, 
> although this is rarely seen 
> in color photos, as Loewy's was the popularized color 
> dressing. Who know?
> 
> That TTG light color is a bit of a mystery and is portrayed 
> differently. I have models where it 
> is definitely a light GREEN and others where it looks more 
> like a greenish GRAY. The color is 
> variously described as light green or gray-green, depending 
> on the eyeball. I have a ConCor 
> baggage car from 20 (?) years ago that has the TTG down 
> pretty well -- but the package 
> refers to Erie Dark Green and "CREAM".
>  
> Another totally open-ended question/issue for this Brain 
> Trust -- while we navigate the 
> fascinating world of color perception -- relates to the green 
> of Erie Stillwells.  I personally 
> lay no claims whatever to knowing what that was officially, 
> although over the years I have 
> heard Pullman Green (PG) put forth as the color. Memory plays 
> tricks -- but nonetheless I do 
> not remember them as PG, but more as a somewhat warmer green 
> with a ruddy and also 
> olive tinge that direct sunlight would seem to accentuate. 
> But maybe that was also road dust. 
> Anyway, in model paints, I have found that a mix of 4 pts 
> Pullman Green with 1 pt Boxcar 
> Red (I think that was the red I used; like I said, I am away 
> from my files) yielded a Stillwell 
> color that made them look right (to me): still green but with 
> that warm side.
> 
> Joe Braun
> 
> 
> 
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