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Re: (erielack) Binghamton/Sayre Connections
Chuck is referencing the Spring 1976 issue of Railfan, which is "volume 1.,
number 6". It contains his article "The Owego Connection" and J. J. Young
Jr's article "Riding the Sharks". The cover has a nice shot of a D&H Shark
in Waverly, NY. The article provides a history of the connection,
information on the contemporary (to 1976) activity on the line, maps, and
lots of picture of all three railroads in action. One of the pictures is a
LV Pacific on the Erie Chenango River bridge and it mentions that the D&H
used 2-8-0's with LV train controls in the steam days.
I was looking for my copy to get the facts when Chuck responded to the
posting. These are two great articles covering 15 pages and providing 27
photos, and supplemented by a railfan and radio scanner guide to 1976
Binghamton. It was well worth the $1.50 I paid for it out of a stack of used
magazines at a hobby shop a few years ago.
Dan Conrad
ELHS #1974
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Yungkurth [mailto:raildata_@_comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:24 PM
> To: Schuyler Larrabee; 'Joshua'; dandh_@_yahoogroups.com;
> thevalley_@_yahoogroups.com; erielack@lists.elhts.org
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Binghamton/Sayre Connections
>
> Seems like we have been over this Owego thing many times.
>
> I have a D&H bluepint of the track arrangement around the area of the Erie
> station in binghamton. On the drawing there is a note that clearly states
> the D&H exchanged trackage rights for the Erei to switch to the Moon Feed
> Co
>
> for the right of D&H trains to run to Owego on Erie rails.
>
> JJ Young Jr and I described the whole history and operation in an article
> in
>
> the very first edition of RAILFAN magazine.
>
> Orginally the D&H only went to Owego and interchanged cars there with the
> LV. Later on an arrangment was worked out with the unions to allow LV
> crews
>
> to go from Sayre to Binghamton on the daylight run and D&H crews to make
> the
>
> run at night, although this was oftern reversed.
>
> Wheile ahving the apperance of a sleepy branchile run, the oeprations were
> part of a highle scheduled operation beween the west and New England
> points.
>
> On the daytime run the LV got cars from the NKP at Buffalo after midnight.
> They got them to the D&H at Binghamton that day and then the D&H got them
> to
>
> the B&M at Mechanicsville before midnight. Thus nither the LV or the D&H
> paid per diem on the cars.
>
> While working at IBM in Owego a few railfan buddies and I used to go into
> Owego at lunch to watch the LV train come over on to the EL. EL
> dispatchers
> were not too sympathetic.....sometimes the LV had to wait an hour or more
> to
>
> get over onto EL rail. Usually the wait was for NY99 to pass but sometimes
> congestion in Binghanton made the dispatcher have the LV wait at Owego.
>
> At any rate,it was an interesting operation and always the darling of
> locat
> railfans!
>
> Chuck Yungkurth
> Boulder CO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net>
> To: "'Joshua'" <mail_@_joshuakblay.com>; <dandh@yahoogroups.com>;
> <thevalley_@_yahoogroups.com>; <erielack@lists.elhts.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM
> Subject: RE: (erielack) Binghamton/Sayre Connections
>
>
>> Josh, first of all, I don't think Erie/EL was involved at all in this.
>>
>> This was a link between the D&H and the LV. LV, of course, had their own
>> track to Owego (was that
>> continuous, or did the use of ERIE track begin west of Owego?) which went
>> on up to Cortland, as we
>> all know.
>>
>> What I have heard from more than one source is that the agreement to
>> allow
>
>> D&H/LV interchange via
>> the ERIE tracks was a bargain struck so that the ERIE could have the
>> switching rights to Moon
>> Milling in Binghamton. The D&H owned those rights because that was D&H
>> track over there. Shipments
>> on the ERIE to Moon would get all the way to 100 yds from their
>> destination, and then have to be
>> switched into place by the D&H. Randy, no doubt, can explain how this
>> affected the distribution of
>> the money involved, but as the terminating road, D&H was getting a good
>> piece of it for doing
>> virtually no work. In order to gain that last bit of revenue, the ERIE
>> wanted to be able to switch
>> and deliver the shipments all the way. Therefore, a trade, rights to
>> switching Moon, for rights to
>> go to Sayre. I think the ERIE figured the incremental increase in
>> required track maintenance was
>> dang near zero, a rationale not applied to the operation of passenger
>> trains later on.
>>
>> One thing I've wondered is if Moon also shipped things (flour?) out as
>> well as getting grains in.
>>
>> SGL
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
>>> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Joshua
>>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:03 PM
>>> To: dandh_@_yahoogroups.com; thevalley@yahoogroups.com;
>>> erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
>>> Subject: (erielack) Binghamton/Sayre Connections
>>>
>>> Found myself wondering about the interchange jobs between Sayre and
>>> Binghamton today. I've seen D&H (and EL during the Dereco
>>> era) power in
>>> Sayre, and Valley power in Binghamton. Was this just an exclusive
>>> interchange between the LV and the D&H or was Erie/EL
>>> involved as well? Did
>>> it date back to steam days? How did it come about? I guess
>>> in some form it
>>> exists as the D&H goes out to Owego on regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua
>>> http://www.joshuakblay.com
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