Some of the confusion between the 10/2/1 "Lake" series Pullmans and the 10/2/1 "Scenic" series is in the "2". Lake cars are 10 section/2 compartment/1 drawing room, while the Scenics are 10 section/2 double bedroom/1 drawing room. In the Lakes, the sections, indicated by the group of 5 paired windows, are at one end with the drawing room and then the compartments at the other. The Scenics have the sections (the same 5-paired-window grouping) in the middle with the drawing room at one end and the bedrooms at the other. The single vestibule is a sign of a "betterment" car -- a Pullman rebuild with larger dressing room/lavatory spaces. The Vachmann car is correct for a Scenic, and I'll bet that the Branchline car is correct for a Lake. Roof line differences would come from different treatments of the airconditioning ducts, which normally didn't appear over corridor spaces. Underbody and truck types could also differ, depending on the type of airconditioning - -- and this could vary with the time frame : ice vs. steam ejector vs. electro-mechanical. Anyway, you have a good start on one or both series. Randy Brown - -------------------------------------------------------------- Tom, On George Elwood's Fallen Flags website there are 2 photos of the Lackawanna's sleeper "SCENIC FALLS" which is a dead ringer for the Bachmann model. There is also some information below the photos regarding Erie sleepers which explains the confusion of the 10-1-2 arrangement (ie: Plan 4074 is the "SCENIC" series whereas plan 2585 (3585?) is the "LAKE" series or the Branchline car). Hope this helps, John Meck The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org To Unsubscribe: http://lists.elhts.org/erielackunsub.html ------------------------------
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